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Re: 2020 General Election

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UNI88 wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:22 pm
SDHornet wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 2:15 pm

This. Actually following up on the signature verification protocols on the mail in ballots would clear this all up. Count all legal ballots. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
I don't. Trump is that polarizing.

Is it too late to follow up on the signature verification protocols? Haven't the envelopes been separated from ballots and the ballots mixed together? Do you want another election in some states? If you do that Trump will cry every time he loses and ask for election after election.
It shouldn't be that hard to keep everything organized, but we know it didn't happen that way. That is an issue in my book. If you can't verify after the fact, something is wrong with your process. I mean hell, it's only the Presidential election.
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I'm interested in what happens on December 18th.
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AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:44 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:42 pm

And anyone with a brainstem knows that it can be at least partially explained by people disliking Trump enough to vote against him but not caring or knowing enough about the down-ballot races to vote in them.

It's unusual but by itself is not evidence of fraud. Trump needs to present hard evidence not circumstantial evidence and conspiracy theories.
I have a difficult time believing that....you dislike Trump SO much that you go through the effort of voting, but can’t be bothered to fill out the rest of the ballot? :suspicious: :suspicious: :suspicious:
That's what I find odd too, particularly in Michigan. There was a close Senate seat there and you vote for president but not Senator? I can see not filling out local state legislative or judicial ballot items but vote Biden and skip Senator? :suspicious:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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HI54UNI wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:05 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 7:44 pm

I have a difficult time believing that....you dislike Trump SO much that you go through the effort of voting, but can’t be bothered to fill out the rest of the ballot? :suspicious: :suspicious: :suspicious:
That's what I find odd too, particularly in Michigan. There was a close Senate seat there and you vote for president but not Senator? I can see not filling out local state legislative or judicial ballot items but vote Biden and skip Senator? :suspicious:
No kidding, it's almost as if there were ballots being generated somewhere and they didn't want to have votes exceeding registered voters in the lower state and local races. Hhmm...
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Re: 2020 General Election

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AZGrizFan wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Sat Dec 12, 2020 4:01 pm Where’s the evidence, bub?
Mark, thats pretty well known and acknowledged.
So well known that it hasn’t been produced for any of the 50+ lawsuits.

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SeattleGriz wrote:I'm interested in what happens on December 18th.
Electoral College meets tomorrow, 12/14. What happens on 12/18?


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Ignore this post. Thought I was replying to Ibanez post, but simply posted.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Ibanez wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:06 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:I'm interested in what happens on December 18th.
Electoral College meets tomorrow, 12/14. What happens on 12/18?


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The report that supports the 2018 Executive Order on foreign interference in our elections is due. Might not be released to the public at that time, but the DNI is to have it completed
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Re: 2020 General Election

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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:39 am
Ibanez wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:06 pm
Electoral College meets tomorrow, 12/14. What happens on 12/18?


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The report that supports the 2018 Executive Order on foreign interference in our elections is due. Might not be released to the public at that time, but the DNI is to have it completed
That would be good to see. I think a person would be naïve to believe foreign governments do not attempt to influence our elections. The question you really want answered is to what extent are they successful.

Meanwhile, FireEye is saying the Treasury and Commerce departments were hacked. It isn't specifically Russia however the Cyber Threat Intelligence report I received this morning at work says they suspect it to be state sponsored. The hack has been going on since the Spring! I'm not saying it's Russia, but in my experience them and the Chinese are pros when it comes to state-sponsored hacks. :twocents:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Ibanez wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:49 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:39 am

The report that supports the 2018 Executive Order on foreign interference in our elections is due. Might not be released to the public at that time, but the DNI is to have it completed
That would be good to see. I think a person would be naïve to believe foreign governments do not attempt to influence our elections. The question you really want answered is to what extent are they successful.

Meanwhile, FireEye is saying the Treasury and Commerce departments were hacked. It isn't specifically Russia however the Cyber Threat Intelligence report I received this morning at work says they suspect it to be state sponsored. The hack has been going on since the Spring! I'm not saying it's Russia, but in my experience them and the Chinese are pros when it comes to state-sponsored hacks. :twocents:
I read a little about that. Exploiting Microsoft Office if I skimmed it correctly.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:09 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:49 am That would be good to see. I think a person would be naïve to believe foreign governments do not attempt to influence our elections. The question you really want answered is to what extent are they successful.

Meanwhile, FireEye is saying the Treasury and Commerce departments were hacked. It isn't specifically Russia however the Cyber Threat Intelligence report I received this morning at work says they suspect it to be state sponsored. The hack has been going on since the Spring! I'm not saying it's Russia, but in my experience them and the Chinese are pros when it comes to state-sponsored hacks. :twocents:
I read a little about that. Exploiting Microsoft Office if I skimmed it correctly.
No. It created legit security certificates. An IT system management company was hacked. The trojan sends out legit software updates to the company's clients - like all branches of the US Military, Treasury, Commerce. About 300,000 organizations and governments use the company - SolarWinds. It's created a backdoor for the the hacker to have almost unfettered access.

By weaponizing the IT platform, the malware was legitimately distributed to anyone using SolarWinds and then laid dormant for a few weeks before beginning a series of jobs which provided the hacker access. Some are saying it's a basic, "god-Mode" where there hacker can go and do whatever, wherever, whenever.
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Re: 2020 General Election

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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:38 am Ignore this post. Thought I was replying to Ibanez post, but simply posted.
No. This post is a cry for attention and we need to talk about it. Does anyone know where Bench is? We need an expert. :D
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 8:11 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 6:38 am Ignore this post. Thought I was replying to Ibanez post, but simply posted.
No. This post is a cry for attention and we need to talk about it. Does anyone know where Bench is? We need an expert. :D
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Re: 2020 General Election

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SDHornet wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:43 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:27 am

John wants to focus his debunking efforts on reports that he can knows he can debunk. He ignores anything that doesn't fit his narrative or can't be easily debunked.

He and his fellow liberals also haven't said anything about the possibility of Pelosi and the House ignoring the results of the Iowa or New York Congressional elections.
:nod: Any one thinking all these election results are on the up and up are delusional.
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Elections have comsequences bro. :coffee:

Thats nearly 10,000,000 votes he lost by in 2 elections. :coffee:


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Ibanez wrote: Sun Dec 13, 2020 9:06 pm
SeattleGriz wrote:I'm interested in what happens on December 18th.
Electoral College meets tomorrow, 12/14. What happens on 12/18?


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houndawg wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:35 am
SDHornet wrote: Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:43 am

:nod: Any one thinking all these election results are on the up and up are delusional.
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Elections have comsequences bro. :coffee:

Thats nearly 10,000,000 votes he lost by in 2 elections. :coffee:


Ouch.
And with as unlikeable as he is, that numbers seems suspiciously low. Perhaps all the squaking is more projection? We need to launch an investigation to see how Trump managed to lose this close and how he wasn’t more of a drag on down ballot voting. :suspicious: :suspicious:
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Re: 2020 General Election

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kalm wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:47 am
houndawg wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:35 am

:rofl:


Elections have comsequences bro. :coffee:

Thats nearly 10,000,000 votes he lost by in 2 elections. :coffee:


Ouch.
And with as unlikeable as he is, that numbers seems suspiciously low. Perhaps all the squaking is more projection? We need to launch an investigation to see how Trump managed to lose this close and how he wasn’t more of a drag on down ballot voting. :suspicious: :suspicious:
It was Russian Allusion!!!!!!
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:07 am
kalm wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 9:47 am
And with as unlikeable as he is, that numbers seems suspiciously low. Perhaps all the squaking is more projection? We need to launch an investigation to see how Trump managed to lose this close and how he wasn’t more of a drag on down ballot voting. :suspicious: :suspicious:
It was Russian Allusion!!!!!!
* squawking

Allusion or illusion?

I'm pretty sure there was hinky stuff going on that was orchestrated by supporters of both parties. The aftermath of this election is an opportunity to tighten up our processes and make that hinky stuff harder to pull off.
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:11 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:07 am
It was Russian Allusion!!!!!!
* squawking

Allusion or illusion?

I'm pretty sure there was hinky stuff going on that was orchestrated by supporters of both parties. The aftermath of this election is an opportunity to tighten up our processes and make that hinky stuff harder to pull off.
Allusion however I think you can use either.
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Antrim county forensic analysis of the Dominion Voting System.

No clue if it's accurate, just the first I've seen on the analysis.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/fore ... i.html?m=1
The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is of 1 in 250,000 ballots (.0008%). We observed an error rate of 68.05%. This demonstrated a significant and fatal error in security and election integrity.

Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years, but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing.

Likewise, all server security logs prior to 11:03pm on November 4, 2020 are missing. Other server logs before November 4, 2020 are present, therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for the security logs to be missing.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:54 am Antrim county forensic analysis of the Dominion Voting System.

No clue if it's accurate, just the first I've seen on the analysis.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/fore ... i.html?m=1
The allowable election error rate established by the Federal Election Commission guidelines is of 1 in 250,000 ballots (.0008%). We observed an error rate of 68.05%. This demonstrated a significant and fatal error in security and election integrity.

Significantly, the computer system shows vote adjudication logs for prior years, but all adjudication log entries for the 2020 election cycle are missing.

Likewise, all server security logs prior to 11:03pm on November 4, 2020 are missing. Other server logs before November 4, 2020 are present, therefore, there is no reasonable explanation for the security logs to be missing.
I think they mean Vox Populi not Popoli. Just a guess.... :coffee:


Anyway...if they can't get the "Voice of the People" correct, then i'm not going to trust what they "analyzed"
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The Wisconsin Supreme Court on Monday rejected President Donald Trump's lawsuit attempting to overturn his loss to Democrat Joe Biden in the battleground state, ending Trump's legal challenges in state court about an hour before the Electoral College was to meet to cast the state's 10 votes for Biden.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wiscon ... on-lawsuit

Is this the 51st lawsuit to fail?

Of course, this is more proof of the Deep State, Republican/Democratic Bi-Partisan Cabal, Voting Machine Corporation Conspiracy to deprive our greatest President since Lincoln a 2nd Term. Why is our President too weak to stop this?! WHY?! I THOUGHT HE WAS STRONGER!
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Re: 2020 General Election

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Ibanez wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:04 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 10:54 am Antrim county forensic analysis of the Dominion Voting System.

No clue if it's accurate, just the first I've seen on the analysis.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/12/fore ... i.html?m=1

I think they mean Vox Populi not Popoli. Just a guess.... :coffee:


Anyway...if they can't get the "Voice of the People" correct, then i'm not going to trust what they "analyzed"
What was summarized was from the actual report. What I don't know is the full context of the report. Was it cherry picked?
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:23 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:04 am

I think they mean Vox Populi not Popoli. Just a guess.... :coffee:


Anyway...if they can't get the "Voice of the People" correct, then i'm not going to trust what they "analyzed"
What was summarized was from the actual report. What I don't know is the full context of the report. Was it cherry picked?
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politi ... 538325002/
The report is signed by Russell Ramsland of Allied Security Operations Group.

Ramsland, a cybersecurity analyst and former Republican congressional candidate, mistook voting jurisdictions in Minnesota for Michigan towns in one recent flawed analysis of voter turnout in the Nov. 3 election. In another, filed in support of a federal lawsuit filed in Michigan, he made wildly inaccurate claims about voter turnout in various Michigan municipalities claiming that Detroit, where turnout was 51%, had turnout of 139%, and that North Muskegon, which had turnout of 78%, had voter turnout of 782%

Yeah...let's trust this guy. :roll:
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I've seen this posted as the full report. Have not verified so take it for what it is worth.

https://depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/ ... ted%5D.pdf
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