The Trump Whistleblower Extravaganza Thread

[SeattleGriz]

In the two days before President Trump forced out the American ambassador to Ukraine in April, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was on the phone with the White House more than a dozen times.

Phone records cited in the impeachment report released Tuesday by the House Intelligence Committee illustrate the sprawling reach of Mr. Giuliani’s campaign first to remove the ambassador, Marie L. Yovanovitch, then to force Ukraine’s new government to announce criminal investigations for Mr. Trump’s political gain.

That effort accelerated through the spring and summer into a full-court press to force Ukraine’s new president to accede to Mr. Trump’s wishes or risk losing $391 million in military assistance desperately needed to hold off Russian-led forces waging a separatist war in eastern Ukraine.

From March 26 to Aug. 8, as he developed an irregular foreign policy channel that eventually sidelined both National Security Council and State Department aides, Mr. Giuliani — who is not a government employee — was in touch with top-ranking officials, the newly revealed call records suggested.

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He reached out to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; the national security adviser at the time, John R. Bolton; Representative Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the intelligence committee itself; midlevel White House officials; the Fox News host Sean Hannity; a conservative columnist; an associate who has been charged in a scheme related to Ms. Yovanovitch’s ouster; and the owner of a mysterious number, “-1.”

Investigators are trying to determine whether the unidentified phone number belongs to Mr. Trump, said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California, who leads the House Intelligence Committee. If so, the phone calls with Mr. Giuliani could be further evidence of the president’s direct involvement in the Ukraine affair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/p ... lls-1.html

ZZzzzz. Dude. Rudy admitted all this when he first came out. Now whether you believe him or not is your prerogative, but when one guy pretty much outlines all the subsequent stories, I tend to believe he told the truth in the first place.

This is all going to come back and spectacularly fail on you again.

[AZGrizFan]

So, it's not about whether the shit he did was actually impeachable....it's about whether there's "value" in impeaching him....and because there is now "declining support" for impeachment, they may not want to pursue it, regardless of what he did. I swear, their priorities are so fucked up its beyond belief.

Why doesn't the admin just put an end to all this by testifying? It would be over next week.

Read my post again. Maybe then you’ll get it.

Then again....probably not.

[CAA Flagship]

In the two days before President Trump forced out the American ambassador to Ukraine in April, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was on the phone with the White House more than a dozen times.

Phone records cited in the impeachment report released Tuesday by the House Intelligence Committee illustrate the sprawling reach of Mr. Giuliani’s campaign first to remove the ambassador, Marie L. Yovanovitch, then to force Ukraine’s new government to announce criminal investigations for Mr. Trump’s political gain.

That effort accelerated through the spring and summer into a full-court press to force Ukraine’s new president to accede to Mr. Trump’s wishes or risk losing $391 million in military assistance desperately needed to hold off Russian-led forces waging a separatist war in eastern Ukraine.

From March 26 to Aug. 8, as he developed an irregular foreign policy channel that eventually sidelined both National Security Council and State Department aides, Mr. Giuliani — who is not a government employee — was in touch with top-ranking officials, the newly revealed call records suggested.

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He reached out to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo; the national security adviser at the time, John R. Bolton; Representative Devin Nunes, the top Republican on the intelligence committee itself; midlevel White House officials; the Fox News host Sean Hannity; a conservative columnist; an associate who has been charged in a scheme related to Ms. Yovanovitch’s ouster; and the owner of a mysterious number, “-1.”

Investigators are trying to determine whether the unidentified phone number belongs to Mr. Trump, said Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California, who leads the House Intelligence Committee. If so, the phone calls with Mr. Giuliani could be further evidence of the president’s direct involvement in the Ukraine affair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/03/us/p ... lls-1.html

I don't understand the relevance of the Sign Up stuff in this article.

[houndawg]

They had one that beat him by 3,000,000 votes and another one that would have beaten him even worse.

We use electoral votes in this country for Presidential elections, your civics classes in school back in the '50's should have told you this.

fake news, we use gamed voting machines.

[GannonFan]

We use electoral votes in this country for Presidential elections, your civics classes in school back in the '50's should have told you this.

fake news, we use gamed voting machines.

Not anymore, I'm filling out a paper form now with a sharpie. It bleeds through to the other side of the paper but they got real fancy and made sure nothing on the front would line up with anything on the back. Besides, everyone on here named Skelly said before the last election that rigging an election was impossible, our voting system was sancrosanct.

[Skjellyfetti]

Besides, everyone on here named Skelly said before the last election that rigging an election was impossible, our voting system was sancrosanct.

Yeah, I've never said that. I've said in person voter fraud is rare. This has nothing to do with that.

[Col Hogan]

Jerry Nader gets another turn at shooting the Democrats in the foot...he’s already had a turn with the Mueller Hearings...today they start with Constitutional “experts” to build the case for impeachment...

Really, the only question now is what new way will Mr. Nadler find to humiliate himself and mortify his party? Opening testimony this week will be supplied by a panel of Woke constitutional law professors who will attempt to tease out some hermeneutic legal basis for an impeachment other than actual misdeeds. They’ll surely settle on thought-crime, since there is nothing else. Whose idea was it to hit the snooze button just as the curtain goes up on the show?

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/death-wish/

[Ivytalk]

Jerry Nader gets another turn at shooting the Democrats in the foot...he’s already had a turn with the Mueller Hearings...today they start with Constitutional “experts” to build the case for impeachment...

Really, the only question now is what new way will Mr. Nadler find to humiliate himself and mortify his party? Opening testimony this week will be supplied by a panel of Woke constitutional law professors who will attempt to tease out some hermeneutic legal basis for an impeachment other than actual misdeeds. They’ll surely settle on thought-crime, since there is nothing else. Whose idea was it to hit the snooze button just as the curtain goes up on the show?

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/death-wish/

I’ve heard of William Kunstler, but I’ve never heard of this dude.

[Col Hogan]

Jerry Nader gets another turn at shooting the Democrats in the foot...he’s already had a turn with the Mueller Hearings...today they start with Constitutional “experts” to build the case for impeachment...



https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/death-wish/

I’ve heard of William Kunstler, but I’ve never heard of this dude.

James Howard Kunstler says he wrote The Geography of Nowhere, “Because I believe a lot of people share my feelings about the tragic landscape of highway strips, parking lots, housing tracts, mega-malls, junked cities, and ravaged countryside that makes up the everyday environment where most Americans live and work.”

Home From Nowhere was a continuation of that discussion with an emphasis on the remedies. A portion of it appeared as the cover story in the September 1996 Atlantic Monthly.

His next book in the series, The City in Mind: Notes on the Urban Condition, published by Simon & Schuster / Free Press, is a look a wide-ranging look at cities here and abroad, an inquiry into what makes them great (or miserable), and in particular what America is going to do with it’s mutilated cities.

This was followed by The Long Emergency, published by the Atlantic Monthly Press in 2005, is about the challenges posed by the coming permanent global oil crisis, climate change, and other “converging catastrophes of the 21st Century.” This was followed in 2012 by Too Much Magic: Wishful Thinking, Technology, and the Fate of the Nation which detailed the misplaced expectations that technological rescue remedies would fix the problems detailed in The Long Emergency.

His 2008 novel, World Made By Hand, was a fictional depiction of the post-oil American future. It eventually became a four part series that included The Witch of Hebron, A History of the Future, and (forthcoming in June 2016), The Harrows of Spring.

Mr. Kunstler is also the author of eight other novels including The Halloween Ball, An Embarrassment of Richesand Maggie Darling, a Modern Romance. He has been a regular contributor to the New York Times Sunday Magazine and Op-Ed page, where he has written on environmental and economic issues.

Mr. Kunstler was born in New York City in 1948. He moved to the Long Island suburbs in 1954 and returned to the city in 1957 where he spent most of his childhood. He graduated from the State University of New York, Brockport campus, worked as a reporter and feature writer for a number of newspapers, and finally as a staff writer forRolling Stone Magazine. In 1975, he dropped out to write books on a full-time basis. He has no formal training in architecture or the related design fields.

He has lectured at Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Dartmouth, Cornell, MIT, RPI, the University of Virginia and many other colleges, and he has appeared before many professional organizations such as the AIA , the APA., and the National Trust for Historic Preservation.

He lives in Washington County, upstate New York.

https://kunstler.com/about/

[93henfan]

Jerry Nader gets another turn at shooting the Democrats in the foot...he’s already had a turn with the Mueller Hearings...today they start with Constitutional “experts” to build the case for impeachment...

Really, the only question now is what new way will Mr. Nadler find to humiliate himself and mortify his party? Opening testimony this week will be supplied by a panel of Woke constitutional law professors who will attempt to tease out some hermeneutic legal basis for an impeachment other than actual misdeeds. They’ll surely settle on thought-crime, since there is nothing else. Whose idea was it to hit the snooze button just as the curtain goes up on the show?

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/death-wish/

The dyke liberal jew cunt professor they rolled out from Stanford went after Barron Trump today. Classy broad. Yeah, she had no agenda.

These dems just can't help themselves. They're comically bad.

[BDKJMU]

[Ibanez]

Jerry Nader gets another turn at shooting the Democrats in the foot...he’s already had a turn with the Mueller Hearings...today they start with Constitutional “experts” to build the case for impeachment...



https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/death-wish/

The dyke liberal jew cunt professor they rolled out from Stanford went after Barron Trump today. Classy broad. Yeah, she had no agenda.

These dems just can't help themselves. They're comically bad.

I didn't take it that way but I can see where it could be taken as an attack. In the words of my former Representative, " Get Over It."

Yesterday played out as expected. Both sides claiming victory and not moving the needle. Nadler did a good job of reminding everyone at one point that if the White House had shown up, they would have 45-minutes to ask questions.

I think the Ukraine business is shady but not enough hard evidence to prove impeachment.

Obstruction of Justice is obvious. Republicans impeached Clinton over obstruction.

[Ibanez]

So...you attack his size b/c you can't refute anything else?

My 12 yr old nephew does the same thing.


And it's not like Trump isn't fat himself. SO..what is your point BDKKK?

[GannonFan]

The dyke liberal jew cunt professor they rolled out from Stanford went after Barron Trump today. Classy broad. Yeah, she had no agenda.

These dems just can't help themselves. They're comically bad.

I didn't take it that way but I can see where it could be taken as an attack. In the words of my former Representative, " Get Over It."

Yesterday played out as expected. Both sides claiming victory and not moving the needle. Nadler did a good job of reminding everyone at one point that if the White House had shown up, they would have 45-minutes to ask questions.

I think the Ukraine business is shady but not enough hard evidence to prove impeachment.

Obstruction of Justice is obvious. Republicans impeached Clinton over obstruction.

I think they had to have Pelosi announce the decision to draft impeachment stuff today - they couldn't repeat another day like they had yesterday. I don't see how they thought bringing in relatively left-leaning college professors, with a history of active support of Democratic candidates and a track record of antipathy towards Republicans, was going to go over well on either TV or social media. I think 93's right, the Dems sometimes are so tone deaf on the culture debate that they are their own worst enemies. JSO is the perfect example of this and the idea that you just can't sustain 4 years of outrage all the time for that long - eventually, it all starts to be just noise and no one pays attention to the outrage.

I still see this as a plus for Trump in the long term - again, he's in the news every single cycle, and Dems are left desperately trying to get air in the press. Trump's base will vote for him no matter what, and now they're going to have a year of impeachment drama in the leadup to the election to get even more motivated. There isn't a fantastic Dem candidate to rally around, so any pent up frustration that will come to be after Trump is acquitted in the Senate won't amount to much. The winds are clearly in his sails right now for a second term, especially as impeachment starts to fizzle out. I think Trump winning a second term is even more unbelievable than him winning in the first place, but you have to hand it to the Dems, they can't seem to get out of their own way.

[CID1990]

Jerry Nader gets another turn at shooting the Democrats in the foot...he’s already had a turn with the Mueller Hearings...today they start with Constitutional “experts” to build the case for impeachment...



https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/death-wish/

The dyke liberal jew cunt professor they rolled out from Stanford went after Barron Trump today. Classy broad. Yeah, she had no agenda.

These dems just can't help themselves. They're comically bad.

Her answers were obviously rehearsed - she had the questions in advance, even her indignant response to having her expertise questioned.

She would have been more credible if she had been off the cuff but as it is she just came across as a partisan with an agenda

They called a bunch of experts to try to convince the population at large to not punish them at the ballot box for impeaching Trump. Good luck with that one


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[89Hen]

Is this still a thing?

[Winterborn]

I think they had to have Pelosi announce the decision to draft impeachment stuff today - they couldn't repeat another day like they had yesterday. I don't see how they thought bringing in relatively left-leaning college professors, with a history of active support of Democratic candidates and a track record of antipathy towards Republicans, was going to go over well on either TV or social media. I think 93's right, the Dems sometimes are so tone deaf on the culture debate that they are their own worst enemies. JSO is the perfect example of this and the idea that you just can't sustain 4 years of outrage all the time for that long - eventually, it all starts to be just noise and no one pays attention to the outrage.

Completely anecdotal, but based on some of the FB comments I have seen made and people I have talked to, the Dems have the imagine of coastal/rich elites that are out of touch with the people who actually get their hands dirty for a living and are upset that the people voted an "outsider" like Trump in. The comments the Dems have been making, Hillary's deplorable comment and others, show what they truly think of the average person and any attempt otherwise comes across as fake and self-serving.

The way the Dems have been bungling around about this issue and others, plus the topics and ideas that the candidates have brought forth have not helped to change peoples mindset on the matter.

[Ibanez]

I didn't take it that way but I can see where it could be taken as an attack. In the words of my former Representative, " Get Over It."

Yesterday played out as expected. Both sides claiming victory and not moving the needle. Nadler did a good job of reminding everyone at one point that if the White House had shown up, they would have 45-minutes to ask questions.

I think the Ukraine business is shady but not enough hard evidence to prove impeachment.

Obstruction of Justice is obvious. Republicans impeached Clinton over obstruction.

I think they had to have Pelosi announce the decision to draft impeachment stuff today - they couldn't repeat another day like they had yesterday. I don't see how they thought bringing in relatively left-leaning college professors, with a history of active support of Democratic candidates and a track record of antipathy towards Republicans, was going to go over well on either TV or social media. I think 93's right, the Dems sometimes are so tone deaf on the culture debate that they are their own worst enemies. JSO is the perfect example of this and the idea that you just can't sustain 4 years of outrage all the time for that long - eventually, it all starts to be just noise and no one pays attention to the outrage.

I still see this as a plus for Trump in the long term - again, he's in the news every single cycle, and Dems are left desperately trying to get air in the press. Trump's base will vote for him no matter what, and now they're going to have a year of impeachment drama in the leadup to the election to get even more motivated. There isn't a fantastic Dem candidate to rally around, so any pent up frustration that will come to be after Trump is acquitted in the Senate won't amount to much. The winds are clearly in his sails right now for a second term, especially as impeachment starts to fizzle out. I think Trump winning a second term is even more unbelievable than him winning in the first place, but you have to hand it to the Dems, they can't seem to get out of their own way.

I mostly agree.When it comes to the optics of this, the Dems screwed it.

The Republicans aren't helping themselves with conspiracy theories, their situational ethics and hypocrisy.

We deserve this...Lady Graham from SC was right.

[89Hen]

We deserve this

We the country...

[HI54UNI]

Is this still a thing?

Using Jelly's brilliant Russia thread as precedent we still have at least 133 pages to go.

[Ivytalk]

Jerry Nader gets another turn at shooting the Democrats in the foot...he’s already had a turn with the Mueller Hearings...today they start with Constitutional “experts” to build the case for impeachment...



https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/death-wish/

The dyke liberal jew cunt professor they rolled out from Stanford

I’ll take Judiciary Committee Impeachment witnesses for $200, Alex.

[CAA Flagship]

The dyke liberal jew cunt professor they rolled out from Stanford

I’ll take Judiciary Committee Impeachment witnesses for $200, Alex.

Nobody paints a picture like 93.

[CID1990]

Tick tock

Tick tock

Still no subpoenas for Bolton, et al

Hey Reek.... I thought the McGahn decision was going to shake this loose?


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[BDKJMU]

So...you attack his size b/c you can't refute anything else?

My 12 yr old nephew does the same thing.

And it's not like Trump isn't fat himself. SO..what is your point BDKKK?

Nothing wrong with being fat.
Trump is fat. I personally know plenty of fat people. None of them hike their pants up to their chest....

[89Hen]