Coronavirus COVID-19

[89Hen]

Looks like we've lost another good man during this crisis. First Gil, now you.

I’m not sure what you’d disagree with here but your surrender is accepted.

Surrender of what? You asked for a definition of "excercise" as it pertains to a religion in the context of why any religion would need to have services during the pandemic. My religion says I must attend every week. It doesn't impact anyone who doesn't want to attend. You seem to want to compare a bunch of people choosing to worship together to somebody practicing their religion of murdering other people.

Dude, you're a mess these days. I worry for you my friend.

[kalm]

I’m not sure what you’d disagree with here but your surrender is accepted.

Surrender of what? You asked for a definition of "excercise" as it pertains to a religion in the context of why any religion would need to have services during the pandemic. My religion says I must attend every week. It doesn't impact anyone who doesn't want to attend. You seem to want to compare a bunch of people choosing to worship together to somebody practicing their religion of murdering other people.

Dude, you're a mess these days. I worry for you my friend.

Some of my points were absurdist examples of what tge constitution says and doesn’t say. ...so relax. I can provide examples if you’d like.

If an outbreak occurs at your church and one of your fellow parishioners infects and kills someone outside your church they come into contact with, will you feel bad.

That’s not a hypothetical btw.



Until your church induces an outbreak which infects people

[89Hen]

Surrender of what? You asked for a definition of "excercise" as it pertains to a religion in the context of why any religion would need to have services during the pandemic. My religion says I must attend every week. It doesn't impact anyone who doesn't want to attend. You seem to want to compare a bunch of people choosing to worship together to somebody practicing their religion of murdering other people.

Dude, you're a mess these days. I worry for you my friend.

Some of my points were absurdist examples of what tge constitution says and doesn’t say. ...so relax. I can provide examples if you’d like.

If an outbreak occurs at your church and one of your fellow parishioners infects and kills someone outside your church they come into contact with, will you feel bad.

That’s not a hypothetical btw.



Until your church induces an outbreak which infects people

I feel bad for anyone that catches it. EVERYONE is infected by ANOTHER person. You're really struggling here.

[kalm]

Some of my points were absurdist examples of what tge constitution says and doesn’t say. ...so relax. I can provide examples if you’d like.

If an outbreak occurs at your church and one of your fellow parishioners infects and kills someone outside your church they come into contact with, will you feel bad.

That’s not a hypothetical btw.



Until your church induces an outbreak which infects people

I feel bad for anyone that catches it. EVERYONE is infected by ANOTHER person. You're really struggling here.

Would feel worse if you knew it could’ve been avoided by worshiping through social distancing?

[CID1990]

A couple of thoughts/questions from a non-biologist ...

We're already approaching 2 months off. Are you advocating for a total of 3 months off or 3 additional months? If it's 3 additional months how do we know that you (or the government) won't tack on 3 more months (i.e. move the goalposts) later?

We could "take three months off, all wearing masks in public, contact tracing like a mofo, etc and we’d be back to schools, churches, and all businesses be re-opened" and a 2nd outbreak could still hit us in the fall. Who's to say that we might not be better off being exposed over the summer?

You're correct that there is a lot we don't know about this virus and because of that we don't know which approach is best.

I was comparing what did happen with places like Vietnam and New Zealand and what did and continues to happen in many states here...especially through the lens of economic recovery and removal of restrictions. And it’s not as if there weren’t economic historical studies back in early April suggesting early and sustained social distancing measures might have better economic outcomes in the mid and long term.

What we do going forward is a different deal now. There’s weeks of lag time between relaxed social distancing and/or herd immunity and increased recorded cases we are already seeing in certain states that were early. Slower phased in reopening and voluntary social distancing might still be enough and I think we’re stuck with that. I hope it is.

Here’s the latest numbers I posted a few weeks back, taken directly from county, state, and national dashboards with a new active case ratio and running weekly change metric.

Vietnam is a dictatorship and they were doing enforced quarantines of anyone arriving in the country for a while there

It is probably a better comparison to compare the US with EU countries


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[89Hen]

I feel bad for anyone that catches it. EVERYONE is infected by ANOTHER person. You're really struggling here.

Would feel worse if you knew it could’ve been avoided by worshiping through social distancing?

I know quite a few folks who would have not died had we not been allowed to drive cars.

You're out of your depth kalm.

[Ivytalk]

89 is kicking ass here.

[Chizzang]

Dude, you're a mess these days. I worry for you my friend.

pandering condescension
Very Trump

I disagree with you - therefore you are insane

[Gil Dobie]

Minnesota numbers stilling climbing.

The state’s pandemic preparedness website as of Friday indicated that 1,045 of 1,257 available ICU beds were occupied by patients with COVID-19 or other unrelated medical conditions — and that another 1,093 beds could be readied within 72 hours.

[kalm]

Would feel worse if you knew it could’ve been avoided by worshiping through social distancing?

I know quite a few folks who would have not died had we not been allowed to drive cars.

You're out of your depth kalm.

When flu comparisons stop making sense, we turn to......auto related deaths?

Nice one, Donnie! Glad you’re within your depth still!



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washin ... utType=amp

Let me know when you’re going to remove the safety features from your car. And let me know when car accidents start overwhelming large scale hospital systems.

[kalm]

Minnesota numbers stilling climbing.

The state’s pandemic preparedness website as of Friday indicated that 1,045 of 1,257 available ICU beds were occupied by patients with COVID-19 or other unrelated medical conditions — and that another 1,093 beds could be readied within 72 hours.

South Dakota revised its active case count numbers and its now 3 times as many as 2 days ago.

[kalm]

I was comparing what did happen with places like Vietnam and New Zealand and what did and continues to happen in many states here...especially through the lens of economic recovery and removal of restrictions. And it’s not as if there weren’t economic historical studies back in early April suggesting early and sustained social distancing measures might have better economic outcomes in the mid and long term.

What we do going forward is a different deal now. There’s weeks of lag time between relaxed social distancing and/or herd immunity and increased recorded cases we are already seeing in certain states that were early. Slower phased in reopening and voluntary social distancing might still be enough and I think we’re stuck with that. I hope it is.

Here’s the latest numbers I posted a few weeks back, taken directly from county, state, and national dashboards with a new active case ratio and running weekly change metric.

Vietnam is a dictatorship and they were doing enforced quarantines of anyone arriving in the country for a while there

It is probably a better comparison to compare the US with EU countries


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No doubt. Click on the worldwide tab and you’ll see we’re kicking ass in that comparison. We’re #1!

I’m not arguing whether we will accept more draconian restrictions. Because of that we’d probably be better off keeping the measures we have in place longer. That probably won’t happen which will also effect the economy.

As always, hope I’m totally wrong.

[CID1990]

Vietnam is a dictatorship and they were doing enforced quarantines of anyone arriving in the country for a while there

It is probably a better comparison to compare the US with EU countries


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No doubt. Click on the worldwide tab and you’ll see we’re kicking ass in that comparison. We’re #1!

I’m not arguing whether we will accept more draconian restrictions. Because of that we’d probably be better off keeping the measures we have in place longer. That probably won’t happen which will also effect the economy.

As always, hope I’m totally wrong.

Be glad that we have issues with containing the virus because we can’t just lock people down by fiat

The people who live in countries like Vietnam, China, and Thailand live under that paradigm every day, every year. They exist at the pleasure of the State.. and they are numbly used to it

American statists today are chafing at people who resist being TOLD what to do. But Americans should celebrate the fact that there are people who chafe at being locked down. It means we haven’t completely lost our libertarian roots

A government that can lock you down today can lock you down every day.

And the definition of “existential” and “public health” can be as open to interpretation as words like “commerce” and “bear arms”

So shilly shally around with it all you like, klam. But leadership is convincing Americans that it is their patriotic duty to wear the mask. Not telling them to do it, or else


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[SeattleGriz]

Klobuchar's husband was coughing up blood and five days later he was released from the hospital. She says that she isn't sure, but he might have taken Hydroxychloroquine. Her answer tells all with her generalities. She sounds like the "Wizard of Uh" answering the question.

[mainejeff]

No doubt. Click on the worldwide tab and you’ll see we’re kicking ass in that comparison. We’re #1!

I’m not arguing whether we will accept more draconian restrictions. Because of that we’d probably be better off keeping the measures we have in place longer. That probably won’t happen which will also effect the economy.

As always, hope I’m totally wrong.

Be glad that we have issues with containing the virus because we can’t just lock people down by fiat

The people who live in countries like Vietnam, China, and Thailand live under that paradigm every day, every year. They exist at the pleasure of the State.. and they are numbly used to it

American statists today are chafing at people who resist being TOLD what to do. But Americans should celebrate the fact that there are people who chafe at being locked down. It means we haven’t completely lost our libertarian roots

A government that can lock you down today can lock you down every day.

And the definition of “existential” and “public health” can be as open to interpretation as words like “commerce” and “bear arms”

So shilly shally around with it all you like, klam. But leadership is convincing Americans that it is their patriotic duty to wear the mask. Not telling them to do it, or else


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If we are going to rely on people doing their "patriotic duty".....we are fucked. The pictures from this past weekend tell us all we need to know.

[SeattleGriz]

Be glad that we have issues with containing the virus because we can’t just lock people down by fiat

The people who live in countries like Vietnam, China, and Thailand live under that paradigm every day, every year. They exist at the pleasure of the State.. and they are numbly used to it

American statists today are chafing at people who resist being TOLD what to do. But Americans should celebrate the fact that there are people who chafe at being locked down. It means we haven’t completely lost our libertarian roots

A government that can lock you down today can lock you down every day.

And the definition of “existential” and “public health” can be as open to interpretation as words like “commerce” and “bear arms”

So shilly shally around with it all you like, klam. But leadership is convincing Americans that it is their patriotic duty to wear the mask. Not telling them to do it, or else


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If we are going to rely on people doing their "patriotic duty".....we are fucked. The pictures from this past weekend tell us all we need to know.

I know! That racist Northam out and about in a crowd of people. It's okay though, because Trump will save him with Hydroxychloroquine, just like he saved intern hating Klobuchar's husband.

[kalm]

No doubt. Click on the worldwide tab and you’ll see we’re kicking ass in that comparison. We’re #1!

I’m not arguing whether we will accept more draconian restrictions. Because of that we’d probably be better off keeping the measures we have in place longer. That probably won’t happen which will also effect the economy.

As always, hope I’m totally wrong.

Be glad that we have issues with containing the virus because we can’t just lock people down by fiat

The people who live in countries like Vietnam, China, and Thailand live under that paradigm every day, every year. They exist at the pleasure of the State.. and they are numbly used to it

American statists today are chafing at people who resist being TOLD what to do. But Americans should celebrate the fact that there are people who chafe at being locked down. It means we haven’t completely lost our libertarian roots

A government that can lock you down today can lock you down every day.

And the definition of “existential” and “public health” can be as open to interpretation as words like “commerce” and “bear arms”

So shilly shally around with it all you like, klam. But leadership is convincing Americans that it is their patriotic duty to wear the mask. Not telling them to do it, or else


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Thanks for your weekly homily on statism, CID.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Nobody needs to be "saved" 99.9 live through this weak virus.

I don't k ow what you guys are waiting for, I have already lived on to the next lie about Trump and the 2nd wave right before the election. The one they planned months ago

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

[Gil Dobie]

Nobody needs to be "saved" 99.9 live through this weak virus.

I don't k ow what you guys are waiting for, I have already lived on to the next lie about Trump and the 2nd wave right before the election. The one they planned months ago

Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk

[89Hen]

Dude, you're a mess these days. I worry for you my friend.

pandering condescension
Very Trump

I disagree with you - therefore you are insane

Yeah, I've never disagreed with kalm before.

He has changed recently.

[Col Hogan]

Don’t blame dense population for spread of the virus...there are cities larger than NYC in Asia where there is extremely less amount of Corona virus...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/us/p ... tates.html

[Ibanez]

So Trump declares people can go to church and he’ll override any governor who says otherwise.

Where are all of the state’s rights folks?

10th Amendment- Those powers not expressly given to federal government by the Constitution are reserved to states or the people. That's why I believe drug legalization, gay marriage, abortion, etc should be left up to the states.

OTOH, any restriction on religion (1A) and guns (2A) shouldn't be left up to the states IMHOP. Those rights are enshrined right there in the Constitution.

Churches have continued online. The free exercise of religion hasn’t been infringed.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[CID1990]

Don’t blame dense population for spread of the virus...there are cities larger than NYC in Asia where there is extremely less amount of Corona virus...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/25/us/p ... tates.html

Anyone who has lived in a large Asian city for any period of time knows why the virus doesn’t spread as readily there


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[houndawg]

Would feel worse if you knew it could’ve been avoided by worshiping through social distancing?

I know quite a few folks who would have not died had we not been allowed to drive cars.

You're out of your depth kalm.

That's not true. They would have died anyway.

[CID1990]

Be glad that we have issues with containing the virus because we can’t just lock people down by fiat

The people who live in countries like Vietnam, China, and Thailand live under that paradigm every day, every year. They exist at the pleasure of the State.. and they are numbly used to it

American statists today are chafing at people who resist being TOLD what to do. But Americans should celebrate the fact that there are people who chafe at being locked down. It means we haven’t completely lost our libertarian roots

A government that can lock you down today can lock you down every day.

And the definition of “existential” and “public health” can be as open to interpretation as words like “commerce” and “bear arms”

So shilly shally around with it all you like, klam. But leadership is convincing Americans that it is their patriotic duty to wear the mask. Not telling them to do it, or else


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

If we are going to rely on people doing their "patriotic duty".....we are fucked. The pictures from this past weekend tell us all we need to know.

Why not?

We’ve moved mountains and won righteous wars on it

I’m not surprised by your lack of faith and creativity though

Americans can be just as lockstep as the Chinese... but you have to convince them. That’s the difference

The command method of people like you is a lazy failure of vision and it comes from a lack of understanding of a culture you grew up in but still somehow do not understand. It really comes as no surprise that you would reject the idea that leadership in a free society means convincing people to follow, not commanding them

Lazy thinking is the refuge of dictators


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk