Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

It also needs a current rate of infection map.

A post vaccine economic recovery map might be interesting as well.

You forgot the percentage increase in porn viewing during shelter-in-place map.

No I didn’t.

[SDHornet]

Most of America has a rising number of cases. Minnesota and Alabama are the top 2.

How do those rising number coincide with tests being conducted?

[Gil Dobie]

Most of America has a rising number of cases. Minnesota and Alabama are the top 2.

How do those rising number coincide with tests being conducted?

I'm sure testing is up. Montana has the lowest rise in cases.

[CitadelGrad]

Thanks, Cuomo and DeBlasio. You cvnts.

[JohnStOnge]

COVID-19 may be killing significantly more people under 65 than the flu typically does even though the proportion of COVID-19 deaths involving people under 65 is small.

We've talked about the CDC Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19 at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. As previously noted the data are from death certificates and are "behind" to some extent. Therefore the total death count is much smaller than the CDC total death count at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html.

However there is some interesting information on how things compare to each other. One is COVID-19 vs. influenza. Go to https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. Scroll down to "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header to display it. Compare the data in the "COVID-19 Deaths" column to the data in the "Influenza Deaths" column.

Note that, at the start of the period, there were more influenza deaths each week than COVID-19 deaths. But around late March COVID-19 deaths jumped up dramatically.

Now scroll back up and click on the "Provisional Deaths by Demographic and Geographic Characteristics" link. Scroll down to the header for "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header.

If you do the math, you will find that 79% of the COVID-19 deaths reported are among people who were 65 years old and older. However, if you do some more math you will see that, in spite of that, the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 (7653), is 31% higher than the TOTAL number of influenza deaths (5,846) reported for the same period. Also, the number of COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 is almost 4 times (3.73 times) the number of influenza deaths among people younger than 65 over the same period.

The numbers of weekly influenza deaths wane at the end of the period. That is to be expected as influenza is seasonal. However, I think it's reasonable to believe that the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among those less than 65 years old during, say, the week ending February 1 through the week ending April 11 significantly exceeded the number of reported influenza deaths among those less than 65 years old during the same period. If we use the overall proportions of those less than 65 among the deaths reported in the age groups table and the numbers in the weekly cases table to get rough estimates of deaths among those less than 65 during the time period through the week ending April 11, we estimate 5,141 COVID-19 deaths and 1,983 influenza deaths among those less than 65.

NOTE: The total number of deaths as well as the numbers for each cause of death in the age groups table are smaller than the corresponding numbers in the weekly cases table. One can speculate on the reason for that. But I don't think it changes the basic picture.

[89Hen]

this genocide.

It's like you can't help yourself.

[AZGrizFan]

COVID-19 may be killing significantly more people under 65 than the flu typically does even though the proportion of COVID-19 deaths involving people under 65 is small.

We've talked about the CDC Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19 at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. As previously noted the data are from death certificates and are "behind" to some extent. Therefore the total death count is much smaller than the CDC total death count at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html.

However there is some interesting information on how things compare to each other. One is COVID-19 vs. influenza. Go to https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. Scroll down to "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header to display it. Compare the data in the "COVID-19 Deaths" column to the data in the "Influenza Deaths" column.

Note that, at the start of the period, there were more influenza deaths each week than COVID-19 deaths. But around late March COVID-19 deaths jumped up dramatically.

Now scroll back up and click on the "Provisional Deaths by Demographic and Geographic Characteristics" link. Scroll down to the header for "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header.

If you do the math, you will find that 79% of the COVID-19 deaths reported are among people who were 65 years old and older. However, if you do some more math you will see that, in spite of that, the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 (7653), is 31% higher than the TOTAL number of influenza deaths (5,846) reported for the same period. Also, the number of COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 is almost 4 times (3.73 times) the number of influenza deaths among people younger than 65 over the same period.

The numbers of weekly influenza deaths wane at the end of the period. That is to be expected as influenza is seasonal. However, I think it's reasonable to believe that the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among those less than 65 years old during, say, the week ending February 1 through the week ending April 11 significantly exceeded the number of reported influenza deaths among those less than 65 years old during the same period. If we use the overall proportions of those less than 65 among the deaths reported in the age groups table and the numbers in the weekly cases table to get rough estimates of deaths among those less than 65 during the time period through the week ending April 11, we estimate 5,141 COVID-19 deaths and 1,983 influenza deaths among those less than 65.

NOTE: The total number of deaths as well as the numbers for each cause of death in the age groups table are smaller than the corresponding numbers in the weekly cases table. One can speculate on the reason for that. But I don't think it changes the basic picture.

Jesus Christ you're a simpleton. Yeah, COVID magically has cured the flu. It's a fucking Easter miracle.

[93henfan]

Borrowed from FB:

My biggest fear is getting a murder hornet stuck in my face mask while shoveling snow on a Saturday morning in mid-May.

[CID1990]

COVID-19 may be killing significantly more people under 65 than the flu typically does even though the proportion of COVID-19 deaths involving people under 65 is small.

We've talked about the CDC Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19 at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. As previously noted the data are from death certificates and are "behind" to some extent. Therefore the total death count is much smaller than the CDC total death count at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html.

However there is some interesting information on how things compare to each other. One is COVID-19 vs. influenza. Go to https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. Scroll down to "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header to display it. Compare the data in the "COVID-19 Deaths" column to the data in the "Influenza Deaths" column.

Note that, at the start of the period, there were more influenza deaths each week than COVID-19 deaths. But around late March COVID-19 deaths jumped up dramatically.

Now scroll back up and click on the "Provisional Deaths by Demographic and Geographic Characteristics" link. Scroll down to the header for "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header.

If you do the math, you will find that 79% of the COVID-19 deaths reported are among people who were 65 years old and older. However, if you do some more math you will see that, in spite of that, the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 (7653), is 31% higher than the TOTAL number of influenza deaths (5,846) reported for the same period. Also, the number of COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 is almost 4 times (3.73 times) the number of influenza deaths among people younger than 65 over the same period.

The numbers of weekly influenza deaths wane at the end of the period. That is to be expected as influenza is seasonal. However, I think it's reasonable to believe that the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among those less than 65 years old during, say, the week ending February 1 through the week ending April 11 significantly exceeded the number of reported influenza deaths among those less than 65 years old during the same period. If we use the overall proportions of those less than 65 among the deaths reported in the age groups table and the numbers in the weekly cases table to get rough estimates of deaths among those less than 65 during the time period through the week ending April 11, we estimate 5,141 COVID-19 deaths and 1,983 influenza deaths among those less than 65.

NOTE: The total number of deaths as well as the numbers for each cause of death in the age groups table are smaller than the corresponding numbers in the weekly cases table. One can speculate on the reason for that. But I don't think it changes the basic picture.

If you’re trying to rehabilitate yourself and get people to read what you write, you should attempt brevity

[mainejeff]

[89Hen]

Video wouldn't play but I'm not sure I understand the beef here. Testing negative and then actually catching it the next day IS a very bad option. You think you're clear, so you go about like normal. Am I missing something or was this a non-story?

[AZGrizFan]

Yet another study, this one in AZ. Coming up with a 3.5% infection rate....which translates to over 250,000 cases in AZ alone (they have just over 10,000 confirmed cases). With 532 deaths, their death rate becomes .214%.

You seriously can’t make this shit up. That’s about the 8th or 9th study that have all shown the same basic thing....

[houndawg]

Yet another study, this one in AZ. Coming up with a 3.5% infection rate....which translates to over 250,000 cases in AZ alone (they have just over 10,000 confirmed cases). With 532 deaths, their death rate becomes .214%.

You seriously can’t make this shit up. That’s about the 8th or 9th study that have all shown the same basic thing....

You can sense the panic up high at the thought of labor deciding its nice to have some spare time

[JohnStOnge]

COVID-19 may be killing significantly more people under 65 than the flu typically does even though the proportion of COVID-19 deaths involving people under 65 is small.

We've talked about the CDC Provisional Death Counts for COVID-19 at https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. As previously noted the data are from death certificates and are "behind" to some extent. Therefore the total death count is much smaller than the CDC total death count at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... in-us.html.

However there is some interesting information on how things compare to each other. One is COVID-19 vs. influenza. Go to https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm. Scroll down to "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header to display it. Compare the data in the "COVID-19 Deaths" column to the data in the "Influenza Deaths" column.

Note that, at the start of the period, there were more influenza deaths each week than COVID-19 deaths. But around late March COVID-19 deaths jumped up dramatically.

Now scroll back up and click on the "Provisional Deaths by Demographic and Geographic Characteristics" link. Scroll down to the header for "Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by sex and age group. United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/2/2020." If the table isn't displayed click on the header.

If you do the math, you will find that 79% of the COVID-19 deaths reported are among people who were 65 years old and older. However, if you do some more math you will see that, in spite of that, the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 (7653), is 31% higher than the TOTAL number of influenza deaths (5,846) reported for the same period. Also, the number of COVID-19 deaths among people younger than 65 is almost 4 times (3.73 times) the number of influenza deaths among people younger than 65 over the same period.

The numbers of weekly influenza deaths wane at the end of the period. That is to be expected as influenza is seasonal. However, I think it's reasonable to believe that the number of reported COVID-19 deaths among those less than 65 years old during, say, the week ending February 1 through the week ending April 11 significantly exceeded the number of reported influenza deaths among those less than 65 years old during the same period. If we use the overall proportions of those less than 65 among the deaths reported in the age groups table and the numbers in the weekly cases table to get rough estimates of deaths among those less than 65 during the time period through the week ending April 11, we estimate 5,141 COVID-19 deaths and 1,983 influenza deaths among those less than 65.

NOTE: The total number of deaths as well as the numbers for each cause of death in the age groups table are smaller than the corresponding numbers in the weekly cases table. One can speculate on the reason for that. But I don't think it changes the basic picture.

Jesus Christ you're a simpleton. Yeah, COVID magically has cured the flu. It's a fucking Easter miracle.

I have no idea as to why you think those data suggest that COVID cured the flu. The point is that it's way worse than the flu. It has been killing way more people in general as well as way more people <65 than the flu has been killing.

[JohnStOnge]

Yet another study, this one in AZ. Coming up with a 3.5% infection rate....which translates to over 250,000 cases in AZ alone (they have just over 10,000 confirmed cases). With 532 deaths, their death rate becomes .214%.

You seriously can’t make this shit up. That’s about the 8th or 9th study that have all shown the same basic thing....

Everybody knows the true death rate is lower than the death rate among confirmed and presumed counted cases. But the bottom line is still that the total number of COUNTED deaths is now higher than the number of ESTIMATED deaths from influenza during the worst influenza season in decades (2017/2018). And it is rapidly heading for exceeding the upper limit of uncertainty for that estimate (90,000).

Also, while it's true that we need to recognize that most cases have not been counted, we also need to be aware of what the death rate among counted cases that have been resolved is. In the United States we are currently at 1,347,309 cases and 80,037 deaths according to Worldometers. That's a 6% death rate based on cases/deaths. However, if you only look at cases that have been resolved...where people have either recovered or died... the percentage of those cases composed of people who died is 25% (80.037 of 238,078).

[kalm]

Borrowed from FB:

My biggest fear is getting a murder hornet stuck in my face mask while shoveling snow on a Saturday morning in mid-May.

Wait till you read about the robot dogs that have been sent to patrol national parks for compliance.

It’s real, man.

[kalm]

Jesus Christ you're a simpleton. Yeah, COVID magically has cured the flu. It's a fucking Easter miracle.

I have no idea as to why you think those data suggest that COVID cured the flu. The point is that it's way worse than the flu. It has been killing way more people in general as well as way more people <65 than the flu has been killing.

Yep.

Those still clinging to the “its the flu” thing even if it all ended tomorrow would be wrong.

[kalm]

Yet another study, this one in AZ. Coming up with a 3.5% infection rate....which translates to over 250,000 cases in AZ alone (they have just over 10,000 confirmed cases). With 532 deaths, their death rate becomes .214%.

You seriously can’t make this shit up. That’s about the 8th or 9th study that have all shown the same basic thing....

Death rate for WA State is 5.5%. Confirmed cases doubled in one day.

https://komonews.com/news/coronavirus/v ... rmed-cases

[Gil Dobie]

Yet another study, this one in AZ. Coming up with a 3.5% infection rate....which translates to over 250,000 cases in AZ alone (they have just over 10,000 confirmed cases). With 532 deaths, their death rate becomes .214%.

You seriously can’t make this shit up. That’s about the 8th or 9th study that have all shown the same basic thing....

Everybody knows the true death rate is lower than the death rate among confirmed and presumed counted cases. But the bottom line is still that the total number of COUNTED deaths is now higher than the number of ESTIMATED deaths from influenza during the worst influenza season in decades (2017/2018). And it is rapidly heading for exceeding the upper limit of uncertainty for that estimate (90,000).

Also, while it's true that we need to recognize that most cases have not been counted, we also need to be aware of what the death rate among counted cases that have been resolved is. In the United States we are currently at 1,347,309 cases and 80,037 deaths according to Worldometers. That's a 6% death rate based on cases/deaths. However, if you only look at cases that have been resolved...where people have either recovered or died... the percentage of those cases composed of people who died is 25% (80.037 of 238,078).

I've noticed the IHME has the United States estimated deaths by Aug 1, now at over 130,000. Looks like Minnesota will peak on May 14. Projected 329 of the 355 ICU beds will be needed.

[AZGrizFan]

I have no idea as to why you think those data suggest that COVID cured the flu. The point is that it's way worse than the flu. It has been killing way more people in general as well as way more people <65 than the flu has been killing.

Yep.

Those still clinging to the “its the flu” thing even if it all ended tomorrow would be wrong.

I've stated at least twice that if the infection rate is 50-80x more than thought, then the death RATE is 50-80x LESS than thought, but it doesn't change the RAW NUMBER OF DEATHS. Point being, it's much more contagious, but much less deadly....

[mainejeff]

We really are the dumbest "developed" cuntry in the world.

[∞∞∞]

We really are the dumbest "developed" cuntry in the world.

I can't understand how these people look at nations mandating masks in public - some boasting a 90% decrease in transmission rates - and still have the audacity to think this way. It's an act of consideration to your fellow man, not a threat to your freedom.

[Gil Dobie]

Yep.

Those still clinging to the “its the flu” thing even if it all ended tomorrow would be wrong.

I've stated at least twice that if the infection rate is 50-80x more than thought, then the death RATE is 50-80x LESS than thought, but it doesn't change the RAW NUMBER OF DEATHS. Point being, it's much more contagious, but much less deadly....

It's not any less deadly, but it can be a terrible ordeal for people with existing health conditions. People with existing conditions are probably taking this shelter in place more seriously than the general healthy individual.

COVID-19 can be deadly for some people. Older adults and people with existing health conditions are more at risk of serious complications, which can be life threatening.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), about 80% of people who develop the disease have mild to moderate symptoms and fully recover without needing treatment in a hospital.

Roughly 1 in 5 people experience serious illness.

Older people may develop more severe symptoms, as may people with ongoing health conditions, such as:

high blood pressure
cardiovascular disease
diabetes
chronic respiratory disease
cancer

[kalm]

We really are the dumbest "developed" cuntry in the world.

I can't understand how these people look at nations mandating masks in public - some boasting a 90% decrease in transmission rates - and still have the audacity to think this way. It's an act of consideration to your fellow man, not a threat to your freedom.

At least one conk seems to get it...



“Dear friends, I am currently hangry and it has been a long week, both of which are signs that I should step away from the keyboard. But I’m not. I would like to go on a profanity laced tirade. I apologize in advance
When did the conservative movement get filled with a bunch of whiny little bitches? Muh freedom! They are making me wear a mask. OMG I can’t go get drunk at my favorite restaurant. Give me liberty or give me coronavirus. Good grief. You people are grifty whiners.
You just managed to stack up the whole of the federal judiciary with a bunch of liberty loving judges. If you really think you’re rights are being violated, file a fucking lawsuit and the odds are really damn good you’ll get in front of one of those liberty loving Trump judges.
But nope. You’d rather get on social media and declare the country has come to an end, our freedoms are gone, and you’re forced to stay inside. Get a grip. There’s a global pandemic and the same president whose leg you like to hump has wanted you to shelter in place“

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1258 ... 21857.html

[AshevilleApp]

I can't understand how these people look at nations mandating masks in public - some boasting a 90% decrease in transmission rates - and still have the audacity to think this way. It's an act of consideration to your fellow man, not a threat to your freedom.

At least one conk seems to get it...



“Dear friends, I am currently hangry and it has been a long week, both of which are signs that I should step away from the keyboard. But I’m not. I would like to go on a profanity laced tirade. I apologize in advance
When did the conservative movement get filled with a bunch of whiny little bitches? Muh freedom! They are making me wear a mask. OMG I can’t go get drunk at my favorite restaurant. Give me liberty or give me coronavirus. Good grief. You people are grifty whiners.
You just managed to stack up the whole of the federal judiciary with a bunch of liberty loving judges. If you really think you’re rights are being violated, file a fucking lawsuit and the odds are really damn good you’ll get in front of one of those liberty loving Trump judges.
But nope. You’d rather get on social media and declare the country has come to an end, our freedoms are gone, and you’re forced to stay inside. Get a grip. There’s a global pandemic and the same president whose leg you like to hump has wanted you to shelter in place“

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1258 ... 21857.html

Is hangry a combination of hungry and mad?