Which threatens the republic more?

[LeadBolt]

There are no far right facist candidates or rule in the USA other than in the imagination of those who don’t understand the terms.


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[dbackjon]

As opposed to the Conks given in to the far right/Fascists? Because that is who is in charge in DC now, an authoritarian fascist unchecked by a spineless Senate.

Re-election of Trump will spell the end of the United States. Won't happen in the next four years, but in my lifetime, the US will not be a democracy if it exists at all.

Classic response from one suffering from TDS with no understanding of facts or truth only political doctrine spouting off MSN, CNN, MLM distortions.


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I figured as much from the Trump Cultists on this site who are too blind to see the damage that Trump and the GOP are doing to the United States. Keep in your little Trumpbubble.

Sucks for your kids and Grandkids, but fuck'em, right? That's the GOP motto!

[dbackjon]

There are no far right facist candidates or rule in the USA other than in the imagination of those who don’t understand the terms.


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Sounds like you are the one who doesn't understand, or is unwilling to admit the terrible mistake he has made with his fealty to Trump.

[LeadBolt]

Classic. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Try critically thinking for yourself vs spouting your sad, worn out slogans.


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[LeadBolt]

Not really loyal to Trump. He is a despicable human being, but his actions as President by and large are undoing some of the harm done by President “I don’t need Congress I have a phone and a pen”. That statement is what you would expect from a dictator.


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[kalm]

Not really loyal to Trump. He is a despicable human being, but his actions as President by and large are undoing some of the harm done by President “I don’t need Congress I have a phone and a pen”. That statement is what you would expect from a dictator.


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Oh good lord. Are you talking about Obama?

[UNI88]

Can we get past the name calling? While we may disagree, I don't doubt that other posters want what is best for the country so I try to respect and listen to their opinions.

One of the things that makes this site great is that we don't sit in our ideological echo chambers screaming our opinions thinking they're facts because the other chimpanzees agree with us and wondering why the other side is too stupid to see the light.

[AZGrizFan]

Classic response from one suffering from TDS with no understanding of facts or truth only political doctrine spouting off MSN, CNN, MLM distortions.


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I figured as much from the Trump Cultists on this site who are too blind to see the damage that Trump and the GOP are doing to the United States. Keep in your little Trumpbubble.

Sucks for your kids and Grandkids, but fuck'em, right? That's the GOP motto!

Please describe in detail this “damage” Trump has done to America.

[kalm]

Can we get past the name calling? While we may disagree, I don't doubt that other posters want what is best for the country so I try to respect and listen to their opinions.

One of the things that makes this site great is that we don't sit in our ideological echo chambers screaming our opinions thinking they're facts because the other chimpanzees agree with us and wondering why the other side is too stupid to see the light.

Shut up you in-bred iowaegian conk mofo!

Agree. I love the fact that your shit gets checked, and sometimes brutally.

I can disagree with but truly am listening to all you crazy assholes, and I’m willing to and have had my mind changed countless times.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

This. The donks have given in to the far left/Marxists, and anyone expecting some kind of "normalcy" from their governance is an idiot.

As opposed to the Conks given in to the far right/Fascists? Because that is who is in charge in DC now, an authoritarian fascist unchecked by a spineless Senate.

Re-election of Trump will spell the end of the United States. Won't happen in the next four years, but in my lifetime, the US will not be a democracy if it exists at all.

Just like all the Gays Trump was gonna murder if he became president!!! Drama Queen

[BDKJMU]

This. The donks have given in to the far left/Marxists, and anyone expecting some kind of "normalcy" from their governance is an idiot.

As opposed to the Conks given in to the far right/Fascists? Because that is who is in charge in DC now, an authoritarian fascist unchecked by a spineless Senate.

Re-election of Trump will spell the end of the United States. Won't happen in the next four years, but in my lifetime, the US will not be a democracy if it exists at all.

[CID1990]

I haven’t seen this fascism/authoritarianism some of you are talking about

Sounds a lot like that sharia law communism we were gonna get with Obama


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[JohnStOnge]

A Bernie win with Republicans keeping the senate or....

A Trump win but Dems pick up both houses?

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

[Ivytalk]

A Bernie win with Republicans keeping the senate or....

A Trump win but Dems pick up both houses?

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

StMengele is back.

[AZGrizFan]

A Bernie win with Republicans keeping the senate or....

A Trump win but Dems pick up both houses?

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

Did Trump sleep with your mother? Your wife? Your daughter? I’m trying to figure out how a self-proclaimed “conservative” could EVER make the statement bolder above.

[LeadBolt]

A Bernie win with Republicans keeping the senate or....

A Trump win but Dems pick up both houses?

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

Balderdash. What uninformed bs. Typical Demo insulting the people that voted for Trump, just before asking for their vote.

Confirming yet again that Dims act on feelings and Republicans act on thinking the issues thru.

Thanks for clarifying this for me dimocrat stooge.

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[kalm]

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

Balderdash. What uninformed bs. Typical Demo insulting the people that voted for Trump, just before asking for their vote.

Confirming yet again that Dims act on feelings and Republicans act on thinking the issues thru.

Thanks for clarifying this for me dimocrat stooge.

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I didn't know JSO was running....and as a Democrat?

[Chizzang]

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

Unemployment at a historical low
Corporate Profits at an all time high
more wealth concentrated in the fewest hands in American History
Wall Street now cornered by the smallest percentage of shareholders in US history
CEO bonus packages at a near Egyptian pharaohs level

Things couldn't possibly be any better John
how could you say such things



We're at the forefront of the New Gilded Age

[AZGrizFan]

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

Unemployment at a historical low
Corporate Profits at an all time high
more wealth concentrated in the fewest hands in American History
Wall Street now cornered by the smallest percentage of shareholders in US history
CEO bonus packages at a near Egyptian pharaohs level

Things couldn't possibly be any better John
how could you say such things



We're at the forefront of the New Gilded Age

What's the matter? You don't want to post that most-excellent wage graph again?

[Chizzang]

Unemployment at a historical low
Corporate Profits at an all time high
more wealth concentrated in the fewest hands in American History
Wall Street now cornered by the smallest percentage of shareholders in US history
CEO bonus packages at a near Egyptian pharaohs level

Things couldn't possibly be any better John
how could you say such things



We're at the forefront of the New Gilded Age

What's the matter? You don't want to post that most-excellent wage graph again?

[JohnStOnge]

What threatens the Republic right now is the Republican Party. Or, more precisely, what threatens the Republic is the set of nut jobs that currently comprises the Republican base. And the Republican politicians don't have the guts to show leadership and reject these people.

I think if I had to choose between the two scenarios you present I'd pick Bernie as President with the Republicans keeping the Senate. This country really, really needs to get rid of Trump. And Trump losing would say something positive. The fact that somebody like Trump has even a snowball's chance in hell of ever becoming President does not speak well of the US population. If he gets re-elected we'll know we've got a REALLY serious problem with the composition of the population. And that's a bigger problem than any particular politician is.

Did Trump sleep with your mother? Your wife? Your daughter? I’m trying to figure out how a self-proclaimed “conservative” could EVER make the statement bolder above.

The people in the conservative movement who enabled Trump to be where he is need to be defeated. They don't need to be understood. They don't need to be convinced. They need to be eliminated as a factor in US politics. Marginalized. Destroyed. The conservative movement needs to suffer something like Bernie being elected President...which would have virtually ZERO chance of happening if the Republicans hadn't decided to line up behind a complete atrocity...would be good for the conservative movement in the long run. The conservative movement NEEDS a butt kicking right now.

[JohnStOnge]

I figured as much from the Trump Cultists on this site who are too blind to see the damage that Trump and the GOP are doing to the United States. Keep in your little Trumpbubble.

Sucks for your kids and Grandkids, but fuck'em, right? That's the GOP motto!

Please describe in detail this “damage” Trump has done to America.

The intelligence community has to worry about having honest assessment result in retribution against it. Public confidence in Federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies has been irrationally compromised. Other agencies have to worry about having honest analysis contradict the Demagogue in Chief. The trade deficit has increased. After a declining trend, the budget deficits are increasing. No telling what is going on with regulation. Our European allies do not trust us. They have no confidence in our leadership. The rest of the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. The Chinese are playing us. The North Koreans are playing us. The Kurds were betrayed. We're probably about to make a bad deal with the Taliban because Trump wants to be able to say he solved that situation before the election. Public confidence in institutions that will make an effort to tell them the truth has been compromised in favor of having a large percentage of the population believe total bullshit from a President who lies practically every time he opens his mouth and the dishonest institutions that support him.

[JohnStOnge]

BTW, when I say there is no telling what's going with the deregulation, what i mean is that that's a very complex area of discussion that is hard to put into readily digestible bullets that make a big impression on people. But I suspect it is irresponsible and reckless. Here are some articles on the issue:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/08 ... ne-science

https://theintercept.com/2020/01/12/can ... gulations/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/02/clim ... ation.html

It's the kind of thing that tends to get lost in all the stuff that's going on. But I'm surprised the Democrats haven't made more of an issue of it. One of the thing that worried most when Trump got elected was that he would compromise the scientific integrity of environmental and public health agencies.

Look, I am a stickler for the rule that inferring cause and effect requires a controlled experiment. At the same time, I know that as a practical matter we need to make decisions without that when it comes to human health. And we need to err on the side of public health. I don't think that's what's happening with the Trump push for deregulation.

[JohnStOnge]

Just saw this referenced:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coron ... li=BBnbfcL

Coronavirus-infected Americans flown home against CDC’s advice

The State Department wanted them flown home. That is associated with Trump not wanting the situation to interfere with his re-election.

This is yet another example of why we need to get rid of this guy.

BTW, I still think that at his point this particular Coronavirus thing is probably not that big a deal. I still think influenza is a bigger threat. My opinion could change as things develop but that's what I think right now.

BUT, the CDC has the philosophy of erring on the side of public health and that's the proper approach.

Meanwhile we have a President who sees things in terms of "What does this mean in terms of me getting re-elected."

[AZGrizFan]

Just saw this referenced:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coron ... li=BBnbfcL

Coronavirus-infected Americans flown home against CDC’s advice

The State Department wanted them flown home. That is associated with Trump not wanting the situation to interfere with his re-election.

This is yet another example of why we need to get rid of this guy.

BTW, I still think that at his point this particular Coronavirus thing is probably not that big a deal. I still think influenza is a bigger threat. My opinion could change as things develop but that's what I think right now.

BUT, the CDC has the philosophy of erring on the side of public health and that's the proper approach.

Meanwhile we have a President who sees things in terms of "What does this mean in terms of me getting re-elected."

You have absolutely zero proof of that. Total conjecture. Total TDS.

Congrats.