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You don't spend much time on social media, do you? :rofl: :rofl:

Those who get "offended" by opposing points of view are OVERWHELMINGLY liberal SJW's. They are the most easily offended group on the planet.
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ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:37 am
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I spend WAY too much time on it. Let’s just say I have way too may friends and it’s a very eclectic mix politically. I’ve never unfriended someone but I’m considering it now. From my view by far the most emotionally irrational and uniformed vages are my conservative friends. The liberal friends are more measured and studious...”here’s some good information...this sucks, but we’ll get through it and come out smarter in the end” type of stuff.
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kalm wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:26 am From my view by far the most emotionally irrational and uniformed vages are my conservative friends. The liberal friends are more measured and studious...”here’s some good information...this sucks, but we’ll get through it and come out smarter in the end” type of stuff.
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kalm wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:26 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:59 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You don't spend much time on social media, do you? :rofl: :rofl:

Those who get "offended" by opposing points of view are OVERWHELMINGLY liberal SJW's. They are the most easily offended group on the planet.
I spend WAY too much time on it. Let’s just say I have way too may friends and it’s a very eclectic mix politically. I’ve never unfriended someone but I’m considering it now. From my view by far the most emotionally irrational and uniformed vages are my conservative friends. The liberal friends are more measured and studious...”here’s some good information...this sucks, but we’ll get through it and come out smarter in the end” type of stuff.
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kalm wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:26 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:59 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You don't spend much time on social media, do you? :rofl: :rofl:

Those who get "offended" by opposing points of view are OVERWHELMINGLY liberal SJW's. They are the most easily offended group on the planet.
I spend WAY too much time on it. Let’s just say I have way too may friends and it’s a very eclectic mix politically. I’ve never unfriended someone but I’m considering it now. From my view by far the most emotionally irrational and uniformed vages are my conservative friends. The liberal friends are more measured and studious...”here’s some good information...this sucks, but we’ll get through it and come out smarter in the end” type of stuff.
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HI54UNI wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 10:06 am
kalm wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:26 am

I spend WAY too much time on it. Let’s just say I have way too may friends and it’s a very eclectic mix politically. I’ve never unfriended someone but I’m considering it now. From my view by far the most emotionally irrational and uniformed vages are my conservative friends. The liberal friends are more measured and studious...”here’s some good information...this sucks, but we’ll get through it and come out smarter in the end” type of stuff.
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Good article here from ABCNews, going over how surprisingly hospitals were/are one of the hardest hit parts of the economy as a result of the pandemic, which of course is the one sector you don't want hindered during a pandemic. The one part that caught me was how much it's been hit...
Recent data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that even with so many in health care working tirelessly to combat COVID-19, job losses in health care are second only to the leisure and hospitality sector.
The second hardest hit industry - that's crazy. With all the talk of re-opening things, I don't think there's been enough done to re-open hospitals and to make the case that going to the hospital is safe. There's such fear out there that hospitals are basically germ centers at this point that people are refusing to go to hospitals even if they're having a hear attack or a stroke. Heard on NPR the other day the story of a 40 some year old woman who spent 5 days at home having a stroke before finally going to the hospital, and by then there was so much damage they couldn't save her, when normally her condition was very recoverable if treated early.

People think that hospitals have been overrun, people think that hospitals are fill with Covid patients right now, and the fault for that lies with every leader out there at every level and it lies with the media. And in the push to get people back to work we haven't made this a big enough issue.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19- ... s_card_hed
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GannonFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:50 am Good article here from ABCNews, going over how surprisingly hospitals were/are one of the hardest hit parts of the economy as a result of the pandemic, which of course is the one sector you don't want hindered during a pandemic. The one part that caught me was how much it's been hit...
Recent data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that even with so many in health care working tirelessly to combat COVID-19, job losses in health care are second only to the leisure and hospitality sector.
The second hardest hit industry - that's crazy. With all the talk of re-opening things, I don't think there's been enough done to re-open hospitals and to make the case that going to the hospital is safe. There's such fear out there that hospitals are basically germ centers at this point that people are refusing to go to hospitals even if they're having a hear attack or a stroke. Heard on NPR the other day the story of a 40 some year old woman who spent 5 days at home having a stroke before finally going to the hospital, and by then there was so much damage they couldn't save her, when normally her condition was very recoverable if treated early.

People think that hospitals have been overrun, people think that hospitals are fill with Covid patients right now, and the fault for that lies with every leader out there at every level and it lies with the media. And in the push to get people back to work we haven't made this a big enough issue.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19- ... s_card_hed
Minnesota Governor never said the hospitals were full, he specifically said they were trying to keep the hospital ICU units and ventilators available for anyone that needs it. Shelter in place has helped with that tremendously here. Minnesota is peaking at present with 20-30 deaths per day and over 700 confirmed new cases per day, the 2 days. If the 500 people that died had needed these ICU rooms in the same week, Minnesota would have had many more deaths. There were a lot more that used these ICU beds and lived, because they were available. I believe the Governor said there were around 230 ICU beds available when he first addressed the subject back in April. Mayo Clinic also has a couple arena's full of beds, just in case they are needed.
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kalm wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:26 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 8:59 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You don't spend much time on social media, do you? :rofl: :rofl:

Those who get "offended" by opposing points of view are OVERWHELMINGLY liberal SJW's. They are the most easily offended group on the planet.
I spend WAY too much time on it. Let’s just say I have way too may friends and it’s a very eclectic mix politically. I’ve never unfriended someone but I’m considering it now. From my view by far the most emotionally irrational and uniformed vages are my conservative friends. The liberal friends are more measured and studious...”here’s some good information...this sucks, but we’ll get through it and come out smarter in the end” type of stuff.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:02 pm
GannonFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 11:50 am Good article here from ABCNews, going over how surprisingly hospitals were/are one of the hardest hit parts of the economy as a result of the pandemic, which of course is the one sector you don't want hindered during a pandemic. The one part that caught me was how much it's been hit...

The second hardest hit industry - that's crazy. With all the talk of re-opening things, I don't think there's been enough done to re-open hospitals and to make the case that going to the hospital is safe. There's such fear out there that hospitals are basically germ centers at this point that people are refusing to go to hospitals even if they're having a hear attack or a stroke. Heard on NPR the other day the story of a 40 some year old woman who spent 5 days at home having a stroke before finally going to the hospital, and by then there was so much damage they couldn't save her, when normally her condition was very recoverable if treated early.

People think that hospitals have been overrun, people think that hospitals are fill with Covid patients right now, and the fault for that lies with every leader out there at every level and it lies with the media. And in the push to get people back to work we haven't made this a big enough issue.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19- ... s_card_hed
Minnesota Governor never said the hospitals were full, he specifically said they were trying to keep the hospital ICU units and ventilators available for anyone that needs it. Shelter in place has helped with that tremendously here. Minnesota is peaking at present with 20-30 deaths per day and over 700 confirmed new cases per day, the 2 days. If the 500 people that died had needed these ICU rooms in the same week, Minnesota would have had many more deaths. There were a lot more that used these ICU beds and lived, because they were available. I believe the Governor said there were around 230 ICU beds available when he first addressed the subject back in April. Mayo Clinic also has a couple arena's full of beds, just in case they are needed.
So it's ok to let people with coronary and other conditions be too scared to go to the hospital in order to save beds for potential COVID-19 patients?

Preventative measures have killed people and will continue to kill people. We need to stop being heat seeking, panic missiles about this virus and find a good balance between the positive and negative impacts of prevention and opening up. Putting too much focus on the benefits of prevention is short-sighted and stupid.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:19 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:02 pm

Minnesota Governor never said the hospitals were full, he specifically said they were trying to keep the hospital ICU units and ventilators available for anyone that needs it. Shelter in place has helped with that tremendously here. Minnesota is peaking at present with 20-30 deaths per day and over 700 confirmed new cases per day, the 2 days. If the 500 people that died had needed these ICU rooms in the same week, Minnesota would have had many more deaths. There were a lot more that used these ICU beds and lived, because they were available. I believe the Governor said there were around 230 ICU beds available when he first addressed the subject back in April. Mayo Clinic also has a couple arena's full of beds, just in case they are needed.
So it's ok to let people with coronary and other conditions be too scared to go to the hospital in order to save beds for potential COVID-19 patients?

Preventative measures have killed people and will continue to kill people. We need to stop being heat seeking, panic missiles about this virus and find a good balance between the positive and negative impacts of prevention and opening up. Putting too much focus on the benefits of prevention is short-sighted and stupid.
Not so fast. I spoke with my Dr, and he said the hospital he is connected with has the COVID-19 patients separate. Mayo is still open for business but will have the COVID-19 patients separated. The Governor didn't want the ICU Unites over-run by COVID-19 patients. Some voluntary procedures were put on hold.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:19 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:02 pm

Minnesota Governor never said the hospitals were full, he specifically said they were trying to keep the hospital ICU units and ventilators available for anyone that needs it. Shelter in place has helped with that tremendously here. Minnesota is peaking at present with 20-30 deaths per day and over 700 confirmed new cases per day, the 2 days. If the 500 people that died had needed these ICU rooms in the same week, Minnesota would have had many more deaths. There were a lot more that used these ICU beds and lived, because they were available. I believe the Governor said there were around 230 ICU beds available when he first addressed the subject back in April. Mayo Clinic also has a couple arena's full of beds, just in case they are needed.
So it's ok to let people with coronary and other conditions be too scared to go to the hospital in order to save beds for potential COVID-19 patients?

Preventative measures have killed people and will continue to kill people. We need to stop being heat seeking, panic missiles about this virus and find a good balance between the positive and negative impacts of prevention and opening up. Putting too much focus on the benefits of prevention is short-sighted and stupid.
Agreed, the stories you're only starting to hear now are the ER's being eerily quiet and that the daily heart attacks and strokes that were happening before COVID are mysteriously no longer happening. Obviously they are, they're just happening at home now and staying there. Again, the message needs to be that hospitals need to open up, every elective procedure or visit that was going to happen should happen, and that visiting a hospital, even in the shelter in place mandate, should be allowed and should be encouraged. We've done a great job of making sure people are worried about getting Covid, but we've gone so far in doing that that people aren't trustful of venturing out and not dying. Great for shelter in place, terrible for getting people to the care they should be getting. And when the second wave and the third wave and all the successive waves hit that will hit pretty much no matter what until we have a vaccine or a reasonable treatment, those waves will hit hospitals with fewer and fewer resources and personnel, and could be worse as a result, because we acted with an "abundance of caution" right now rather than with some forward thinking rational thought.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:24 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:19 pm
So it's ok to let people with coronary and other conditions be too scared to go to the hospital in order to save beds for potential COVID-19 patients?

Preventative measures have killed people and will continue to kill people. We need to stop being heat seeking, panic missiles about this virus and find a good balance between the positive and negative impacts of prevention and opening up. Putting too much focus on the benefits of prevention is short-sighted and stupid.
Not so fast. I spoke with my Dr, and he said the hospital he is connected with has the COVID-19 patients separate. Mayo is still open for business but will have the COVID-19 patients separated. The Governor didn't want the ICU Unites over-run by COVID-19 patients. Some voluntary procedures were put on hold.
Doctors and hospitals have the capacity but a lot of people are either afraid to go or think that they're focused on COVID-19 and won't see them. I talked to the doctor's office on Monday and had an appointment for Tuesday morning. There was one other person in the waiting room when I got there and no one when I was called in for my appointment. It's anecdotal but I'm pretty sure it represents what is normal right now. I would guess that strokes, heart attacks, etc. aren't just happening but they're increasing because people aren't seeking care as soon as they should. The scare tactics aren't just saving lives, they're also costing lives. And you could argue that COVID-19 is going to kill roughly the same number of people, it's more a question of when those deaths are going to occur (flattening the curve extends the curve so death tolls will be similar) so the lives lost due to prevention might be the greater tragedy.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:43 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:24 pm

Not so fast. I spoke with my Dr, and he said the hospital he is connected with has the COVID-19 patients separate. Mayo is still open for business but will have the COVID-19 patients separated. The Governor didn't want the ICU Unites over-run by COVID-19 patients. Some voluntary procedures were put on hold.
Doctors and hospitals have the capacity but a lot of people are either afraid to go or think that they're focused on COVID-19 and won't see them. I talked to the doctor's office on Monday and had an appointment for Tuesday morning. There was one other person in the waiting room when I got there and no one when I was called in for my appointment. It's anecdotal but I'm pretty sure it represents what is normal right now. I would guess that strokes, heart attacks, etc. aren't just happening but they're increasing because people aren't seeking care as soon as they should. The scare tactics aren't just saving lives, they're also costing lives. And you could argue that COVID-19 is going to kill roughly the same number of people, it's more a question of when those deaths are going to occur (flattening the curve extends the curve so death tolls will be similar) so the lives lost due to prevention might be the greater tragedy.
Most office visits are currently virtual during this COVID Winter. I believe strokes and heart attacks are happening. My buddy just had an epileptic seizure where the ambulance came out. I see ambulances going down the road with light on. People are not afraid, they are using common sense.

I don't view shelter in place as scare tactics, they are tactics that are giving more people a chance to survive and that's what the Governor stressed. More people can be treated with a flattening of the curve. Since this all started, there are developing treatments that appear to be working, like remdesivir. We are learning as we go.
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And here's a doozy of an article from the BBC. Thankfully it was published in the UK - if a similar article was published here it would quickly be sorted in the category of far-right news and be dismissed as pro-Trump propaganda. Since we only view our news as partisan for whichever side of the political aisle we position ourselves on, it's not surprising that anything around the pandemic is viewed that way too.

But for the article, it does basically talk about what we've talked about here - generally, for the under 65 group, we have way overreacted to this virus. The danger is clearly there for the over-65 group, and that's real and important, but that we're hitting this thing with the sledgehammer when we probably should've been far more judicial about how to attack this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52543692
Our constant focus on the most negative impacts of the epidemic means we have "lost sight" of the fact the virus causes a mild to moderate illness for many, says Dr Amitava Banerjee, of University College London.

The expert in clinical data science believes it is important not to jump to conclusions about the deaths of younger, seemingly healthy adults. Some could have had health conditions that had not been diagnosed, he says.

But he admits there will be otherwise healthy people who have died - as happens with everything from heart attacks to flu.

In future, we need to stop looking at coronavirus through such a "narrow lens", he says. Instead we should take more account of the indirect costs, such as rising rates of domestic violence in lockdown, mental health problems and the lack of access to health care more generally.
Good hand-hygiene, isolating when you have symptoms and voluntary social distancing where possible would be needed. But people could return to work, and school - in a matter of months. The majority could even be eating in restaurants and going to cinemas.

For the non-vulnerable population, coronavirus carries no more risk than a "nasty flu", says Prof Mark Woolhouse, an expert in infectious disease who led the research.
Cambridge University statistician Prof Sir David Spiegelhalter has highlighted evidence which shows the risk of dying from coronavirus is very similar to the underlying risk people of all age groups from early 20s upwards have of dying anyway.
For children, as you can see on the graph, the risk from the virus is so small that you might be better off worrying about other things. After the first year of life cancers, accidents and self-harm are the leading causes of death.

Researchers from Stanford University in the US have been trying to count the risk another way - equating it to that which we face from dying while driving.

In the UK, they calculate that those under the age of 65 have faced the same risk over the past few months from coronavirus as they would have faced from driving 185 miles a day - the equivalent of commuting from Swindon to London.

Strip out the under-65s with health conditions - about one in 16 - and the risk is even lower, with deaths in non-vulnerable groups being "remarkably uncommon".
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:09 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 12:43 pm

Doctors and hospitals have the capacity but a lot of people are either afraid to go or think that they're focused on COVID-19 and won't see them. I talked to the doctor's office on Monday and had an appointment for Tuesday morning. There was one other person in the waiting room when I got there and no one when I was called in for my appointment. It's anecdotal but I'm pretty sure it represents what is normal right now. I would guess that strokes, heart attacks, etc. aren't just happening but they're increasing because people aren't seeking care as soon as they should. The scare tactics aren't just saving lives, they're also costing lives. And you could argue that COVID-19 is going to kill roughly the same number of people, it's more a question of when those deaths are going to occur (flattening the curve extends the curve so death tolls will be similar) so the lives lost due to prevention might be the greater tragedy.
Most office visits are currently virtual during this COVID Winter. I believe strokes and heart attacks are happening. My buddy just had an epileptic seizure where the ambulance came out. I see ambulances going down the road with light on. People are not afraid, they are using common sense.

I don't view shelter in place as scare tactics, they are tactics that are giving more people a chance to survive and that's what the Governor stressed. More people can be treated with a flattening of the curve. Since this all started, there are developing treatments that appear to be working, like remdesivir. We are learning as we go.
While virtual office visits work in some cases, they don't work all the time and they don't work in a lot of cases. Heck, my son (14) is going through allergy immunotherapy and he's had to put off getting those shots he routinely got once a month - and he's in the maintenance part of that therapy and luckily not the early part when you needed shots every week. Those poor souls have to start all over again. Interesting you brought up epilepsy, as NPR had a story with a guy who had epilepsy and he was not going to the hospital after minor occurrences like he normally would because he was scared of going to the hospital and getting COVID - in the absence of care, the events got worse and he had a bad one and badly injured himself falling. How is that not afraid and instead using common sense? Of course the guy was afraid, as many are.

I'm not saying that people are intending shelter in place to be scare tactics, at least I hope those in charge aren't using them that way, but they certainly have the impact of being scare tactics. And the evidence of that is clear as day - again, the health care industry is second only to tourism and leisure in terms of hardest hit for layoffs. We're crippling our health care industry just at the moment that we're going to need them the most. And some of these aren't going to be coming back. That's why I said in my earlier post that we need to make this a priority, we need to get people back to seeing their doctors and that we can get people to the hospitals without them being filled with dread that they'll die when they're there.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:22 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:09 pm

Most office visits are currently virtual during this COVID Winter. I believe strokes and heart attacks are happening. My buddy just had an epileptic seizure where the ambulance came out. I see ambulances going down the road with light on. People are not afraid, they are using common sense.

I don't view shelter in place as scare tactics, they are tactics that are giving more people a chance to survive and that's what the Governor stressed. More people can be treated with a flattening of the curve. Since this all started, there are developing treatments that appear to be working, like remdesivir. We are learning as we go.
While virtual office visits work in some cases, they don't work all the time and they don't work in a lot of cases. Heck, my son (14) is going through allergy immunotherapy and he's had to put off getting those shots he routinely got once a month - and he's in the maintenance part of that therapy and luckily not the early part when you needed shots every week. Those poor souls have to start all over again. Interesting you brought up epilepsy, as NPR had a story with a guy who had epilepsy and he was not going to the hospital after minor occurrences like he normally would because he was scared of going to the hospital and getting COVID - in the absence of care, the events got worse and he had a bad one and badly injured himself falling. How is that not afraid and instead using common sense? Of course the guy was afraid, as many are.

I'm not saying that people are intending shelter in place to be scare tactics, at least I hope those in charge aren't using them that way, but they certainly have the impact of being scare tactics. And the evidence of that is clear as day - again, the health care industry is second only to tourism and leisure in terms of hardest hit for layoffs. We're crippling our health care industry just at the moment that we're going to need them the most. And some of these aren't going to be coming back. That's why I said in my earlier post that we need to make this a priority, we need to get people back to seeing their doctors and that we can get people to the hospitals without them being filled with dread that they'll die when they're there.
My point about virtual office visits, wasn't about if they worked or not. It was about why 88 saw so few people in the office. The scare tactics come from the news media, just watch CNN for 5 minutes of Fox for 5 minutes. CNN didn't decide on the shelter in place though, it works. Even Moscow locked down, and you know the media didn't influence anyone there.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:31 am
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You don't spend much time on social media, do you? :rofl: :rofl:

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Coming from someone who's easily offended, that's rich.. :lol:
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Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:36 pm
GannonFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:22 pm
While virtual office visits work in some cases, they don't work all the time and they don't work in a lot of cases. Heck, my son (14) is going through allergy immunotherapy and he's had to put off getting those shots he routinely got once a month - and he's in the maintenance part of that therapy and luckily not the early part when you needed shots every week. Those poor souls have to start all over again. Interesting you brought up epilepsy, as NPR had a story with a guy who had epilepsy and he was not going to the hospital after minor occurrences like he normally would because he was scared of going to the hospital and getting COVID - in the absence of care, the events got worse and he had a bad one and badly injured himself falling. How is that not afraid and instead using common sense? Of course the guy was afraid, as many are.

I'm not saying that people are intending shelter in place to be scare tactics, at least I hope those in charge aren't using them that way, but they certainly have the impact of being scare tactics. And the evidence of that is clear as day - again, the health care industry is second only to tourism and leisure in terms of hardest hit for layoffs. We're crippling our health care industry just at the moment that we're going to need them the most. And some of these aren't going to be coming back. That's why I said in my earlier post that we need to make this a priority, we need to get people back to seeing their doctors and that we can get people to the hospitals without them being filled with dread that they'll die when they're there.
My point about virtual office visits, wasn't about if they worked or not. It was about why 88 saw so few people in the office. The scare tactics come from the news media, just watch CNN for 5 minutes of Fox for 5 minutes. CNN didn't decide on the shelter in place though, it works. Even Moscow locked down, and you know the media didn't influence anyone there.
My doctor is capable of doing televisits but he is operating below capacity. If his office doesn't have enough patients can he continue to employ the same number of nurses and technicians?

"They are tactics that are giving more people a chance to survive" COVID-19 but they are also costing lives. While you are ok with slowly opening things up you seem to refuse to acknowledge the flip side of the tactics - the lives lost and damaged. That is happening and will continue to happen. Every day that we focus primarily on saving lives from COVID-19 other lives will be lost and the snowball is getting bigger and rolling down the hill faster every day that the restrictions are kept in place.

Finding the right balance is critical to saving the most lives possible.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:49 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 9:31 am
BDKKK being the CS exception to the rule?
Coming from someone who's easily offended, that's rich.. :lol:
Maybe I'm easily offended or maybe I find a special joy in pointing out hypocrisy and turning the tables on posters who focus on nitpicky details but miss the big picture.
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GannonFan wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:14 pm And here's a doozy of an article from the BBC. Thankfully it was published in the UK - if a similar article was published here it would quickly be sorted in the category of far-right news and be dismissed as pro-Trump propaganda. Since we only view our news as partisan for whichever side of the political aisle we position ourselves on, it's not surprising that anything around the pandemic is viewed that way too.

But for the article, it does basically talk about what we've talked about here - generally, for the under 65 group, we have way overreacted to this virus. The danger is clearly there for the over-65 group, and that's real and important, but that we're hitting this thing with the sledgehammer when we probably should've been far more judicial about how to attack this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52543692
Our constant focus on the most negative impacts of the epidemic means we have "lost sight" of the fact the virus causes a mild to moderate illness for many, says Dr Amitava Banerjee, of University College London.

The expert in clinical data science believes it is important not to jump to conclusions about the deaths of younger, seemingly healthy adults. Some could have had health conditions that had not been diagnosed, he says.

But he admits there will be otherwise healthy people who have died - as happens with everything from heart attacks to flu.

In future, we need to stop looking at coronavirus through such a "narrow lens", he says. Instead we should take more account of the indirect costs, such as rising rates of domestic violence in lockdown, mental health problems and the lack of access to health care more generally.
Good hand-hygiene, isolating when you have symptoms and voluntary social distancing where possible would be needed. But people could return to work, and school - in a matter of months. The majority could even be eating in restaurants and going to cinemas.

For the non-vulnerable population, coronavirus carries no more risk than a "nasty flu", says Prof Mark Woolhouse, an expert in infectious disease who led the research.
Cambridge University statistician Prof Sir David Spiegelhalter has highlighted evidence which shows the risk of dying from coronavirus is very similar to the underlying risk people of all age groups from early 20s upwards have of dying anyway.
For children, as you can see on the graph, the risk from the virus is so small that you might be better off worrying about other things. After the first year of life cancers, accidents and self-harm are the leading causes of death.

Researchers from Stanford University in the US have been trying to count the risk another way - equating it to that which we face from dying while driving.

In the UK, they calculate that those under the age of 65 have faced the same risk over the past few months from coronavirus as they would have faced from driving 185 miles a day - the equivalent of commuting from Swindon to London.

Strip out the under-65s with health conditions - about one in 16 - and the risk is even lower, with deaths in non-vulnerable groups being "remarkably uncommon".
I don't want this to slip through the cracks because of other discussions.

Where's that heat seeking, panic missile, Kalm with an opinion? :D
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UNI88 wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:51 pm
Gil Dobie wrote: Thu May 07, 2020 1:36 pm

My point about virtual office visits, wasn't about if they worked or not. It was about why 88 saw so few people in the office. The scare tactics come from the news media, just watch CNN for 5 minutes of Fox for 5 minutes. CNN didn't decide on the shelter in place though, it works. Even Moscow locked down, and you know the media didn't influence anyone there.
My doctor is capable of doing televisits but he is operating below capacity. If his office doesn't have enough patients can he continue to employ the same number of nurses and technicians?

"They are tactics that are giving more people a chance to survive" COVID-19 but they are also costing lives. While you are ok with slowly opening things up you seem to refuse to acknowledge the flip side of the tactics - the lives lost and damaged. That is happening and will continue to happen. Every day that we focus primarily on saving lives from COVID-19 other lives will be lost and the snowball is getting bigger and rolling down the hill faster every day that the restrictions are kept in place.

Finding the right balance is critical to saving the most lives possible.
Isn't that what cautiously opening up the country does?
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