2020 General Election

[houndawg]

none so blind as he who will not see....hold your water and soon you'll get Vladimir's first-hand account of his satifying relationship with the Donald.

Chizzy answer!

Trump says he's going to release the unredacted Mueller report - be patient.

[UNI88]

Funny, I feel the same way about pseudo-progressives like Bernie and AOChe who demonstrate little to no understanding of economics, human nature and diversity of ideas.

I think AOC has a good understanding of human nature, like any good bartender.

She seems arrogantly oblivious to the mindset of Donk voters in West Virginia, rural Virginia, etc. as well as the importance of holding those seats in order to have majorities in both houses of Congress. Does she want to self-righteously double down on her ideological positions or does she want to recognize and respect the diversity of the ideas within the Donk base and have a chance to actually get something done?

[SeattleGriz]

I think AOC has a good understanding of human nature, like any good bartender.

She seems arrogantly oblivious to the mindset of Donk voters in West Virginia, rural Virginia, etc. as well as the importance of holding those seats in order to have majorities in both houses of Congress. Does she want to self-righteously double down on her ideological positions or does she want to recognize and respect the diversity of the ideas within the Donk base and have a chance to actually get something done?

She struggles with majority concepts as well.

[houndawg]

I think AOC has a good understanding of human nature, like any good bartender.

She seems arrogantly oblivious to the mindset of Donk voters in West Virginia, rural Virginia, etc. as well as the importance of holding those seats in order to have majorities in both houses of Congress. Does she want to self-righteously double down on her ideological positions or does she want to recognize and respect the diversity of the ideas within the Donk base and have a chance to actually get something done?

You'd have to ask her about that but I don't see any sign that she's all that inflexible. She represents a new generation and they think different. And time is on her side. And the sooner this iteration of the DNC hits the rubbish heap the better.

[UNI88]

She seems arrogantly oblivious to the mindset of Donk voters in West Virginia, rural Virginia, etc. as well as the importance of holding those seats in order to have majorities in both houses of Congress. Does she want to self-righteously double down on her ideological positions or does she want to recognize and respect the diversity of the ideas within the Donk base and have a chance to actually get something done?

You'd have to ask her about that but I don't see any sign that she's all that inflexible. She represents a new generation and they think different. And time is on her side. And the sooner this iteration of the DNC hits the rubbish heap the better.

Getting her hackles up over Manchin and moderate Dems shows she doesn't understand the thinking of voters in other districts and their importance to a Democratic majority. It's short-sighted and foolish. She thinks she's right and everyone else just needs to get on board or be left behind = arrogant & self-righteous.

[kalm]

She seems arrogantly oblivious to the mindset of Donk voters in West Virginia, rural Virginia, etc. as well as the importance of holding those seats in order to have majorities in both houses of Congress. Does she want to self-righteously double down on her ideological positions or does she want to recognize and respect the diversity of the ideas within the Donk base and have a chance to actually get something done?

You'd have to ask her about that but I don't see any sign that she's all that inflexible. She represents a new generation and they think different. And time is on her side. And the sooner this iteration of the DNC hits the rubbish heap the better.

You sound exactly like my oldest...and that’s a compliment.

[JohnStOnge]

I heard a NPR piece today on the various Trump cult/Republican voter fraud claims. None of them have withstood scrutiny. But this one is particularly bad:

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/verif ... cce9f38409

That pretty much verifies what I heard on NPR. First of all, there was a clerical error by a REPUBLICAN election official who said in an NPR interview that she voted for Trump. The error caused votes to be added for Biden. When the error was caught >100,000 Biden votes were DELETED to correct the error.

So somebody posted screen shots in reverse order. What the change actually showed was Biden votes disappearing. But somebody reversed to order to make it look like Biden votes were added. I mean, how dishonest can you get?

Here are some other ones I checked on after hearing the NPR piece:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 149392002/

Trump ballots were not thrown out as claimed by fake poll worker

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/202 ... 202337002/

Georgia poll worker in hiding after being harassed over fake claims he trashed a ballot

They interviewed somebody from an organization that monitors internet misinformation. The lady said that not a single Trump cult/Republican voter fraud claim has been shown to be factual.

If you are a conservative you should be concerned about what has happened to the conservative movement. It is fundamentally, deeply dishonest right now.

[Gil Dobie]

I heard a NPR piece today on the various Trump cult/Republican voter fraud claims. None of them have withstood scrutiny. But this one is particularly bad:

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/verif ... cce9f38409

That pretty much verifies what I heard on NPR. First of all, there was a clerical error by a REPUBLICAN election official who said in an NPR interview that she voted for Trump. The error caused votes to be added for Biden. When the error was caught >100,000 Biden votes were DELETED to correct the error.

So somebody posted screen shots in reverse order. What the change actually showed was Biden votes disappearing. But somebody reversed to order to make it look like Biden votes were added. I mean, how dishonest can you get?

Here are some other ones I checked on after hearing the NPR piece:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fac ... 149392002/

Trump ballots were not thrown out as claimed by fake poll worker

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/202 ... 202337002/

Georgia poll worker in hiding after being harassed over fake claims he trashed a ballot

They interviewed somebody from an organization that monitors internet misinformation. The lady said that not a single Trump cult/Republican voter fraud claim has been shown to be factual.

If you are a conservative you should be concerned about what has happened to the conservative movement. It is fundamentally, deeply dishonest right now.

The election crap is akin to the Russia probe the Democrats pushed and wasted 4 years on. Just hope the conservatives come to their senses and abandon this election fraud crap. Tired of 4 years worth of Democrat election fraud and tampering crap.

[JohnStOnge]

I saw your boy Nate Silver at 538 had the national polling avg at Biden +8.4. So he was WAY off. But the national polling is irrelevant. All that matters is the swing states. 538 was also further off than the RCP at swing states (maybe because 538 excluded Trafalgar). If you remove Trafalgar from some of these RCP pre election averages, its looks even worse for the polls in that they would be 1 to 2 points even further off for Biden (like 538).

I just pulled up my recording of watching Smerconish interview the Trafalgar guy on the Saturday prior to the election. Trafalgar had Trump as favored. They had him with 275 electoral votes, Biden with 216 electoral votes, and four states (Nevada, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) too close to call.

They had Trump winning Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia.

Silver had Biden as the favorite. Trafalgar had Trump as the favorite. Under ordinary circumstances, we would already be saying Silver was right and Trafalgar was wrong. Under ordinary circumstances, the candidate in Trump's shoes right now would already have conceded and e wouldn't be going through recounts and such. We certainly wouldn't have a situation where a candidate was trying to completely overturn results from various States when there is no evidence that anything untoward happened.

[AZGrizFan]

She seems arrogantly oblivious to the mindset of Donk voters in West Virginia, rural Virginia, etc. as well as the importance of holding those seats in order to have majorities in both houses of Congress. Does she want to self-righteously double down on her ideological positions or does she want to recognize and respect the diversity of the ideas within the Donk base and have a chance to actually get something done?

She struggles with majority concepts as well.

She struggles with ANY concept involving actual numbers.

[Gil Dobie]

I saw your boy Nate Silver at 538 had the national polling avg at Biden +8.4. So he was WAY off. But the national polling is irrelevant. All that matters is the swing states. 538 was also further off than the RCP at swing states (maybe because 538 excluded Trafalgar). If you remove Trafalgar from some of these RCP pre election averages, its looks even worse for the polls in that they would be 1 to 2 points even further off for Biden (like 538).

I just pulled up my recording of watching Smerconish interview the Trafalgar guy on the Saturday prior to the election. Trafalgar had Trump as favored. They had him with 275 electoral votes, Biden with 216 electoral votes, and four states (Nevada, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania) too close to call.

They had Trump winning Michigan, Arizona, and Georgia.

Silver had Biden as the favorite. Trafalgar had Trump as the favorite. Under ordinary circumstances, we would already be saying Silver was right and Trafalgar was wrong. Under ordinary circumstances, the candidate in Trump's shoes right now would already have conceded and e wouldn't be going through recounts and such. We certainly wouldn't have a situation where a candidate was trying to completely overturn results from various States when there is no evidence that anything untoward happened.

Crazy that they had Minnesota too close to call. The Twin Cities will usually pull it out for the dems. I had no doubt in my mind Biden would win the state.

[UNI88]

On a virtual conference with James Carville and Mary Matalin this morning when Carville said that a lot of woke people need to take a nap ...

[SDHornet]

If that were the issue they would have never taken the Trump case to begin with.

And Shapiro is a never Trumper who only supported Trump because the DNC went full Marxist retard.

Everyone has the right to contest an election. But when not having any evidence of wrong doing, a lawsuit must seem frivolous to the experts.


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Yup. The courts will hash out any that may be frivolous and this will all work itself out.

The issue is still the recounts and the parlor games being played with the observers.

[Winterborn]

She struggles with majority concepts as well.

She struggles with ANY concept involving reality.

FYP

[Ibanez]

Everyone has the right to contest an election. But when not having any evidence of wrong doing, a lawsuit must seem frivolous to the experts.


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Yup. The courts will hash out any that may be frivolous and this will all work itself out.

The issue is still the recounts and the parlor games being played with the observers.

You're right. The observers issue will be dismissed. Mainly because you have hundreds of Republican observers saying they had no problems observing the count.

[houndawg]

You'd have to ask her about that but I don't see any sign that she's all that inflexible. She represents a new generation and they think different. And time is on her side. And the sooner this iteration of the DNC hits the rubbish heap the better.

Getting her hackles up over Manchin and moderate Dems shows she doesn't understand the thinking of voters in other districts and their importance to a Democratic majority. It's short-sighted and foolish. She thinks she's right and everyone else just needs to get on board or be left behind = arrogant & self-righteous.

Bullshit. Its the moderates with their hackles up; tried to primary her and got dogwalked.

[Baldy]

bUt, iT wAs StAcEy aBrAmS...

[SDHornet]

Yup. The courts will hash out any that may be frivolous and this will all work itself out.

The issue is still the recounts and the parlor games being played with the observers.

You're right. The observers issue will be dismissed. Mainly because you have hundreds of Republican observers saying they had no problems observing the count.

And plenty of others saying they did. Courts will sort it out.

[SDHornet]

[Ibanez]

You're right. The observers issue will be dismissed. Mainly because you have hundreds of Republican observers saying they had no problems observing the count.

And plenty of others saying they did. Courts will sort it out.

Yup. Trump ( and Biden) should let their lawyers clear this up. Stay off the media and let the courts review the evidence, scrutinize it and make a decision.

Preferably, based on facts and evidence. Not trumped up charges and bogus allegations.

Spoiler: show

Pun intended.

[SDHornet]

[Skjellyfetti]

bUt, iT wAs StAcEy aBrAmS...

I thought it was because of voter fraud in Fulton Co. Are you telling me that isn't the case?

[Winterborn]

And plenty of others saying they did. Courts will sort it out.

Yup. Trump ( and Biden) should let their lawyers clear this up. Stay off the media and let the courts review the evidence, scrutinize it and make a decision.

Preferably, based on facts and evidence. Not trumped up charges and bogus allegations.

Spoiler: show

Pun intended.

While you are wishing, mind asking for the winning Power Ball numbers?

[Ibanez]

Yup. Trump ( and Biden) should let their lawyers clear this up. Stay off the media and let the courts review the evidence, scrutinize it and make a decision.

Preferably, based on facts and evidence. Not trumped up charges and bogus allegations.

Spoiler: show

Pun intended.

While you are wishing, mind asking for the winning Power Ball numbers?

I know it's naïve.

[Winterborn]

While you are wishing, mind asking for the winning Power Ball numbers?

I know it's naïve.

It is a good thought and I agree with it. Just has about as much chance of happening as a snowball making it an hour in hell.