The Trump Whistleblower Extravaganza Thread

[UNI88]

The influence of public sector unions is just as insidious as corporate money.

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I've always agreed with this, but I'm guessing the amount ($'s) is less considering 7% of non public workers are represented now. But you'll find that the progressives in the party are in favor of getting all money including union money out of politics.

It's not just money. There is an inherent conflict of interest in public sector unions. The unions support with money and volunteers the candidates who influence their pay and benefits. 20+ years ago public sector jobs were considered low paying, low stress with excellent benefits. I believe they've caught up with the private sector on pay, have better benefits but there hasn't been a corresponding increase in productivity.

It's an example of the left and right bitching about similar things but not really wanting change.

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[Ibanez]

Lindsey Graham...what a POS.

When asked if it was appropriate for him to be voicing his opinion before impeachment reaches the Senate, Graham replied, "Well, I must think so because I'm doing it."
"I am trying to give a pretty clear signal I have made up my mind. I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here," Graham said, adding, "What I see coming, happening today is just a partisan nonsense."

I'm not sure you can say something is "partisan nonsense" and then say you're going to be partisan and not objective in response.

[kalm]

I've always agreed with this, but I'm guessing the amount ($'s) is less considering 7% of non public workers are represented now. But you'll find that the progressives in the party are in favor of getting all money including union money out of politics.

It's not just money. There is an inherent conflict of interest in public sector unions. The unions support with money and volunteers the candidates who influence their pay and benefits. 20+ years ago public sector jobs were considered low paying, low stress with excellent benefits. I believe they've caught up with the private sector on pay, have better benefits but there hasn't been a corresponding increase in productivity.

It's an example of the left and right bitching about similar things but not really wanting change.

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But it’s still really about the money.

I’m not a big union guy. I think an employer owes you a check and you have an opportunity to work or the right to leave. (Gross conklike oversimplification alert.)

[UNI88]

It's not just money. There is an inherent conflict of interest in public sector unions. The unions support with money and volunteers the candidates who influence their pay and benefits. 20+ years ago public sector jobs were considered low paying, low stress with excellent benefits. I believe they've caught up with the private sector on pay, have better benefits but there hasn't been a corresponding increase in productivity.

It's an example of the left and right bitching about similar things but not really wanting change.

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But it’s still really about the money.

I’m not a big union guy. I think an employer owes you a check and you have an opportunity to work or the right to leave. (Gross conklike oversimplification alert.)

Would you be willing to outlaw public sector unions in exchange for removing corporate personhood? You might but I don't think the Donks or Conks would make that compromise.

[BDKJMU]

Lindsey Graham...what a POS.

When asked if it was appropriate for him to be voicing his opinion before impeachment reaches the Senate, Graham replied, "Well, I must think so because I'm doing it."
"I am trying to give a pretty clear signal I have made up my mind. I'm not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here," Graham said, adding, "What I see coming, happening today is just a partisan nonsense."

I'm not sure you can say something is "partisan nonsense" and then say you're going to be partisan and not objective in response.

Of course this whole shampeachment is partisan nonsense. Anyone who said they were going to be non partisan in response would be lying. So your senator is telling the truth here..

[Ibanez]

Lindsey Graham...what a POS.



I'm not sure you can say something is "partisan nonsense" and then say you're going to be partisan and not objective in response.

Of course this whole shampeachment is partisan nonsense. Anyone who said they were going to be non partisan in response would be lying. So your senator is telling the truth here..

I know. He’s a hypocrite. They all are. The RINOs are as bad as the Dems. Btw, love how the RINOs bitched about fairness and then say they will break their oaths to be impartial. It’s pathetic.


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[SeattleGriz]

Hoodwinked by Fraud Guarantee...

Im more interested in the 3rd Temple.

[Ivytalk]

Of course this whole shampeachment is partisan nonsense. Anyone who said they were going to be non partisan in response would be lying. So your senator is telling the truth here..

I know. He’s a hypocrite. They all are. The RINOs are as bad as the Dems. Btw, love how the RINOs bitched about fairness and then say they will break their oaths to be impartial. It’s pathetic.


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Yeah, Mr. Left-Leaner. Schumer and company are already voting for guilty. They say they want Mulvaney and Bolton and Rudy to testify, but they don’t give an Adam Schitt. Pious frauds.

[Ibanez]

I know. He’s a hypocrite. They all are. The RINOs are as bad as the Dems. Btw, love how the RINOs bitched about fairness and then say they will break their oaths to be impartial. It’s pathetic.


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Yeah, Mr. Left-Leaner. Schumer and company are already voting for guilty. They say they want Mulvaney and Bolton and Rudy to testify, but they don’t give an Adam Schitt. Pious frauds.

Did you miss where I wrote they’re all hypocrites? They all suck. 535 members of Congress and every single one is a partisan hack. Beholden you’re party over country. They serve only the people that voted for them. I’d love to hear what Bolton has to say and I’m sure the other two would lie through their teeth for Trump.


I get that a D or R is going to protect their majority or want to get out of the minority. I’m not that naive to think they should be bipartisan on every thing.

And I do lean left on some issues, nothing wrong with that. I lean right on many others.


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[Ivytalk]

Yeah, Mr. Left-Leaner. Schumer and company are already voting for guilty. They say they want Mulvaney and Bolton and Rudy to testify, but they don’t give an Adam Schitt. Pious frauds.

Did you miss where I wrote they’re all hypocrites? They all suck. 535 members of Congress and every single one is a partisan hack. Beholden you’re party over country. They serve only the people that voted for them. I’d love to hear what Bolton has to say and I’m sure the other two would lie through their teeth for Trump.


I get that a D or R is going to protect their majority or want to get out of the minority. I’m not that naive to think they should be bipartisan on every thing.

And I do lean left on some issues, nothing wrong with that. I lean right on many others.


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You don’t lean right on much.

UNI88 and Ganny : centrists FTW

[Ibanez]

Did you miss where I wrote they’re all hypocrites? They all suck. 535 members of Congress and every single one is a partisan hack. Beholden you’re party over country. They serve only the people that voted for them. I’d love to hear what Bolton has to say and I’m sure the other two would lie through their teeth for Trump.


I get that a D or R is going to protect their majority or want to get out of the minority. I’m not that naive to think they should be bipartisan on every thing.

And I do lean left on some issues, nothing wrong with that. I lean right on many others.


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You don’t lean right on much.

UNI88 and Ganny : centrists FTW

AZ and I went through this routine a month ago and we pretty much agree on everything. I grew up conservative Catholic. I think of myself as a centrist. I'm definitely independent. I've voted for both parties, and for 3rd parties. I don't follow a certain political party or ideology. I definitely haven't joined the cult of personality. I honestly do not recall Democrats, en masse, blindly following or defending Obama the "Right" defends Trump. On both sides, it's all about winning, not governing. It's all about what's best for me and my reelection, not my district or state.

Regarding Impeachment - I don't think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump has done something impeachable with respects to Ukraine. He talks in hyperbole and his speeches/responses are often nonsensical. He builds himself up and it's apparent that he doesn't understand how to speak without screwing yourself. He's a shady, POS but I'm not convinced he's guilty of the 1st charge. On the 2nd charge, I do think he's guilty. His own words have proven he's obstructed Congress in their pursuit of oversight - warranted or not. The Democrats should've shut up people like Waters who have been clamoring for impeachment since Day 1. They should've sent subpoenas for Bolton, Rudy and Mick and waited for that to come through before going through this process. The Republicans should've had the integrity to let the process play out. It think it's obvious by their attacks on the witnesses and the process and offering no defense of Trumps actions that they're trying to deflect and confuse who ever is watching. And now you have Mitch and others saying that they'll be impartial jurors. Correct me please, but wouldn't that talk get a juror thrown out of any other court? Both sides are messed up this process. Both sides are hyper-partisan and hypocritical for calling out the other for it.

Off the top of my head,here's where I stand on some issues.

Taxes: We're taxed enough. Cut spending. Nobody will - in fact the debt has grown more in Trumps 1st term than in Obama's.

Abortion: It's a tough one but it should be done accessible and done ASAP. None of this late term stuff.

Education - Set national standards but leave it up the states to decide how to meet those standards. Get the government out of the student loan business.

Regulation - regulate companies just enough to keep consumers safe, and the water and air clean

Defense - REDUCE IT. We spend way too much on crap we don't need. Bases, weapons systems, vehicles, antiquated tech.

Gay Marriage - let them get married. the government shouldn't be in the business of love. But since they are and they provide a benefit to hetero couples, the same should apply to gays.

LGTBAEIOEORU*(#Y Rights - Gays, Trans, etc... should be treated equally in matters like getting a loan or hiring practices. But, do not expect me to magically know that you self identify as a unicorn and go by a pronoun. It's fucking ridiculous.

2A - Amend it or STFU. If we need stricter laws to ensure mentally ill/dangerous people can't access them then I think that's good. But...Amend it or STFU.

Religious Freedom - practice what you want, just leave me the hell alone.

[kalm]

Did you miss where I wrote they’re all hypocrites? They all suck. 535 members of Congress and every single one is a partisan hack. Beholden you’re party over country. They serve only the people that voted for them. I’d love to hear what Bolton has to say and I’m sure the other two would lie through their teeth for Trump.


I get that a D or R is going to protect their majority or want to get out of the minority. I’m not that naive to think they should be bipartisan on every thing.

And I do lean left on some issues, nothing wrong with that. I lean right on many others.


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You don’t lean right on much.

UNI88 and Ganny : centrists FTW

Famous left learners...

Orwell
Smith
Einstein
Locke
Teddy Roosevelt
Jesus
Division One Boy

Liberals FTW.

[HI54UNI]

You don’t lean right on much.

UNI88 and Ganny : centrists FTW

AZ and I went through this routine a month ago and we pretty much agree on everything. I grew up conservative Catholic. I think of myself as a centrist. I'm definitely independent. I've voted for both parties, and for 3rd parties. I don't follow a certain political party or ideology. I definitely haven't joined the cult of personality. I honestly do not recall Democrats, en masse, blindly following or defending Obama the "Right" defends Trump. On both sides, it's all about winning, not governing. It's all about what's best for me and my reelection, not my district or state.

Regarding Impeachment - I don't think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump has done something impeachable with respects to Ukraine. He talks in hyperbole and his speeches/responses are often nonsensical. He builds himself up and it's apparent that he doesn't understand how to speak without screwing yourself. He's a shady, POS but I'm not convinced he's guilty of the 1st charge. On the 2nd charge, I do think he's guilty. His own words have proven he's obstructed Congress in their pursuit of oversight - warranted or not. The Democrats should've shut up people like Waters who have been clamoring for impeachment since Day 1. They should've sent subpoenas for Bolton, Rudy and Mick and waited for that to come through before going through this process. The Republicans should've had the integrity to let the process play out. It think it's obvious by their attacks on the witnesses and the process and offering no defense of Trumps actions that they're trying to deflect and confuse who ever is watching. And now you have Mitch and others saying that they'll be impartial jurors. Correct me please, but wouldn't that talk get a juror thrown out of any other court? Both sides are messed up this process. Both sides are hyper-partisan and hypocritical for calling out the other for it.

Off the top of my head,here's where I stand on some issues.

Taxes: We're taxed enough. Cut spending. Nobody will - in fact the debt has grown more in Trumps 1st term than in Obama's.

Abortion: It's a tough one but it should be done accessible and done ASAP. None of this late term stuff.

Education - Set national standards but leave it up the states to decide how to meet those standards. Get the government out of the student loan business.

Regulation - regulate companies just enough to keep consumers safe, and the water and air clean

Defense - REDUCE IT. We spend way too much on crap we don't need. Bases, weapons systems, vehicles, antiquated tech.

Gay Marriage - let them get married. the government shouldn't be in the business of love. But since they are and they provide a benefit to hetero couples, the same should apply to gays.

LGTBAEIOEORU*(#Y Rights - Gays, Trans, etc... should be treated equally in matters like getting a loan or hiring practices. But, do not expect me to magically know that you self identify as a unicorn and go by a pronoun. It's fucking ridiculous.

2A - Amend it or STFU. If we need stricter laws to ensure mentally ill/dangerous people can't access them then I think that's good. But...Amend it or STFU.

Religious Freedom - practice what you want, just leave me the hell alone.

I agree with Ivy. What you say above may be true but the way you respond to things on here you're not far left but you are to the left of center.

[Ibanez]

AZ and I went through this routine a month ago and we pretty much agree on everything. I grew up conservative Catholic. I think of myself as a centrist. I'm definitely independent. I've voted for both parties, and for 3rd parties. I don't follow a certain political party or ideology. I definitely haven't joined the cult of personality. I honestly do not recall Democrats, en masse, blindly following or defending Obama the "Right" defends Trump. On both sides, it's all about winning, not governing. It's all about what's best for me and my reelection, not my district or state.

Regarding Impeachment - I don't think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump has done something impeachable with respects to Ukraine. He talks in hyperbole and his speeches/responses are often nonsensical. He builds himself up and it's apparent that he doesn't understand how to speak without screwing yourself. He's a shady, POS but I'm not convinced he's guilty of the 1st charge. On the 2nd charge, I do think he's guilty. His own words have proven he's obstructed Congress in their pursuit of oversight - warranted or not. The Democrats should've shut up people like Waters who have been clamoring for impeachment since Day 1. They should've sent subpoenas for Bolton, Rudy and Mick and waited for that to come through before going through this process. The Republicans should've had the integrity to let the process play out. It think it's obvious by their attacks on the witnesses and the process and offering no defense of Trumps actions that they're trying to deflect and confuse who ever is watching. And now you have Mitch and others saying that they'll be impartial jurors. Correct me please, but wouldn't that talk get a juror thrown out of any other court? Both sides are messed up this process. Both sides are hyper-partisan and hypocritical for calling out the other for it.

Off the top of my head,here's where I stand on some issues.

Taxes: We're taxed enough. Cut spending. Nobody will - in fact the debt has grown more in Trumps 1st term than in Obama's.

Abortion: It's a tough one but it should be done accessible and done ASAP. None of this late term stuff.

Education - Set national standards but leave it up the states to decide how to meet those standards. Get the government out of the student loan business.

Regulation - regulate companies just enough to keep consumers safe, and the water and air clean

Defense - REDUCE IT. We spend way too much on crap we don't need. Bases, weapons systems, vehicles, antiquated tech.

Gay Marriage - let them get married. the government shouldn't be in the business of love. But since they are and they provide a benefit to hetero couples, the same should apply to gays.

LGTBAEIOEORU*(#Y Rights - Gays, Trans, etc... should be treated equally in matters like getting a loan or hiring practices. But, do not expect me to magically know that you self identify as a unicorn and go by a pronoun. It's fucking ridiculous.

2A - Amend it or STFU. If we need stricter laws to ensure mentally ill/dangerous people can't access them then I think that's good. But...Amend it or STFU.

Religious Freedom - practice what you want, just leave me the hell alone.

I agree with Ivy. What you say above may be true but the way you respond to things on here you're not far left but you are to the left of center.

I can see that. And that's a valid point. These Trump threads are the biggest discussions on here and i'm admittedly not a fan of his.

But i'm a fan of the USMCA. Get it ratified, already!

[kalm]

AZ and I went through this routine a month ago and we pretty much agree on everything. I grew up conservative Catholic. I think of myself as a centrist. I'm definitely independent. I've voted for both parties, and for 3rd parties. I don't follow a certain political party or ideology. I definitely haven't joined the cult of personality. I honestly do not recall Democrats, en masse, blindly following or defending Obama the "Right" defends Trump. On both sides, it's all about winning, not governing. It's all about what's best for me and my reelection, not my district or state.

Regarding Impeachment - I don't think it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump has done something impeachable with respects to Ukraine. He talks in hyperbole and his speeches/responses are often nonsensical. He builds himself up and it's apparent that he doesn't understand how to speak without screwing yourself. He's a shady, POS but I'm not convinced he's guilty of the 1st charge. On the 2nd charge, I do think he's guilty. His own words have proven he's obstructed Congress in their pursuit of oversight - warranted or not. The Democrats should've shut up people like Waters who have been clamoring for impeachment since Day 1. They should've sent subpoenas for Bolton, Rudy and Mick and waited for that to come through before going through this process. The Republicans should've had the integrity to let the process play out. It think it's obvious by their attacks on the witnesses and the process and offering no defense of Trumps actions that they're trying to deflect and confuse who ever is watching. And now you have Mitch and others saying that they'll be impartial jurors. Correct me please, but wouldn't that talk get a juror thrown out of any other court? Both sides are messed up this process. Both sides are hyper-partisan and hypocritical for calling out the other for it.

Off the top of my head,here's where I stand on some issues.

Taxes: We're taxed enough. Cut spending. Nobody will - in fact the debt has grown more in Trumps 1st term than in Obama's.

Abortion: It's a tough one but it should be done accessible and done ASAP. None of this late term stuff.

Education - Set national standards but leave it up the states to decide how to meet those standards. Get the government out of the student loan business.

Regulation - regulate companies just enough to keep consumers safe, and the water and air clean

Defense - REDUCE IT. We spend way too much on crap we don't need. Bases, weapons systems, vehicles, antiquated tech.

Gay Marriage - let them get married. the government shouldn't be in the business of love. But since they are and they provide a benefit to hetero couples, the same should apply to gays.

LGTBAEIOEORU*(#Y Rights - Gays, Trans, etc... should be treated equally in matters like getting a loan or hiring practices. But, do not expect me to magically know that you self identify as a unicorn and go by a pronoun. It's fucking ridiculous.

2A - Amend it or STFU. If we need stricter laws to ensure mentally ill/dangerous people can't access them then I think that's good. But...Amend it or STFU.

Religious Freedom - practice what you want, just leave me the hell alone.

I agree with Ivy. What you say above may be true but the way you respond to things on here you're not far left but you are to the left of center.

Depends how you define the center. It's kind of squishy.

[kalm]

Not that this guy knows anything about our government or the legal system. Probably just another deep state liberal...

I have complete confidence in Mr. Wray, and I know that the F.B.I. is not a broken institution. It is a professional agency worthy of respect and support. The derision and aspersions are dangerous and unwarranted.

I’m profoundly disappointed in another longtime, respected friend, Rudy Giuliani, who had spent his life defending our people from those who would do us harm. His activities of late concerning Ukraine have, at a minimum, failed the smell test of propriety. I hope he, like all of us, will redirect to our North Star, the rule of law, something so precious it is greater than any man or administration.

This difficult moment demands the restoration of the proper place of the Department of Justice and the F.B.I. as bulwarks of law and order in America. This is not about politics. This is about the rule of law. Republicans and Democrats alike should defend it above all else.

In my nearly 96 years, I have seen our country rise above extraordinary challenges — the Great Depression, World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, segregation, assassinations, the resignation of a president and 9/11, to name just a few.

I continue to believe in and pray for the ability of all Americans to overcome our differences and pursue the common good. Order protects liberty, and liberty protects order.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/16/opin ... B7F76EP92k

[Ivytalk]

You don’t lean right on much.

UNI88 and Ganny : centrists FTW

Famous left learners...

Orwell
Smith
Einstein
Locke
Teddy Roosevelt
Jesus
Division One Boy

Liberals FTW.

Orwell was more famous for recognizing and rejecting the evils of the Soviet system than for any youthful dalliance he may have had with Toryism. He was consistently a socialist throughout his life, with a rare ability to call out the left for its faults.

And are you referring to Adam Smith? His acceptance of a limited role for government in the economy doesn’t make him a liberal. Have you read Wealth of Nations?

[Ibanez]

Did you miss where I wrote they’re all hypocrites? They all suck. 535 members of Congress and every single one is a partisan hack. Beholden you’re party over country. They serve only the people that voted for them. I’d love to hear what Bolton has to say and I’m sure the other two would lie through their teeth for Trump.


I get that a D or R is going to protect their majority or want to get out of the minority. I’m not that naive to think they should be bipartisan on every thing.

And I do lean left on some issues, nothing wrong with that. I lean right on many others.


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Why do you apologize for and have to justify your political leanings on here? That part of you is true Democrat.

I didn't apologize for anything.

[kalm]

Famous left learners...

Orwell
Smith
Einstein
Locke
Teddy Roosevelt
Jesus
Division One Boy

Liberals FTW.

Orwell was more famous for recognizing and rejecting the evils of the Soviet system than for any youthful dalliance he may have had with Toryism. He was consistently a socialist throughout his life, with a rare ability to call out the left for its faults.

And are you referring to Adam Smith? His acceptance of a limited role for government in the economy doesn’t make him a liberal. Have you read Wealth of Nations?

Dammit, not yet! I’m committed to make my friend Ivy happy and read Refections on the Revolution in France first.

[HI54UNI]

I agree with Ivy. What you say above may be true but the way you respond to things on here you're not far left but you are to the left of center.

Again....what is the big fucking deal. You guys lean right....he leans left. The horror!!!

This is playground bullshit.

Did I say it's a big deal? IDGAF what anybody's leanings are. Own them. Hearing different views are good for people. Too many people today live in a bubble with only like viewpoints.

[89Hen]

Abortion: It's a tough one but it should be done accessible and done ASAP. None of this late term stuff.

This makes no sense.

[Ibanez]

Again....what is the big fucking deal. You guys lean right....he leans left. The horror!!!

This is playground bullshit.

Did I say it's a big deal? IDGAF what anybody's leanings are. Own them. Hearing different views are good for people. Too many people today live in a bubble with only like viewpoints.

This. We don't need this forum to become an echo chamber.

[Ibanez]

Abortion: It's a tough one but it should be done accessible and done ASAP. None of this late term stuff.

It should be accessible and done early on. I'd rather have legal,safe abortions than the alternative. You saw how it almost killed Penny in Dirty Dancing.

[kalm]

Did I say it's a big deal? IDGAF what anybody's leanings are. Own them. Hearing different views are good for people. Too many people today live in a bubble with only like viewpoints.

This. We don't need this forum to become an echo chamber.

Chamber chamber chamber

[89Hen]

It should be accessible and done early on. I'd rather have legal,safe abortions than the alternative. You saw how it almost killed Penny in Dirty Dancing.

When is the exact moment it becomes "late term" or unacceptable?