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Re: 2020 General Election

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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:40 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:07 am

Did we? Pollsters had Biden WAY up. Lots of suppression polling.
Beat me to it. The polls (with a few exceptions) by and large have proven themselves over back to back elections to be fake news.
It's not fake news - that's a boogeyman Trump invented to criticize news that doesn't flatter him.

Fox puts it pretty plainly.
So why did the public polls apparently once again underestimate Trump’s support?

“Trump voters are hostile to pollsters because they think the pollsters want to make them look bad. They wear it as a badge of honor that they refuse to cooperate and refuse to be interviewed. As a result, measuring the breadth of support for Donald Trump is tricky,” Luntz highlighted. “But to get it wrong twice in a row by huge margins is unforgivable.”

Veteran GOP pollster Neil Newhouse told Fox News that “there are a bunch of folks out there who don’t trust polls and therefore opt out of polls. They don’t want to disclose to others who they support.

“They believe that their responses will somehow be used against them or will be recorded someplace and attached to their name and specifically may not be comfortable telling someone else they are voting for Trump,” Newhouse, who served as 2012 GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s pollster, highlighted.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-t ... ions-again

The polls are wrong b/c they're getting garbage in. Garbage in, garbage out. :twocents:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:28 am
And counting.


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I’d already gone to bed. So GA went from Trump up, to Biden up, to Trump up?
I thought I heard he was down, it was late, I was drunk.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:03 am
Seems legit. Look at all the data he supplied to back it up.
No kidding, I should start a 4 year long thread on it.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:52 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 am

I’d already gone to bed. So GA went from Trump up, to Biden up, to Trump up?
I thought I heard he was down, it was late, I was drunk.
:lol: :thumb:
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Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:28 am
SDHornet wrote: Sounds like Biden up 40k in GA
And counting.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:52 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:40 am
Beat me to it. The polls (with a few exceptions) by and large have proven themselves over back to back elections to be fake news.
It's not fake news - that's a boogeyman Trump invented to criticize news that doesn't flatter him.

Fox puts it pretty plainly.
So why did the public polls apparently once again underestimate Trump’s support?

“Trump voters are hostile to pollsters because they think the pollsters want to make them look bad. They wear it as a badge of honor that they refuse to cooperate and refuse to be interviewed. As a result, measuring the breadth of support for Donald Trump is tricky,” Luntz highlighted. “But to get it wrong twice in a row by huge margins is unforgivable.”

Veteran GOP pollster Neil Newhouse told Fox News that “there are a bunch of folks out there who don’t trust polls and therefore opt out of polls. They don’t want to disclose to others who they support.

“They believe that their responses will somehow be used against them or will be recorded someplace and attached to their name and specifically may not be comfortable telling someone else they are voting for Trump,” Newhouse, who served as 2012 GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s pollster, highlighted.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-t ... ions-again

The polls are wrong b/c they're getting garbage in. Garbage in, garbage out. :twocents:
But JSO told us the polls were legit this time.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:30 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:09 am

Sounds like Biden up 40k in GA
I never saw Biden up in GA.
FNC shows GA now 94% reporting, Trump up by over 100k, over 2%.
All counties have reported except Fulton (no surprise there). Trump is up 102K with about 250K left to count including absentee overseas military, provisionals, etc..
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Re: 2020 General Election

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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:54 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:52 am

It's not fake news - that's a boogeyman Trump invented to criticize news that doesn't flatter him.

Fox puts it pretty plainly.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/what-t ... ions-again

The polls are wrong b/c they're getting garbage in. Garbage in, garbage out. :twocents:
But JSO told us the polls were legit this time.
Heck, JSO tried to argue they were legit last time.

Ok, JSO, lets see your analysis in 10,000 words or less on why the polls weren’t fucked up this time... :coffee:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:58 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:54 am

But JSO told us the polls were legit this time.
Heck, JSO tried to argue they were legit last time.

Ok, JSO, lets see your analysis in 10,000 words or less on why the polls weren’t fucked up this time... :coffee:
Dude. What's your problem? You know better than to ask JSO to analyze anything. :ohno:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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I have to admit, a part of me hopes this drags out to next Monday. Trump's head might explode.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:53 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 am

Seems legit. Look at all the data he supplied to back it up.
No kidding, I should start a 4 year long thread on it.
Please spare us. :lol:
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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:53 am
Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:32 am
Seems legit. Look at all the data he supplied to back it up.
No kidding, I should start a 4 year long thread on it.
But there is no left winger on CS with CID's panache to skewer you over it.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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UNI88 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:13 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:53 am

No kidding, I should start a 4 year long thread on it.
But there is no left winger on CS with CID's panache to skewer you over it.
:lol:

Speaking of CID, think he comes back now that the election is over? Or will he wait until the courts settle this before returning?
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Re: 2020 General Election

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For the 2012 election cycle, the Democrats predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2014 election cycle, the Democrat predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2016 and 2018 election cycles, the Democrats said Texas would turn blue...

For the 2020 election cycle, the Democrats said they finally had the strong candidate pool and would turn Texas blue...

Well, their best hope was to flip enough seats to turn the State House blue to control redistributing...not a single seat that was targeted was flipped...

Bloomberg dumped around $100k through Everytown and Moms against Guns...and just about every one of their adds was aimed at health care...

Maybe 2022...
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Col Hogan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:33 am For the 2012 election cycle, the Democrats predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2014 election cycle, the Democrat predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2016 and 2018 election cycles, the Democrats said Texas would turn blue...

For the 2020 election cycle, the Democrats said they finally had the strong candidate pool and would turn Texas blue...

Well, their best hope was to flip enough seats to turn the State House blue to control redistributing...not a single seat that was targeted was flipped...

Bloomberg dumped around $100k through Everytown and Moms against Guns...and just about every one of their adds was aimed at health care...

Maybe 2022...
JSO spewing demographics and how Team Brown will never vote R in 3...2...1...
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One of JSO's A+ rated polls face plants.

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Col Hogan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:33 am For the 2012 election cycle, the Democrats predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2014 election cycle, the Democrat predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2016 and 2018 election cycles, the Democrats said Texas would turn blue...

For the 2020 election cycle, the Democrats said they finally had the strong candidate pool and would turn Texas blue...

Well, their best hope was to flip enough seats to turn the State House blue to control redistributing...not a single seat that was targeted was flipped...

Bloomberg dumped around $100k through Everytown and Moms against Guns...and just about every one of their adds was aimed at health care...

Maybe 2022...
Maybe...looks like They've been getting more blue.

2004 - 2.8M Kerry Votes
2008- 3.5M Obama Votes
2012 - 3.38M Obama Votes
2016 - 3.87M Clinton Votes
2020 - 5.16M Biden Votes
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Former Gov. Scott Walker weighs in on Biden's cushion in Wisconsin...

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SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:44 am
Looks like Biden is ahead by 20K in Wisconsin...which interestingly enough is a similar margin that Trump won in 2016.
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Col Hogan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:33 am For the 2012 election cycle, the Democrats predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2014 election cycle, the Democrat predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2016 and 2018 election cycles, the Democrats said Texas would turn blue...

For the 2020 election cycle, the Democrats said they finally had the strong candidate pool and would turn Texas blue...

Well, their best hope was to flip enough seats to turn the State House blue to control redistributing...not a single seat that was targeted was flipped...

Bloomberg dumped around $100k through Everytown and Moms against Guns...and just about every one of their adds was aimed at health care...

Maybe 2022...
Bloomberg dumped $100M, not $100K... :dunce:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Col Hogan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:03 am
Col Hogan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:33 am For the 2012 election cycle, the Democrats predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2014 election cycle, the Democrat predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2016 and 2018 election cycles, the Democrats said Texas would turn blue...

For the 2020 election cycle, the Democrats said they finally had the strong candidate pool and would turn Texas blue...

Well, their best hope was to flip enough seats to turn the State House blue to control redistributing...not a single seat that was targeted was flipped...

Bloomberg dumped around $100k through Everytown and Moms against Guns...and just about every one of their adds was aimed at health care...

Maybe 2022...
Bloomberg dumped $100M, not $100K... :dunce:
He's still a dunce.... :lol:
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Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:54 am
Col Hogan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:33 am For the 2012 election cycle, the Democrats predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2014 election cycle, the Democrat predicted they would turn Texas blue...

For the 2016 and 2018 election cycles, the Democrats said Texas would turn blue...

For the 2020 election cycle, the Democrats said they finally had the strong candidate pool and would turn Texas blue...

Well, their best hope was to flip enough seats to turn the State House blue to control redistributing...not a single seat that was targeted was flipped...

Bloomberg dumped around $100k through Everytown and Moms against Guns...and just about every one of their adds was aimed at health care...

Maybe 2022...
Maybe...looks like They've been getting more blue.

2004 - 2.8M Kerry Votes
2008- 3.5M Obama Votes
2012 - 3.38M Obama Votes
2016 - 3.87M Clinton Votes
2020 - 5.16M Biden Votes
Just those numbers mean nothing without looking at the population growth...
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Biden winning was expected.
Senate staying in GOP hands, albeit with losing some seats - expected a little less but still expected.
The House seeing the GOP actually make gains and slightly lower the lead the Dems had in the House? Completely unexpected.

Any chance that given we're getting the change in the White House with Trump exiting, that we could also finally get the Dems in the House to finally convince Pelosi to also gracefully exit? I think we're stuck with Schumer as the Minority Leader in the Senate (although frankly I'd rather see that change as well to a younger Senator - I think Booker would be a fascinating Senate Leader, although far too young apparently). Could be a perfect time for ushering out all the old folks from all the leadership positions. Heck, the countdown clock on Harris triggering the 25th is just about to begin. :thumb:
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:09 am Biden winning was expected.
Senate staying in GOP hands, albeit with losing some seats - expected a little less but still expected.
The House seeing the GOP actually make gains and slightly lower the lead the Dems had in the House? Completely unexpected.

Any chance that given we're getting the change in the White House with Trump exiting, that we could also finally get the Dems in the House to finally convince Pelosi to also gracefully exit? I think we're stuck with Schumer as the Minority Leader in the Senate (although frankly I'd rather see that change as well to a younger Senator - I think Booker would be a fascinating Senate Leader, although far too young apparently). Could be a perfect time for ushering out all the old folks from all the leadership positions. Heck, the countdown clock on Harris triggering the 25th is just about to begin. :thumb:
Yes please. Especially Pelosi.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Ibanez wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 11:03 am
SDHornet wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:44 am
Looks like Biden is ahead by 20K in Wisconsin...which interestingly enough is a similar margin that Trump won in 2016.
Yeah I think WI and MI go Biden.
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