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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:59 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:16 pm These Sanders people are almost as bad as Trump people.
Lol. “Almost”.

It’s not “Trump” people who are advocating for gulags and reeducation camps when their candidate gets elected. It’s not Trump people who are violently self-righteous and demanding that you agree lockstep with every single position of their candidate or you’ll be verbally abused, assaulted and beaten into submission....
Very true. But Sanders' base are lemmings just like Trump's base.

Although, they might not be violent but anyone disagreeing with Trumps is met with self-righteousness and insults.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:35 am
93henfan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:03 amNate Silver has it Biden 1,740 delegates to Bernie's 1,362 now and you know Bernie stands no chance in a contested convention.

The Bernie Bros will be pissed for a couple of days and then still vote for Biden.
The media is the only one painting this narrative that the DNC is divided. Poll after poll shows that they'll unite around whoever the candidate is, except for Bloomberg 'cause there's not a lot of good data on that yet.

I will personally not vote for Bloomberg though. :twocents:

That said, it'd be quite a mockery of democracy if Sanders wins a plurality of delegates and isn't the nominee. Biden would still get my vote, but no donations or canvassing or whatever.
I'm not convinced that progressives will still turn out if Bernie gets screwed. I'm also not convinced that moderate indies will hold their noses and vote for Bernie. They seem to truly hate him and are buying into the commie memes more and more. It's looking like an effective take down.

FWIW, my 19 year old registered to vote because of Bernie. He has a good bullshit detector and reads a lot. I don't see him voting for a Biden or Bloomberg.
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Ivytalk wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:25 pm Trump predictably doubling down on his claim that the Donk primaries are rigged against Bernie. He’s starting to sweat.
Trump said last night that nobody new the flu was lethal. He didn't know it therefore nobody knew it. :shock:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:37 pm
Ivytalk wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:25 pm Trump predictably doubling down on his claim that the Donk primaries are rigged against Bernie. He’s starting to sweat.
He’s right. It IS rigged...and I don’t think he’s sweating. He’s pompous enough to think he’ll swamp whomever they put up as a challenger...
:lol: Of course it's rigged. Even the DNC doesn't want a socialist as their standard bearer. I don't blame them.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:35 am
93henfan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:03 amNate Silver has it Biden 1,740 delegates to Bernie's 1,362 now and you know Bernie stands no chance in a contested convention.

The Bernie Bros will be pissed for a couple of days and then still vote for Biden.
The media is the only one painting this narrative that the DNC is divided. Poll after poll shows that they'll unite around whoever the candidate is, except for Bloomberg 'cause there's not a lot of good data on that yet (I wouldn't vote for him).

That said, it'd be quite a mockery if Sanders wins a plurality of delegates and isn't the nominee. Biden would still get my vote, but no donations or canvassing or whatever.
Well, as of Saturday, Biden led the popular vote count. Isn't that a big fucking deal to Democrats anymore?
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93henfan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:03 am Sleepy Joe can beat Trump. The negros turn out in droves for Biden. Could bring Ohio and Georgia back in play for the Dems and outright take MI and PA.

The Dems finally got this revelation on Saturday. Bernie is done now.

Nate Silver has it Biden 1,740 delegates to Bernie's 1,362 now and you know Bernie stands no chance in a contested convention.

The Bernie Bros will be pissed for a couple of days and then still vote for Biden. I don't get all the CNN pearl clutching about a contested convention

The real victory here is that Bloomberg will not be the candidate. :clap: whew. I get to keep my guns (inside my home).
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:41 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:59 pm

Lol. “Almost”.

It’s not “Trump” people who are advocating for gulags and reeducation camps when their candidate gets elected. It’s not Trump people who are violently self-righteous and demanding that you agree lockstep with every single position of their candidate or you’ll be verbally abused, assaulted and beaten into submission....
Very true. But Sanders' base are lemmings just like Trump's base.

Although, they might not be violent but anyone disagreeing with Trumps is met with self-righteousness and insults.
I'm going to steal a bit from CID and suggest there's a strong underlying populist streak that's going unrecognized and there are more non-lemming supporters of both. Policy wise but for different reasons, neither Trump or Bernie are extreme. There's a chance for some serious propaganda fatigue.
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:45 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:41 am

Very true. But Sanders' base are lemmings just like Trump's base.

Although, they might not be violent but anyone disagreeing with Trumps is met with self-righteousness and insults.
I'm going to steal a bit from CID and suggest there's a strong underlying populist streak that's going unrecognized and there are more non-lemming supporters of both. Policy wise but for different reasons, neither Trump or Bernie are extreme. There's a chance for some serious propaganda fatigue.
I hope. If it were Bernie v Trump or Biden v Trump i'm had a really difficult time not writing in 89hen for POTUS.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:46 am
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:45 am

I'm going to steal a bit from CID and suggest there's a strong underlying populist streak that's going unrecognized and there are more non-lemming supporters of both. Policy wise but for different reasons, neither Trump or Bernie are extreme. There's a chance for some serious propaganda fatigue.
I hope. If it were Bernie v Trump or Biden v Trump i'm had a really difficult time not writing in 89hen for POTUS.
He'd bogart the curmudgeon vote from all of them!
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93henfan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:45 amWell, as of Saturday, Biden led the popular vote count. Isn't that a big fucking deal to Democrats anymore?
It should be.

This delegate process (and math behind it) is as stupid as the electoral college. The existence of super-delegates even more so.
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Thank God for the electoral college people that hate math don't like it.

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93henfan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:03 am Sleepy Joe can beat Trump. The negros turn out in droves for Biden. Could bring Ohio and Georgia back in play for the Dems and outright take MI and PA.

The Dems finally got this revelation on Saturday. Bernie is done now.

Nate Silver has it Biden 1,740 delegates to Bernie's 1,362 now and you know Bernie stands no chance in a contested convention.

The Bernie Bros will be pissed for a couple of days and then still vote for Biden. I don't get all the CNN pearl clutching about a contested convention

The real victory here is that Bloomberg will not be the candidate. :clap: whew. I get to keep my guns (inside my home).
True about the blacks. Biden could be drooling by election day, have flashbacks to his youth, drop the N-word, and the blacks will still turn out in droves for him.

Then Silver must have Biden winning Texas or CA. I would take anything Silver says with a grain of Salt. After all, he had Clinton in a lanslide in 2016 right up until election day (JSO trigger).

If Bernie takes both CA & Texas, don't see Biden getting a majority ofnthe delegates headed into the convention. If Sanders comes in to the convention with a majority of the delegates, of course course Biden will still win a contested (rigged) convention. But that would piss off & disillusion the the Bernie Bros a A LOT more than 2016. On the other hand, if Biden came into the convention with a majority, the donk democrat establishment could at least say that, hey the candidate coming into the convention wit the majority of delegates won the nomination.

Also when does Pocahontas fold up her tee-pee? Most of her supporters would go to Bernie, like most of Buttplug's an Klobuchar's went to Biden.

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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:42 am
∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:35 am
The media is the only one painting this narrative that the DNC is divided. Poll after poll shows that they'll unite around whoever the candidate is, except for Bloomberg 'cause there's not a lot of good data on that yet.

I will personally not vote for Bloomberg though. :twocents:

That said, it'd be quite a mockery of democracy if Sanders wins a plurality of delegates and isn't the nominee. Biden would still get my vote, but no donations or canvassing or whatever.
I'm not convinced that progressives will still turn out if Bernie gets screwed. I'm also not convinced that moderate indies will hold their noses and vote for Bernie. They seem to truly hate him and are buying into the commie memes more and more. It's looking like an effective take down.

FWIW, my 19 year old registered to vote because of Bernie. He has a good bullshit detector and reads a lot. I don't see him voting for a Biden or Bloomberg.
I agree, this idea that Bernie's supporters would get behind Biden is silly - I'm not sure what ones Trip knows but the Bernie backers I know would never get behind an establishment candidate in a second straight primary season where the establishment did everything they could to take the nomination from Bernie. Maybe they could depending on who Biden eventually would pick as his VP, because at 78 prior to the next term starting, there's no guarantee that Biden's going to finish his first term anyway. How much Biden is able to repair the widening gulf between the establishment and the Bernie brigade will depend a lot on who he picks as VP.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:33 am
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:42 am

I'm not convinced that progressives will still turn out if Bernie gets screwed. I'm also not convinced that moderate indies will hold their noses and vote for Bernie. They seem to truly hate him and are buying into the commie memes more and more. It's looking like an effective take down.

FWIW, my 19 year old registered to vote because of Bernie. He has a good bullshit detector and reads a lot. I don't see him voting for a Biden or Bloomberg.
I agree, this idea that Bernie's supporters would get behind Biden is silly - I'm not sure what ones Trip knows but the Bernie backers I know would never get behind an establishment candidate in a second straight primary season where the establishment did everything they could to take the nomination from Bernie. Maybe they could depending on who Biden eventually would pick as his VP, because at 78 prior to the next term starting, there's no guarantee that Biden's going to finish his first term anyway. How much Biden is able to repair the widening gulf between the establishment and the Bernie brigade will depend a lot on who he picks as VP.
Great point. :nod:
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:33 am
kalm wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:42 am

I'm not convinced that progressives will still turn out if Bernie gets screwed. I'm also not convinced that moderate indies will hold their noses and vote for Bernie. They seem to truly hate him and are buying into the commie memes more and more. It's looking like an effective take down.

FWIW, my 19 year old registered to vote because of Bernie. He has a good bullshit detector and reads a lot. I don't see him voting for a Biden or Bloomberg.
I agree, this idea that Bernie's supporters would get behind Biden is silly - I'm not sure what ones Trip knows but the Bernie backers I know would never get behind an establishment candidate in a second straight primary season where the establishment did everything they could to take the nomination from Bernie. Maybe they could depending on who Biden eventually would pick as his VP, because at 78 prior to the next term starting, there's no guarantee that Biden's going to finish his first term anyway. How much Biden is able to repair the widening gulf between the establishment and the Bernie brigade will depend a lot on who he picks as VP.
I love how we think a millionaire socialist with almost 50 years working in politics (roughly 40 years as an elected official, 30 of which are in the US Congress) as not the establishment. :lol:
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:41 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:59 pm

Lol. “Almost”.

It’s not “Trump” people who are advocating for gulags and reeducation camps when their candidate gets elected. It’s not Trump people who are violently self-righteous and demanding that you agree lockstep with every single position of their candidate or you’ll be verbally abused, assaulted and beaten into submission....
Very true. But Sanders' base are lemmings just like Trump's base.

Although, they might not be violent but anyone disagreeing with Trumps is met with self-righteousness and insults.
Disagree. The vast majority of Trump voters I've met and talked with don't particularly like the man, personally....don't speak highly of him as a human being....but understand the difference between what he says and what impact he (or the alternative) would have on the country.
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:45 am
93henfan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:03 am Sleepy Joe can beat Trump. The negros turn out in droves for Biden. Could bring Ohio and Georgia back in play for the Dems and outright take MI and PA.

The Dems finally got this revelation on Saturday. Bernie is done now.

Nate Silver has it Biden 1,740 delegates to Bernie's 1,362 now and you know Bernie stands no chance in a contested convention.

The Bernie Bros will be pissed for a couple of days and then still vote for Biden. I don't get all the CNN pearl clutching about a contested convention

The real victory here is that Bloomberg will not be the candidate. :clap: whew. I get to keep my guns (inside my home).
I thought all your guns were lost in a fire. Or were lost on a sunken boat. :mrgreen:
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:46 amI love how we think a millionaire socialist with almost 50 years working in politics (roughly 40 years as an elected official, 30 of which are in the US Congress) as not the establishment. :lol:
That's his appeal; he's stuck to his principles and been the most consistent.

It's true he won't be able to get some (most?) things he wants passed, but I know where his decision-making will come from, and the things he can control will be geared toward results I can support. It also establishes what he won't support and veto.
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:36 am
GannonFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:33 am

I agree, this idea that Bernie's supporters would get behind Biden is silly - I'm not sure what ones Trip knows but the Bernie backers I know would never get behind an establishment candidate in a second straight primary season where the establishment did everything they could to take the nomination from Bernie. Maybe they could depending on who Biden eventually would pick as his VP, because at 78 prior to the next term starting, there's no guarantee that Biden's going to finish his first term anyway. How much Biden is able to repair the widening gulf between the establishment and the Bernie brigade will depend a lot on who he picks as VP.
Great point. :nod:
I think there's a militant element who will say "fuck the establishment" and not come out and vote. But there's another element (includes a couple of my sisters) who are so infected with TDS that they'd vote for Beelzebub himself to get Trump out of office. Not sure which element wins out at the end of the day....
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:56 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:41 am

Very true. But Sanders' base are lemmings just like Trump's base.

Although, they might not be violent but anyone disagreeing with Trumps is met with self-righteousness and insults.
Disagree. The vast majority of Trump voters I've met and talked with don't particularly like the man, personally....don't speak highly of him as a human being....but understand the difference between what he says and what impact he (or the alternative) would have on the country.
Including those on CS, I have a different experience. Lots of people love to say someone that disagrees with Trump has "TDS."
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Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:18 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:56 am

Disagree. The vast majority of Trump voters I've met and talked with don't particularly like the man, personally....don't speak highly of him as a human being....but understand the difference between what he says and what impact he (or the alternative) would have on the country.
Including those on CS, I have a different experience. Lots of people love to say someone that disagrees with Trump has "TDS."
Because usually those people aren't disagreeing with his policies, they're attacking the person...racist, Nazi, misogynist, hates gays, sexist, "he's going to destroy the country", "he wants to be king forever", "the world hates us", "he's Russia's puppet", "anyone who votes for him is retarded", "his deplorable base", yada yada yada.... That is the very definition of TDS. You know, guys like dback, treep, analjelly, jso, etc.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:28 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:18 am
Including those on CS, I have a different experience. Lots of people love to say someone that disagrees with Trump has "TDS."
Because usually those people aren't disagreeing with his policies, they're attacking the person...racist, Nazi, misogynist, hates gays, sexist, "he's going to destroy the country", "he wants to be king forever", "the world hates us", "he's Russia's puppet", "anyone who votes for him is retarded", "his deplorable base", yada yada yada.... That is the very definition of TDS. You know, guys like dback, treep, analjelly, jso, etc.
I've said it a million times now, but having TDS is a badge of honor.

Means you don't want the f*cking President to be an immoral, stupid, corrupt, self-centered asshole.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:28 am
Ibanez wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:18 am
Including those on CS, I have a different experience. Lots of people love to say someone that disagrees with Trump has "TDS."
Because usually those people aren't disagreeing with his policies, they're attacking the person...racist, Nazi, misogynist, hates gays, sexist, "he's going to destroy the country", "he wants to be king forever", "the world hates us", "he's Russia's puppet", "anyone who votes for him is retarded", "his deplorable base", yada yada yada.... That is the very definition of TDS. You know, guys like dback, treep, analjelly, jso, etc.
I can see it that way. That shit is as ridiculous as those that said Obama is a Kenyan muslin. :thumb: I'd wager any discussion on his policies would end up the same way.

Speaking of, and this is for the MAGA thread - we haven't Armchair QB'd his Afghanistan Peace Deal and the potential release of 5k people.
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∞∞∞ wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:34 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:28 am

Because usually those people aren't disagreeing with his policies, they're attacking the person...racist, Nazi, misogynist, hates gays, sexist, "he's going to destroy the country", "he wants to be king forever", "the world hates us", "he's Russia's puppet", "anyone who votes for him is retarded", "his deplorable base", yada yada yada.... That is the very definition of TDS. You know, guys like dback, treep, analjelly, jso, etc.
I've said it a million times now, but having TDS is a badge of honor.

Means you don't want the f*cking President to be an immoral, stupid, corrupt, self-centered asshole.
All POTUS' are self-centered to a point. It takes a certain kind of arrogance to think you can run a country. :twocents:
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