Me too. That's why I don't think it will happen.BDKJMU wrote:Damn. I would love to see a months long trial where Biden, Pocahontas, Spartacus, etc couldn’t campaign, and Joe and Hunter Biden among others were called as witnesses..SeattleGriz wrote:I said it before. There will be no impeachment. Nancy can't afford a vote, nor can she survive a Republican rules Senate.
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It has never been a thing, especially since Trump released his transcripts, but the Left thinks telling us something different still makes it a thing.89Hen wrote:Is this still a thing?
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Dem cracks starting to show?
House Dem now sees no 'value' in impeachment, as polls show falling support among independents
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house- ... to-censure
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Oooohhhh...she wants to “put down a marker” to say he was bad!!!BDKJMU wrote:Dem cracks starting to show?
House Dem now sees no 'value' in impeachment, as polls show falling support among independents
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house- ... to-censure
Typical center right Dem. Paid to lose...
This is why Trump has a chance.
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This is why the election is still Trump’s to lose.kalm wrote:Oooohhhh...she wants to “put down a marker” to say he was bad!!!BDKJMU wrote:Dem cracks starting to show?
House Dem now sees no 'value' in impeachment, as polls show falling support among independents
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house- ... to-censure
Typical center right Dem. Paid to lose...
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Meh. I think it was worth an investigation. Private interviews with witnesses to see if anything was there. But the public hearings were a joke. You have to be a complete moron to let witness after witness give public testimony of nothing.SeattleGriz wrote:It has never been a thing, especially since Trump released his transcripts, but the Left thinks telling us something different still makes it a thing.89Hen wrote:Is this still a thing?
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Well which is it? Did he "secretly" go to the Ukraine, or did he scrap his trip and not go?
I'm confused by the mainstream media and their lack of clarity in regards to Nunes.
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I was wondering the same thing.SeattleGriz wrote:Well which is it? Did he "secretly" go to the Ukraine, or did he scrap his trip and not go?
I'm confused by the mainstream media and their lack of clarity in regards to Nunes.
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So, it's not about whether the shit he did was actually impeachable....it's about whether there's "value" in impeaching him....and because there is now "declining support" for impeachment, they may not want to pursue it, regardless of what he did. I swear, their priorities are so fucked up its beyond belief.BDKJMU wrote:Dem cracks starting to show?
House Dem now sees no 'value' in impeachment, as polls show falling support among independents
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house- ... to-censure
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So Nunes met with Shokin and then cancelled another meeting The next year once he realized Schiff would find out.CAA Flagship wrote:I was wondering the same thing.SeattleGriz wrote:
Well which is it? Did he "secretly" go to the Ukraine, or did he scrap his trip and not go?
I'm confused by the mainstream media and their lack of clarity in regards to Nunes.
Perhaps Nunes should be forced to, you know, set the record straight.
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I think he said he would set the record straight, when he takes CNN and Dailybeast to court.kalm wrote:So Nunes met with Shokin and then cancelled another meeting The next year once he realized Schiff would find out.CAA Flagship wrote: I was wondering the same thing.
Perhaps Nunes should be forced to, you know, set the record straight.
CNN will probably have to fire three more employees like they had to over Mooch.
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Or he could just testify under oath at the hearings.SeattleGriz wrote:I think he said he would set the record straight, when he takes CNN and Dailybeast to court.kalm wrote:
So Nunes met with Shokin and then cancelled another meeting The next year once he realized Schiff would find out.
Perhaps Nunes should be forced to, you know, set the record straight.
CNN will probably have to fire three more employees like they had to over Mooch.
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So could Schiff, but you don't seem too worried about him...eh Comrade?kalm wrote:Or he could just testify under oath at the hearings.SeattleGriz wrote:
I think he said he would set the record straight, when he takes CNN and Dailybeast to court.
CNN will probably have to fire three more employees like they had to over Mooch.
Nunes already set his path to making CNN fire more liars from their staff. He'll be under oath at that trial I assume.
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What's Trump's conspiracy theory? Is it that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election against Trump?
I keep hearing that phrase. Conspiracy theory.
I keep hearing that phrase. Conspiracy theory.
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Yeas, that’s it after multiple agencies including the Republican led House all agree it was the Russians.SeattleGriz wrote:What's Trump's conspiracy theory? Is it that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election against Trump?
I keep hearing that phrase. Conspiracy theory.
Are you suggesting the Republicans got it wrong? If they got that wrong, what else are they getting wrong?
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What's debunked about Ukraine trying to help Hillary and harm Trump?Ibanez wrote:Yeas, that’s it after multiple agencies including the Republican led House all agree it was the Russians.SeattleGriz wrote:What's Trump's conspiracy theory? Is it that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election against Trump?
I keep hearing that phrase. Conspiracy theory.
Are you suggesting the Republicans got it wrong? If they got that wrong, what else are they getting wrong?
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So this 2017 Politico story is fake news?
Separately, how do they know it's the Russians if the FBI never got to examine the server?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton
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are you suggesting that the Obama and Trump Administrations and House Republicans are all wrong?SeattleGriz wrote:What's debunked about Ukraine trying to help Hillary and harm Trump?Ibanez wrote: Yeas, that’s it after multiple agencies including the Republican led House all agree it was the Russians.
Are you suggesting the Republicans got it wrong? If they got that wrong, what else are they getting wrong?
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So this 2017 Politico story is fake news?
Separately, how do they know it's the Russians if the FBI never got to examine the server?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton
I’ve asked you questions which you flat out ignore or refuse to answer.
do your homework. There’s a great article in Wired about how the Russians were caught.
Spoiler alert - they were dumb enough to not cover their track.
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I should also ask, what’s been proven about Ukraine and 2016? Nothing. Because it wasn’t them.SeattleGriz wrote:What's debunked about Ukraine trying to help Hillary and harm Trump?Ibanez wrote: Yeas, that’s it after multiple agencies including the Republican led House all agree it was the Russians.
Are you suggesting the Republicans got it wrong? If they got that wrong, what else are they getting wrong?
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So this 2017 Politico story is fake news?
Separately, how do they know it's the Russians if the FBI never got to examine the server?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton
Unless you’re saying 2 administrations and a Republican committee are all so inept that they each got it wrong.
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The guy who hadn't seen the Joe Biden tape telling someone to do their homework! Good one dude.Ibanez wrote:are you suggesting that the Obama and Trump Administrations and House Republicans are all wrong?SeattleGriz wrote:
What's debunked about Ukraine trying to help Hillary and harm Trump?
So this 2017 Politico story is fake news?
Separately, how do they know it's the Russians if the FBI never got to examine the server?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446
I’ve asked you questions which you flat out ignore or refuse to answer.
do your homework. There’s a great article in Wired about how the Russians were caught.
Spoiler alert - they were dumb enough to not cover their track.
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I'm suggesting, like Roger Stone did, but have not seen definitive proof that it was proven the DNC was hacked by the Russians. That was what I was asking about. Was whatever Crowdstrike provided, enough?
If you don't know the answer, that is fine. I just can't find any definitive articles that have backed up Crowdstrikes redacted draft of a report the FBI accepted as proof.
As for the Russians getting caught, there are plenty of articles drawing skepticism that the Russians we're good enough to hack, but were too stupid to cover their tracks.
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Why is it an either/or scenario? If the Ukrainians tried to help Hillary, that doesn't mean the Russians had to stop everything.Ibanez wrote:I should also ask, what’s been proven about Ukraine and 2016? Nothing. Because it wasn’t them.SeattleGriz wrote:
What's debunked about Ukraine trying to help Hillary and harm Trump?
So this 2017 Politico story is fake news?
Separately, how do they know it's the Russians if the FBI never got to examine the server?
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/ ... ire-233446
Unless you’re saying 2 administrations and a Republican committee are all so inept that they each got it wrong.
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I don't think anyone is disputing the Russians acts were bigger. The Politico article even mentions that, but still points to DNC people trying to dig up dirt on people associated with Trump.
By the way, how's that Concord case going?
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Jeez this has always been much ado about nothing
The Russians didn’t affect the elections and an increasing number of studies back that up
And here’s the thing: that was never the Russians’ intention. It never has been. Russia’s intent in meddling in our elections is to create dissension and lower confidence in our institutions. And in that respect, it could be argued that they were wildly successful this time... with a BIG assist from US media and both political parties. If not for that, it would have just been their usual meddling to no effect
Less known (right now) but much more insidious is China’s interference
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The Russians didn’t affect the elections and an increasing number of studies back that up
And here’s the thing: that was never the Russians’ intention. It never has been. Russia’s intent in meddling in our elections is to create dissension and lower confidence in our institutions. And in that respect, it could be argued that they were wildly successful this time... with a BIG assist from US media and both political parties. If not for that, it would have just been their usual meddling to no effect
Less known (right now) but much more insidious is China’s interference
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All I am looking for is if anyone knows how the FBI determined the Russians hacked the DNC server? Supposedly a system image was given to them by the DNC. Is that enough to determine everything that was said about the hack?CID1990 wrote:Jeez this has always been much ado about nothing
The Russians didn’t affect the elections and an increasing number of studies back that up
And here’s the thing: that was never the Russians’ intention. It never has been. Russia’s intent in meddling in our elections is to create dissension and lower confidence in our institutions. And in that respect, it could be argued that they were wildly successful this time... with a BIG assist from US media and both political parties. If not for that, it would have just been their usual meddling to no effect
Less known (right now) but much more insidious is China’s interference
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I thought the issue was going to be answered when Roger Stone tried to use the fact the FBI never got to physically look at the server, to get his case dismissed, but I never found any articles refuting his claim. Just the judge not allowing that defense.
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CID1990 wrote:Jeez this has always been much ado about nothing
The Russians didn’t affect the elections and an increasing number of studies back that up
And here’s the thing: that was never the Russians’ intention. It never has been. Russia’s intent in meddling in our elections is to create dissension and lower confidence in our institutions. And in that respect, it could be argued that they were wildly successful this time... with a BIG assist from US media and both political parties. If not for that, it would have just been their usual meddling to no effect
Less known (right now) but much more insidious is China’s interference
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Yup. The impeachment has totally imploded, but anyone with a clue knew there was nothing there from the jump. This was all about not having a candidate capable of beating Trump in 2020.AZGrizFan wrote:So, it's not about whether the shit he did was actually impeachable....it's about whether there's "value" in impeaching him....and because there is now "declining support" for impeachment, they may not want to pursue it, regardless of what he did. I swear, their priorities are so fucked up its beyond belief.BDKJMU wrote:Dem cracks starting to show?
House Dem now sees no 'value' in impeachment, as polls show falling support among independents
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