2020 General Election

[JohnStOnge]

Ok. Two false for two. I just took a look at the SECOND issue I chose to follow up on raised by Peter Navarro's report at https://bannonswarroom.com/wp-content/u ... 5.20-1.pdf. If you look at pages 24 and 25 you will see the claim that absentee ballot rejections were improbably lower in 2020. So I did a quick Google. I got this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN2832CM

False. Georgia rejected 2,011 ballots or 0.15% in 2020. In 2016 and 2018, Georgia’s ballot rejection rates were 0.24% and 0.15% respectively.

So, again, Navarro based an argument on improbability upon a false premise. And, again, the false premise was debunked well before he wrote his report (dated December 15). The Reuters fact check is dated November 23.

But what are those of us who recognize this stuff as BS to do in order to get through to the Trump Cult. All the Cult members know is that this BIG report came out PROVING that Trump was robbed. They just throw so much BS out it's impossible to get to all of it with respect to everybody. Then even if you DO get to them they don't believe it because they've been brainwashed into swalling the "YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!" fallacy.

[kalm]

Ok. Two false for two. I just took a look at the SECOND issue I chose to follow up on raised by Peter Navarro's report at https://bannonswarroom.com/wp-content/u ... 5.20-1.pdf. If you look at pages 24 and 25 you will see the claim that absentee ballot rejections were improbably lower in 2020. So I did a quick Google. I got this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN2832CM

False. Georgia rejected 2,011 ballots or 0.15% in 2020. In 2016 and 2018, Georgia’s ballot rejection rates were 0.24% and 0.15% respectively.

So, again, Navarro based an argument on improbability upon a false premise. And, again, the false premise was debunked well before he wrote his report (dated December 15). The Reuters fact check is dated November 23.

But what are those of us who recognize this stuff as BS to do in order to get through to the Trump Cult. All the Cult members know is that this BIG report came out PROVING that Trump was robbed. They just throw so much BS out it's impossible to get to all of it with respect to everybody. Then even if you DO get to them they don't believe it because they've been brainwashed into swalling the "YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!" fallacy.

Can you fix stupid?

So much of this is cyclical. Some of it is binary politics which is also a part of the cycle. Trumpers will continue to be assisted in their denial by adversarial (vs truth seeking) journalism unless/until the twin crises of a pandemic and lost faith in institutions and civics subsides. At that point they will either be relegated back to crazy uncle status (the rest of us embracing a new paradigm of positive change) or they will have assumed power in a more chaotic culture in which case many will be fucked and/or the United States will no longer exist in its current form.

I’m rooting for the former.

Trump isn’t the change agent, he’s simply one of many catalysts.

[UNI88]

Ok. Two false for two. I just took a look at the SECOND issue I chose to follow up on raised by Peter Navarro's report at https://bannonswarroom.com/wp-content/u ... 5.20-1.pdf. If you look at pages 24 and 25 you will see the claim that absentee ballot rejections were improbably lower in 2020. So I did a quick Google. I got this:

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKBN2832CM
So, again, Navarro based an argument on improbability upon a false premise. And, again, the false premise was debunked well before he wrote his report (dated December 15). The Reuters fact check is dated November 23.

But what are those of us who recognize this stuff as BS to do in order to get through to the Trump Cult. All the Cult members know is that this BIG report came out PROVING that Trump was robbed. They just throw so much BS out it's impossible to get to all of it with respect to everybody. Then even if you DO get to them they don't believe it because they've been brainwashed into swalling the "YOU CAN'T BELIEVE THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!!" fallacy.

Can you fix stupid?

So much of this is cyclical. Some of it is binary politics which is also a part of the cycle. Trumpers will continue to be assisted in their denial by adversarial (vs truth seeking) journalism unless/until the twin crises of a pandemic and lost faith in institutions and civics subsides. At that point they will either be relegated back to crazy uncle status (the rest of us embracing a new paradigm of positive change) or they will have assumed power in a more chaotic culture in which case many will be fucked and/or the United States will no longer exist in its current form.

I’m rooting for the former.

Trump isn’t the change agent, he’s simply one of many catalysts.

Crazy uncle status is a sexist label. It assumes that the extremists are male and that masculinity is bad. You need to spend 48 hours in self reflection so you can overcome your inherent bias and sexism and receive total consciousness.

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[kalm]

Can you fix stupid?

So much of this is cyclical. Some of it is binary politics which is also a part of the cycle. Trumpers will continue to be assisted in their denial by adversarial (vs truth seeking) journalism unless/until the twin crises of a pandemic and lost faith in institutions and civics subsides. At that point they will either be relegated back to crazy uncle status (the rest of us embracing a new paradigm of positive change) or they will have assumed power in a more chaotic culture in which case many will be fucked and/or the United States will no longer exist in its current form.

I’m rooting for the former.

Trump isn’t the change agent, he’s simply one of many catalysts.

Crazy uncle status is a sexist label. It assumes that the extremists are male and that masculinity is bad. You need to spend 48 hours in self reflection so you can overcome your inherent bias and sexism and receive total consciousness.

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That too is part of the cycle.

[JohnStOnge]

Trump isn’t the change agent, he’s simply one of many catalysts.

I've written before that Trump isn't the problem. The problem is that we have a substantial proportion of the population that would vote for and support somebody like Trump while buying the kind of BS he puts out. See Republican Base thread. It's a minority but it's a large minority. Large enough to gain power given a system such as ours that allows for minority rule. We have a deep rot in the population. Don't know how we're going to get rid of it.

[kalm]

Trump isn’t the change agent, he’s simply one of many catalysts.

I've written before that Trump isn't the problem. The problem is that we have a substantial proportion of the population that would vote for and support somebody like Trump while buying the kind of BS he puts out. See Republican Base thread. It's a minority but it's a large minority. Large enough to gain power given a system such as ours that allows for minority rule. We have a deep rot in the population. Don't know how we're going to get rid of it.

Yep.

The troubling part isn’t clearing out the deadwood of previous generations. Time is against them.

It’s honestly my generation who is now assuming power...reared on a diet of imagined self reliance and disregard for kindness and community.

[UNI88]

Trump isn’t the change agent, he’s simply one of many catalysts.

I've written before that Bernie, AOChe aren't the problem. The problem is that we have a substantial proportion of the population that would vote for and support somebody like them while buying the kind of BS they put out. See Democratic Base thread. It's a minority but it's a large minority. Large enough to gain power given a system such as ours that allows for minority rule. We have a deep rot in the population. Don't know how we're going to get rid of it.

FYP

The fish that is the US is rotting from both ends.


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[kalm]

Lol.

“Attorney Sidney Powell back at White House Sunday

Attorney Sidney Powell was back at the White House Sunday to push President Donald Trump and his administration to issue an executive order to seize voting machines for examination, two sources with direct knowledge tell ABC News.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-up ... c#74836725

[kalm]

I've written before that Bernie, AOChe aren't the problem. The problem is that we have a substantial proportion of the population that would vote for and support somebody like them while buying the kind of BS they put out. See Democratic Base thread. It's a minority but it's a large minority. Large enough to gain power given a system such as ours that allows for minority rule. We have a deep rot in the population. Don't know how we're going to get rid of it.

FYP

The fish that is the US is rotting from both ends.


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[Ibanez]

Lol.

“Attorney Sidney Powell back at White House Sunday

Attorney Sidney Powell was back at the White House Sunday to push President Donald Trump and his administration to issue an executive order to seize voting machines for examination, two sources with direct knowledge tell ABC News.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-up ... c#74836725

Oooh. Are we about to see the Kracken unleashed?!


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[SDHornet]

Cool NYT article with graphics on Team Brown voting patterns. Team Brown came out huge for Trump, put that in your pipe and smoke it JSO.

Across the United States, many areas with large populations of Latinos and residents of Asian descent, including ones with the highest numbers of immigrants, had something in common this election: a surge in turnout and a shift to the right, often a sizable one.

The pattern was evident in big cities like Chicago and New York, in California and Florida, and along the Texas border with Mexico, according to a New York Times analysis of voting in 28,000 precincts in more than 20 cities.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... oting.html

[AZGrizFan]

Spent the weekend at the lake house with an elderly aunt and uncle from Montana (both super liberal). The uncle was perfectly fine with fraud, because his guy won.

I reminded him that someday the shoe could be on the other foot.....his response? “I probably won’t be here in four years, so it doesn’t matter”.

[AZGrizFan]

I've written before that Trump isn't the problem. The problem is that we have a substantial proportion of the population that would vote for and support somebody like Trump while buying the kind of BS he puts out. See Republican Base thread. It's a minority but it's a large minority. Large enough to gain power given a system such as ours that allows for minority rule. We have a deep rot in the population. Don't know how we're going to get rid of it.

Yep.

The troubling part isn’t clearing out the deadwood of previous generations. Time is against them.

It’s honestly my generation who is now assuming power...reared on a diet of imagined self reliance and disregard for kindness and community.

You forgot “and a deep seated hatred for their country and economic system that made us the greatest country on the planet”....

[kalm]

Yep.

The troubling part isn’t clearing out the deadwood of previous generations. Time is against them.

It’s honestly my generation who is now assuming power...reared on a diet of imagined self reliance and disregard for kindness and community.

You forgot “and a deep seated hatred for their country and economic system that made us the greatest country on the planet”....

Oh wow can those arguments go both ways...

[UNI88]

You forgot “and a deep seated hatred for their country and economic system that made us the greatest country on the planet”....

Oh wow can those arguments go both ways...

You're finally catching on. Maybe your not as slow as Houndy says.

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[JohnStOnge]

I've written before that Bernie, AOChe aren't the problem. The problem is that we have a substantial proportion of the population that would vote for and support somebody like them while buying the kind of BS they put out. See Democratic Base thread. It's a minority but it's a large minority. Large enough to gain power given a system such as ours that allows for minority rule. We have a deep rot in the population. Don't know how we're going to get rid of it.

FYP

The fish that is the US is rotting from both ends.


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No it's not. There is no equivalency. What's going on on the Republican base side is way worse.

[AZGrizFan]

FYP

The fish that is the US is rotting from both ends.


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No it's not. There is no equivalency. What's going on on the Republican base side is way worse.

Nope. You’re wrong. Again. Does it ever get tiring?

[89Hen]

Watching ABC national news tonight (my favorite to get a glimpse into the liberal media machine). The way they phrase a story going into a Trump discussion tries to build a case that he lost the election by 7,000,000 votes. He didn't. Sorry.

He lost the popular vote by 7,059,741
He lost California and New York by 7,096,597

Now, I'm not trying to say those don't count for the popular vote, but it really puts it into perspective how MOST of the country felt. It was a statistical draw.

If you want to know how much he really lost by...

Arizona = 10,457 margin
Georgia = 11,779 margin
Wisconsin = 20,682 margin
Nevada = 33,596 margin

76,514 votes from 275 Trump/263 Biden. By my math, that's 0.048% of the total votes cast. That's what he lost by.

FTR, if PA flips you can take out Nevada and Arizona and it's only three states, but the margin in PA was more than the other two combined.

[AZGrizFan]

[Ibanez]

Regardless of where the votes came from...he lost by over 7M. Period.


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[89Hen]

Regardless of where the votes came from...he lost by over 7M. Period.

Lost the popular vote. Yes. The election. No.

[Ibanez]

Regardless of where the votes came from...he lost by over 7M. Period.

Lost the popular vote. Yes. The election. No.

He didn’t lose the election? The conspiracy deepens....


Meanwhile....




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[89Hen]

Lost the popular vote. Yes. The election. No.

He didn’t lose the election? The conspiracy deepens....

By 7,000,000 no. And I know you know that, so you can stop.

[SDHornet]

Watching ABC national news tonight (my favorite to get a glimpse into the liberal media machine). The way they phrase a story going into a Trump discussion tries to build a case that he lost the election by 7,000,000 votes. He didn't. Sorry.

He lost the popular vote by 7,059,741
He lost California and New York by 7,096,597

Now, I'm not trying to say those don't count for the popular vote, but it really puts it into perspective how MOST of the country felt. It was a statistical draw.

If you want to know how much he really lost by...

Arizona = 10,457 margin
Georgia = 11,779 margin
Wisconsin = 20,682 margin
Nevada = 33,596 margin

76,514 votes from 275 Trump/263 Biden. By my math, that's 0.048% of the total votes cast. That's what he lost by.

FTR, if PA flips you can take out Nevada and Arizona and it's only three states, but the margin in PA was more than the other two combined.

Now try to rationalize the narrative of "not enough fraud to change the outcome" and see how absurd that lie is.

[SDHornet]

Lost the popular vote. Yes. The election. No.

He didn’t lose the election? The conspiracy deepens....


Meanwhile....




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Now do the election laws that were changed outside of their state legislatures...