Coronavirus COVID-19

[BDKJMU]

Sad day for the hippies. Burning Man 2020 cancelled due to the Chinese Virus..

[HI54UNI]

You must not have been on here last Sun-Mon..
viewtopic.php?p=1303912#p1303912

I was here. You reposted a graph that Fiver posted earlier. I want a link to where that graph came from. If you can't provide it, why did you repost it? And don't tell me it's in the information at the top. Those links are to information on flu deaths and the graph is for all deaths.

I would really like to take a look at the original page and see if whether I can break the information down into component parts and find out where deaths are dropping. Maybe Fiver can provide the link.

If you go to the link the data is all there. All deaths, flu deaths, and IIRC pneumonia deaths.

[UNI88]

I was here. You reposted a graph that Fiver posted earlier. I want a link to where that graph came from. If you can't provide it, why did you repost it? And don't tell me it's in the information at the top. Those links are to information on flu deaths and the graph is for all deaths.

I would really like to take a look at the original page and see if whether I can break the information down into component parts and find out where deaths are dropping. Maybe Fiver can provide the link.

Yeah, I don't have it. Have to get it from your fellow Iowegian.

So you like to nitpick others but you can't step up when you're nitpicked.

[HI54UNI]

A Louisville, KY church received an injunction on the mayor's ban of drive in church service for Easter. The judge's order is an interesting read.

On Holy Thursday, an American mayor criminalized the communal celebration of Easter. That sentence is one that this Court never expected to see outside the pages of a dystopian novel, or perhaps the pages of The Onion. But two days ago, citing the need for social distancing during the current pandemic, Louisville’s Mayor Greg Fischer ordered Christians not to attend Sunday services, even if they remained in their cars to worship – and even though it’s Easter. The Mayor’s decision is stunning. And it is,“beyond all reason,”unconstitutional.

https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnew ... d6.pdf.pdf

I love this line in the opinion - but if beer is "essential," so is Easter.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, I don't have it. Have to get it from your fellow Iowegian.

So you like to nitpick others but you can't step up when you're nitpicked.

Its not even the same thing The graph was already talked about on here, and the info clearly came from the CDC. Totally different from when someone makes a claim on here with info that we haven't talked about before, no link, no graph. I don't believe I've ever asked for a link off of a graph..

[BDKJMU]

Some on the left are up in arms about the Surgeon General's remarks yesterday, the about the 4:10-4:35 mark.

[BDKJMU]

Surgeons General's defense:

[UNI88]

So you like to nitpick others but you can't step up when you're nitpicked.

Its not even the same thing The graph was already talked about on here, and the info clearly came from the CDC. Totally different from when someone makes a claim on here with info that we haven't talked about before, no link, no graph. I don't believe I've ever asked for a link off of a graph..

Sorry Lil' Donnie but bustin' chops is bustin' chops.

Side note: they really need to make a new version of Lil' Bush with Trump in the lead role. It would be hilarious.

[SDHornet]

Best Twatter thread ever...

Ouch. Not sure how the Chinese apologists can counter that one.

[CID1990]

Best Twatter thread ever...

That’s in response to Chinese government trolls on Twitter

Remember - Twitter is blocked in China so when you get someone defending China there’s a foolproof test to expose them as Chinese government bots

Simply challenge them to joke about Xi looking like Winnie the Pooh in a tweet


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[kalm]

Good read here on confusing the facts...

https://thebulwark.com/the-federalists- ... rutherism/

[JohnStOnge]

Can we at least agree that MediaMatters is no more a legitimate source than FOX, CNN or MSNBC?

My initial impulse was to say "yes" but then I checked to see what mediabiasfact.com says about it and, though it has Media Matters rated as biased to the left, it's got its factual reporting rating as "High."

It's got Fox, CNN, and MSNBC rated as "Mixed" on factual reporting. I can't independently judge because I never look at Media Matters. I just assumed it's a propaganda site.

But I guess it's possible to be factual in what you report and still be propaganda by virtue of what you DON'T report.

[JohnStOnge]

Good read here on confusing the facts...

https://thebulwark.com/the-federalists- ... rutherism/

Yes there is a lot of dishonesty in the conservative movement nowadays. It's very disturbing.

[kalm]

Can we at least agree that MediaMatters is no more a legitimate source than FOX, CNN or MSNBC?

My initial impulse was to say "yes" but then I checked to see what mediabiasfact.com says about it and, though it has Media Matters rated as biased to the left, it's got its factual reporting rating as "High."

It's got Fox, CNN, and MSNBC rated as "Mixed" on factual reporting. I can't independently judge because I never look at Media Matters. I just assumed it's a propaganda site.

But I guess it's possible to be factual in what you report and still be propaganda by virtue of what you DON'T report.

I’m not a fan of their domestic spin but way too many people fail to grasp that quality journalism does not necessarily require “fair and balanced.

Truth, like life, isn’t always fair.

[JohnStOnge]

My initial impulse was to say "yes" but then I checked to see what mediabiasfact.com says about it and, though it has Media Matters rated as biased to the left, it's got its factual reporting rating as "High."

It's got Fox, CNN, and MSNBC rated as "Mixed" on factual reporting. I can't independently judge because I never look at Media Matters. I just assumed it's a propaganda site.

But I guess it's possible to be factual in what you report and still be propaganda by virtue of what you DON'T report.

I’m not a fan of their domestic spin but way too many people fail to grasp that quality journalism does not necessarily require “fair and balanced.

Truth, like life, isn’t always fair.

Well, I'm sure you agree that you can be completely truthful as well as factual and create false impressions through omission.

[HI54UNI]

Haven't verified but this is going around on Twitter -

Michigan governor's order bans the sale of kid's car seats.

[kalm]

Gawd I hate Journey but this is one of the best things to cone out of the crisis so far....

https://vimeo.com/404483016?fbclid=IwAR ... bwoZ2cqmaY

[CAA Flagship]

Good questions, unfortunately we probably won't know until this is well behind us but probably a portion of both.

MrsCCU and I were discussing this earlier. Trump was given too awful choices to make. Any
President would’ve made 1 of 2 made choices. It was lose-lose.


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What?

[CAA Flagship]

Our lives are upside down until a vaccine is developed. And the likelihood of one in the next 12-18 months is a long shot. It's an extremely difficult process. No vaccine was ever developed for SARS or MERS. But we can't stay imobilized for much longer. This is going to come down to risk-taking. It will be trial and error. And there will be errors.

We've been hearing 12-18 months for several months now. I know the 1st trials started in Jan.. Eventually its got to change to 10-16, or 9-15 months, or something. There's probably never been this much worldwide effort put into to developing a vaccine. With dozens of worldwide trials, odds are I think we'll get one in record, or near record time, probably sometime 2021. Heard last month some doc claiming the record is 20 months, forgot what vaccine.

But yeah, there's a slim chance we might never get one. Because of that possibility, you can't keep your lives upside down until a vaccine. That's why when we get mass testing (there now) for the virus and antibodies (soon), proven therapeutics (probably this year), we have to return to life before: packed restaurants & bars, full stadiums, churches, events, etc. We'll develop herd immunity under a flattened curve, and life will go on..

You are assuming that the first vaccine to be tested will work. It may be that the first 1, 2, 3, etc. fail and the one that works is developed from the lessons learned in the early ones.

[JohnStOnge]

I think the University of Washington Model described at http://www.healthdata.org/covid has established some credibility; at least with respect to anticipating numbers of deaths associated with confirmed COVID-19 cases. Here are some numbers that speak well of it:

According to the Johns Hopkins page at https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality, as of 8:30 pm Eastern Time on April 11 (yesterday as I type), there were 20,463 United States COVID-19 associated deaths.

The first run of the University of Washington Model I can find was on March 25. That run predicted that the death total through April 11 would be from 14,986 through 35,278 United States COVID-19 associated deaths. The point estimate was 22,297.

On March 31, when the Administration gave its press briefing and referenced different model or set of models to predict 100,000 to 240,000 deaths, the University of Washington Model run of that date predicted 17,639 through 26,630 United States COVID-19 associated deaths. The point estimate was 22,266.

That's pretty darned good. Remember, the point estimate is never going to be exactly correct. The prediction is successful if the actual number is within the predicted range. On March 25 there were 1,028 United States COVID-19 deaths and on March 31 there were 4,064. So we were not yet close to where we are now in terms of raw numbers. The death count as of April 11 was not something one could just easily guess.

One caveat I see is that the Model did well with respect to deaths associated with confirmed cases. Final CDC mortality estimates will be higher than counts of deaths associated with confirmed cases.

[BDKJMU]

We've been hearing 12-18 months for several months now. I know the 1st trials started in Jan.. Eventually its got to change to 10-16, or 9-15 months, or something. There's probably never been this much worldwide effort put into to developing a vaccine. With dozens of worldwide trials, odds are I think we'll get one in record, or near record time, probably sometime 2021. Heard last month some doc claiming the record is 20 months, forgot what vaccine.

But yeah, there's a slim chance we might never get one. Because of that possibility, you can't keep your lives upside down until a vaccine. That's why when we get mass testing (there now) for the virus and antibodies (soon), proven therapeutics (probably this year), we have to return to life before: packed restaurants & bars, full stadiums, churches, events, etc. We'll develop herd immunity under a flattened curve, and life will go on..

You are assuming that the first vaccine to be tested will work. It may be that the first 1, 2, 3, etc. fail and the one that works is developed from the lessons learned in the early ones.

So when does 12-18 months turn into 9-15 months?

[BDKJMU]

Haven't verified but this is going around on Twitter -

Michigan governor's order bans the sale of kid's car seats.

Video Bass Pro e-mailed yesterday to all of its account holders:

[BDKJMU]

Even this liberal anti Trumper gets it:

[Col Hogan]

Anyone with “African contacts” ...which means any black person, is being targeted in China and blamed for the re-emerging Wuhan Virus...

African officials are confronting China publicly and in private over racist mistreatment of Africans in the Chinese city of Guangzhou, and the U.S. says African-Americans have been targeted too.

Some Africans in the commercial hub have reported being evicted or discriminated against amid coronavirus fears. And a U.S. Embassy security alert on Saturday said that “police ordered bars and restaurants not to serve clients who appear to be of African origin,” and local officials have launched mandatory testing and self-quarantine for “anyone with ‘African contacts

.’”

https://apnews.com/776dec4ec1d06779a34ecc5c4863d427

[Col Hogan]

Haven't verified but this is going around on Twitter -

Michigan governor's order bans the sale of kid's car seats.

Video Bass Pro e-mailed yesterday to all of its account holders:

Seeds are also a banned item in Michigan...