The Official "Making America Woke Again" Thread

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Hey if that email is real, I don't agree with the methodology.

But I agree with the broader point of disinformation being fished out on social media; I don't believe in free speech on private platforms.

But eh, all of this is low on my list of things I care about. I'm just pointing out: these attacks continue to bolster her, gain her sympathy, and give her press. Conks need to stop wasting so much effort on AOC; she's one congresswoman with no power. It's stupid politics.

edit: to anyone on the left here, do you ever hear about AOC besides conks bringing her up? I know I rarely do.

So you claim she'll be POTUS one day but are now back peddling and claiming she isn't in the headlines very often even though she is all the rage with zoomers and millennials. Which is it? You seem to be downplaying her influence all of a sudden.

Oh man, I have no idea how old you are but this is 100% a generational thing. She interacts with constituents and Americans through social media, Twitch, Reddit, among other platforms (like Nintendo Online).

Being in the news isn't what makes you influential anymore. Do younger people even watch the news? (few of my friends have cable lol.)

But it's also why attacking her only grows her base. She ends up in the headlines, expanding her demographic to a place she usually doesn't penetrate often (aka. mainstream media and cable).

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If the internet itself is the town square then what if the tech giants combined are restricting conservative speech? They might not be colluding but isn't it a defacto monopoly if collectively they are restricting platforms that appeal to conservatives?

How is Amazon Web Services removal of Parler different from Comcast being able to restrict bandwidth?

Was the removal of Parler justified? Was more of the Capitol riot planning done on Facebook and other platforms? If yes, whey aren't they being punished? What about the planning for the BLM/AnTiFa riots? Why aren't the social media platforms where those riots were coordinated being restricted? How is restricting an individual or platform such as Parler any different than a baker refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding?

I'm not sure this is as cut-and-dried as people on either side want to make it. There is definitely hypocrisy and double standards in determining what is and isn't acceptable.

We can definitely argue, and probably agree, about the monopolization of the internet. That's an issue we need to start tackling.

But fundamentally, I'm perfectly fine with a business not wanting to associate with another business.

Capitalism is the ultimate cancel culture.

And yes, I agree Facebook and Twitter and other sites are as much - if not more - to blame for the radicalization of ideas.

[UNI88]

If the internet itself is the town square then what if the tech giants combined are restricting conservative speech? They might not be colluding but isn't it a defacto monopoly if collectively they are restricting platforms that appeal to conservatives?

How is Amazon Web Services removal of Parler different from Comcast being able to restrict bandwidth?

Was the removal of Parler justified? Was more of the Capitol riot planning done on Facebook and other platforms? If yes, whey aren't they being punished? What about the planning for the BLM/AnTiFa riots? Why aren't the social media platforms where those riots were coordinated being restricted? How is restricting an individual or platform such as Parler any different than a baker refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding?

I'm not sure this is as cut-and-dried as people on either side want to make it. There is definitely hypocrisy and double standards in determining what is and isn't acceptable.

We can definitely argue, and probably agree, about the monopolization of the internet. That's an issue we need to start tackling.

But fundamentally, I'm perfectly fine with a business not wanting to associate with another business.

Capitalism is the ultimate cancel culture.

And yes, I agree Facebook and Twitter and other sites are as much - if not more - to blame for the radicalization of ideas.

[AZGrizFan]

So you claim she'll be POTUS one day but are now back peddling and claiming she isn't in the headlines very often even though she is all the rage with zoomers and millennials. Which is it? You seem to be downplaying her influence all of a sudden.

Oh man, I have no idea how old you are but this is 100% a generational thing. She interacts with constituents and Americans through social media, Twitch, Reddit, among other platforms (like Nintendo Online).

Being in the news isn't what makes you influential anymore. Do younger people even watch the news? (few of my friends have cable lol.)

But it's also why attacking her only grows her base. She ends up in the headlines, expanding her demographic to a place she usually doesn't penetrate often (aka. mainstream media and cable).

Worked exactly that way for Trump too. Worked through social media, attacking him only grew his base. Monkey see, monkey do.

[BDKJMU]

@ SD. That looks helluva photoshopped. It's not the logo she uses on her emails and I'm on her mailing list and didn't get it.

I also did a reverse image search and it's only circulating among the right's Twittersphere. Look at the text that's circled in red...seems manipulated. Also like any good politician, she usually asks for money somewhere (although not always).

Don't use social media as a source; the irony in the pic is that it's probably disinformation. Find a primary source and I'll admit she's wrong.

[BDKJMU]

I'm not on social media (unless a message board counts as social media), but for those that are, some tips for getting around the Big Tech thought police:
https://politicallyincorrecthumor.com/l ... ensorship/

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^ So here's a great example of disinformation that Rep. Nancy Mace fell for, and BDK spreads.

Let's address the first panel: it's photoshopped. One quick look at the primary source and it says:

"Ocasio-Cortez said that an individual actually entered her office, forcing her to take refuge inside her bathroom after her legislative director Geraldo Bonilla-Chavez told her to "hide, hide, run and hide."

(the individual turns out to be a police officer btw, but she didn't know this)

Let's address the second panel, Newsweek (incorrectly) prints "mob" but regardless, it's not attributable to Ocasio-Cortez. It's probably just an innocent misprint or bad grammar on Newsweek's part (people call out the mistake in the comments), but combine the second panel with the photoshopped quote and you essentially create a brand new narrative which looks like it comes from a reputable news source.

The result is disinformation being spread by actual congress critters - which then makes its way elsewhere - thanks to the likes of BDK who scan their social media accounts and can't bother to actually read the primary information source.

And for those who care, the Newsweek story: https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-oca ... ie-1565977

[UNI88]

^ So here's a great example of disinformation that Rep. Nancy Mace fell for, and BDK spreads.

Let's address the first panel: it's photoshopped. One quick look at the primary source and it says:

"Ocasio-Cortez said that an individual actually entered her office, forcing her to take refuge inside her bathroom after her legislative director Geraldo Bonilla-Chavez told her to "hide, hide, run and hide."

(the individual turns out to be a police officer btw, but she didn't know this)

Let's address the second panel, Newsweek (incorrectly) prints "mob" but regardless, it's not attributable to Ocasio-Cortez. It's probably just an innocent misprint or bad grammar on Newsweek's part (people call out the mistake in the comments), but combine the second panel with the photoshopped quote and you essentially create a brand new narrative which looks like it comes from a reputable news source.

The result is disinformation being spread by actual congress critters - which then makes its way elsewhere - thanks to the likes of BDK who scan their social media accounts and can't bother to actually read the primary information source.

And for those who care, the Newsweek story: https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-oca ... ie-1565977

So her overreacting to the situation, thinking her life was in danger and the resulting psychological trauma are the fault of her legislative director Geraldo Bonilla-Chavez for telling her to "hide, hide, run and hide."?

In other words - Fall on your sword minion for I am too important to take responsibility!

And was Representative Mace wrong when she tweeted?

"@AOC made clear she didn’t know who was at her door. Breathless attempts by media to fan fictitious news flames are dangerous.

My office is 2 doors down. Insurrectionists never stormed our hallway. Egregious doesn’t even begin to cover it. Is there nothing MSM won’t politicize?"

Did AOChe think there was a mob at her door or was the media attempting to fan the flames?

And I think it is fair to ask if AOChe overreacted.

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I simply know my reaction to anyone affected by a traumatic event isn't going to be calling the person dramatic, no matter if I can relate or not. Hell, grown men here post things which clearly affect them and we don't question their reactions.

It was probably scarier for her than most in the building because she knows she's the right’s bogeyman. If you hear news a mob has breached the complex you're in, and find yourself alone in an area vulnerable to attack, how scared would you be? Add into it the more generic survival instincts of being a young woman faced with the possibility of angry, violent men, and yeah she's got the right to imagine her death or rape and feel afraid.

Just seems like a lot of victim blaming in this thread by some.

[AZGrizFan]

I simply know my reaction to anyone affected by a traumatic event isn't going to be calling the person dramatic, no matter if I can relate or not. Hell, grown men here post things which clearly affect them and we don't question their reactions.

It was probably scarier for her than most in the building because she knows she's the right’s bogeyman. If you hear news a mob has breached the complex you're in, and find yourself alone in an area vulnerable to attack, how scared would you be? Add into it the more generic survival instincts of being a young woman faced with the possibility of angry, violent men, and yeah she's got the right to imagine her death or rape and feel afraid.

Just seems like a lot of victim blaming in this thread by some.

Well, everything else that comes out of her mouth is imaginary, so why not that, huh?

[BDKJMU]

I simply know my reaction to anyone affected by a traumatic event isn't going to be calling the person dramatic, no matter if I can relate or not. Hell, grown men here post things which clearly affect them and we don't question their reactions.

It was probably scarier for her than most in the building because she knows she's the right’s bogeyman. If you hear news a mob has breached the complex you're in, and find yourself alone in an area vulnerable to attack, how scared would you be? Add into it the more generic survival instincts of being a young woman faced with the possibility of angry, violent men, and yeah she's got the right to imagine her death or rape and feel afraid.

Just seems like a lot of victim blaming in this thread by some.

How chauvinist and sexist of you..

[UNI88]

I simply know my reaction to anyone affected by a traumatic event isn't going to be calling the person dramatic, no matter if I can relate or not. Hell, grown men here post things which clearly affect them and we don't question their reactions.

It was probably scarier for her than most in the building because she knows she's the right’s bogeyman. If you hear news a mob has breached the complex you're in, and find yourself alone in an area vulnerable to attack, how scared would you be? Add into it the more generic survival instincts of being a young woman faced with the possibility of angry, violent men, and yeah she's got the right to imagine her death or rape and feel afraid.

Just seems like a lot of victim blaming in this thread by some.

I didn't call her dramatic, I asked if she overreacted. It's a fair question and her past experiences can be part of the context of the answer.

Not everything is black and white, one side is wrong, the other side is right. We can learn a lot from what happened at the Capitol but our learning will be significantly less if we're not honest with ourselves and open to other opinions and perspectives.

[Pwns]

"I'll listen to the scientists, unless it pisses the Teacher's Unions off."

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Here's Nancy Mace's account given on January 7 (10:44 to 35:19): https://play.acast.com/s/skullduggery/i ... istinchief

Some notable quotes straight from the transcript:

At one point we were stuck in a tunnel under the Capitol with several other members of Congress and maybe 100 staffers who were evacuated from Cannon. We were in this tunnel and then when we were able to get back to our offices. That's when the breach happened. We were put immediately into lockdown. We had to lock our office doors, turn off the lights, and we weren’t speaking. You could just hear the sirens all across the Capitol, and it was scary. I was worried about my staff. I wanted to make sure every person was accounted for and that we were all in a safe place.

We FaceTimed. We texted about every hour yesterday. I’m going to wait until I get home with their father. I’m a single mom and we’re going to have that conversation with them face to face. I don’t want them to be afraid that every time that mommy goes to D.C., that mommy’s life is in danger.

This is the same Nancy Mace that downplayed AOC's experience with disinformation. But hey, gotta get those political jabs in...

[kalm]

I simply know my reaction to anyone affected by a traumatic event isn't going to be calling the person dramatic, no matter if I can relate or not. Hell, grown men here post things which clearly affect them and we don't question their reactions.

It was probably scarier for her than most in the building because she knows she's the right’s bogeyman. If you hear news a mob has breached the complex you're in, and find yourself alone in an area vulnerable to attack, how scared would you be? Add into it the more generic survival instincts of being a young woman faced with the possibility of angry, violent men, and yeah she's got the right to imagine her death or rape and feel afraid.

Just seems like a lot of victim blaming in this thread by some.

I didn't call her dramatic, I asked if she overreacted. It's a fair question and her past experiences can be part of the context of the answer.

Not everything is black and white, one side is wrong, the other side is right. We can learn a lot from what happened at the Capitol but our learning will be significantly less if we're not honest with ourselves and open to other opinions and perspectives.

Boy howdy.

Being threatened is a part of the job for media types and politicians these days. It can also still be extremely traumatic even if it's only a perceived threat. That's the problem...you'll never know if your reaction is warranted unless you under-react.

Threats of violence are pretty damned black and white. Judging a person's level of reaction or motivations are the grey I suppose. In this instance, AOC received very recent threats pertaining to the election and transfer of power. Was she supposed to ignore what was happening because a group representing those who had threatened were clear across the campus?

The thought crossed my mind that perhaps she's taking advantage of a crisis and playing political theater with it. I personally am going to err on the side of caution and be empathetic toward her reaction.

Regardless, it's not a good look for Mace, Carlson, et al in the minds of most reasonable people. Another write up on it:

Boebert’s interview with Laura Ingraham came two hours after Tucker Carlson used his Fox News show to downplay the insurrection. Carlson mocked Ocasio-Cortez for fearing for her life, calling her account “crap,” and went as far as to deny that she was ever in danger.

“Trump voters weren’t trying to kill her,” Carlson claimed, even though videos of the mob make it quite clear any member of Congress who wasn’t doing Trump’s bidding was a target.

In reality, given the chaotic scenes of rioting and violence that unfolded in and around the Capitol on January 6, it’s surprising only five people died (not including two officers who were on the scene that day and have since died by suicide). But now that the country is almost a month and a presidential transition of power removed from that day, Republicans are trying to absolve themselves and their colleagues of any responsibility by minimizing what happened.

With the benefit of hindsight, it’s easy for someone like Mace who wasn’t a target of the Trump mob to say that Democratic elected officials really had nothing to fear. But that she’s doing so while misleading people about what Ocasio-Cortez said suggests she’s Trumpier than she initially may have appeared.

https://www.vox.com/2021/2/4/22266869/n ... n-hallways

[UNI88]

I didn't call her dramatic, I asked if she overreacted. It's a fair question and her past experiences can be part of the context of the answer.

Not everything is black and white, one side is wrong, the other side is right. We can learn a lot from what happened at the Capitol but our learning will be significantly less if we're not honest with ourselves and open to other opinions and perspectives.

Boy howdy.

Being threatened is a part of the job for media types and politicians these days. It can also still be extremely traumatic even if it's only a perceived threat. That's the problem...you'll never know if your reaction is warranted unless you under-react.

Threats of violence are pretty damned black and white. Judging a person's level of reaction or motivations are the grey I suppose. In this instance, AOC received very recent threats pertaining to the election and transfer of power. Was she supposed to ignore what was happening because a group representing those who had threatened were clear across the campus?

The thought crossed my mind that perhaps she's taking advantage of a crisis and playing political theater with it. I personally am going to err on the side of caution and be empathetic toward her reaction.

Regardless, it's not a good look for Mace, Carlson, et al in the minds of most reasonable people. Another write up on it:

Boebert’s interview with Laura Ingraham came two hours after Tucker Carlson used his Fox News show to downplay the insurrection. Carlson mocked Ocasio-Cortez for fearing for her life, calling her account “crap,” and went as far as to deny that she was ever in danger.

“Trump voters weren’t trying to kill her,” Carlson claimed, even though videos of the mob make it quite clear any member of Congress who wasn’t doing Trump’s bidding was a target.

In reality, given the chaotic scenes of rioting and violence that unfolded in and around the Capitol on January 6, it’s surprising only five people died (not including two officers who were on the scene that day and have since died by suicide). But now that the country is almost a month and a presidential transition of power removed from that day, Republicans are trying to absolve themselves and their colleagues of any responsibility by minimizing what happened.

With the benefit of hindsight, it’s easy for someone like Mace who wasn’t a target of the Trump mob to say that Democratic elected officials really had nothing to fear. But that she’s doing so while misleading people about what Ocasio-Cortez said suggests she’s Trumpier than she initially may have appeared.

https://www.vox.com/2021/2/4/22266869/n ... n-hallways

If "Threats of violence are pretty damned black and white" then from what I've read the threat of violence in the Cannon Building was white. And while I'm asking if AOChe might have overreacted, I'm not condemning her reaction because her history makes it a gray area and as I've said I've never experienced that.

As an aside, maybe AOChe should have a little more sympathy and respect for LE, many of whom have faced multiple traumatic experiences and are able to function despite the past trauma.

Since you quoted Vox can SG provide a rebuttal from Conservative Treehouse?

[kalm]

Boy howdy.

Being threatened is a part of the job for media types and politicians these days. It can also still be extremely traumatic even if it's only a perceived threat. That's the problem...you'll never know if your reaction is warranted unless you under-react.

Threats of violence are pretty damned black and white. Judging a person's level of reaction or motivations are the grey I suppose. In this instance, AOC received very recent threats pertaining to the election and transfer of power. Was she supposed to ignore what was happening because a group representing those who had threatened were clear across the campus?

The thought crossed my mind that perhaps she's taking advantage of a crisis and playing political theater with it. I personally am going to err on the side of caution and be empathetic toward her reaction.

Regardless, it's not a good look for Mace, Carlson, et al in the minds of most reasonable people. Another write up on it:



https://www.vox.com/2021/2/4/22266869/n ... n-hallways

If "Threats of violence are pretty damned black and white" then from what I've read the threat of violence in the Cannon Building was white. And while I'm asking if AOChe might have overreacted, I'm not condemning her reaction because her history makes it a gray area and as I've said I've never experienced that.

As an aside, maybe AOChe should have a little more sympathy and respect for LE, many of whom have faced multiple traumatic experiences and are able to function despite the past trauma.

Since you quoted Vox can SG provide a rebuttal from Conservative Treehouse?

Of course. Expected a remark on that. It just happened to be a quick and easy link with the pertinent quotes and facts in addition to the editorializing.

Not sure on the threat of violence being white comment. By black and white, I meant we can at least agree that threats of violence are wrong. And it wasn't just AOC's history of trauma which she referenced but the ongoing threats and promises of something coming down the pike on the 6th which were all over social media. I've been in a situation where my safety and my family's were threatened in our own home to the point where lawyers, weaponry, and LE were involved. It's not a fun experience to go through measuring the legitimacy of a threat and second guessing your preparation to meet it and reaction.

[Ibanez]

If the internet itself is the town square then what if the tech giants combined are restricting conservative speech? They might not be colluding but isn't it a defacto monopoly if collectively they are restricting platforms that appeal to conservatives?

How is Amazon Web Services removal of Parler different from Comcast being able to restrict bandwidth?

Was the removal of Parler justified? Was more of the Capitol riot planning done on Facebook and other platforms? If yes, whey aren't they being punished? What about the planning for the BLM/AnTiFa riots? Why aren't the social media platforms where those riots were coordinated being restricted? How is restricting an individual or platform such as Parler any different than a baker refusing to make a cake for a gay wedding?

I'm not sure this is as cut-and-dried as people on either side want to make it. There is definitely hypocrisy and double standards in determining what is and isn't acceptable.

Excellent points. What the Left advocates for and turns a blind eye wrt to SM censorship has been quite the calamity. I don't know what the solution is but agree that SM is the "modern day town square".

And the Parler saga disproved the whole "JuSt BuIlD yOuR oWn Sm" narrative.

I with you on this. SOcial Media is a town square.

It’s also a pox and needs to be dispensed with


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[BDKJMU]

If "Threats of violence are pretty damned black and white" then from what I've read the threat of violence in the Cannon Building was white. And while I'm asking if AOChe might have overreacted, I'm not condemning her reaction because her history makes it a gray area and as I've said I've never experienced that.

As an aside, maybe AOChe should have a little more sympathy and respect for LE, many of whom have faced multiple traumatic experiences and are able to function despite the past trauma.

Since you quoted Vox can SG provide a rebuttal from Conservative Treehouse?

Of course. Expected a remark on that. It just happened to be a quick and easy link with the pertinent quotes and facts in addition to the editorializing.

Not sure on the threat of violence being white comment. By black and white, I meant we can at least agree that threats of violence are wrong. And it wasn't just AOC's history of trauma which she referenced but the ongoing threats and promises of something coming down the pike on the 6th which were all over social media. I've been in a situation where my safety and my family's were threatened in our own home to the point where lawyers, weaponry, and LE were involved. It's not a fun experience to go through measuring the legitimacy of a threat and second guessing your preparation to meet it and reaction.

Alleged.

[BDKJMU]

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/02 ... se-n322225

[UNI88]

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/02 ... se-n322225

“Everybody’s experiences are different, and everybody’s experiences must be validated,” claimed Cori Bush. So why didn’t AOC validate Nancy Mace’s truthful experience that there were no attackers in the hallway she shared with AOC?

No, everyone’s experience is not equal. The experience of someone in the Capitol is going to be different than that of someone in another building six minutes away. The experience of Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) who was shot at by a Bernie Bro, harassed and pushed by leftist BLM protesters in August and attacked by his liberal neighbor who broke six of his ribs is not the same as that of Congress members who suffered no such harm or attack.

Fair questions/points?

[SDHornet]

So you claim she'll be POTUS one day but are now back peddling and claiming she isn't in the headlines very often even though she is all the rage with zoomers and millennials. Which is it? You seem to be downplaying her influence all of a sudden.

Oh man, I have no idea how old you are but this is 100% a generational thing. She interacts with constituents and Americans through social media, Twitch, Reddit, among other platforms (like Nintendo Online).

Being in the news isn't what makes you influential anymore. Do younger people even watch the news? (few of my friends have cable lol.)

But it's also why attacking her only grows her base. She ends up in the headlines, expanding her demographic to a place she usually doesn't penetrate often (aka. mainstream media and cable).

I never said she was influential because of the news. And calling out her lies in not an attack, more like a "fact check".

[SDHornet]

I simply know my reaction to anyone affected by a traumatic event isn't going to be calling the person dramatic, no matter if I can relate or not. Hell, grown men here post things which clearly affect them and we don't question their reactions.

It was probably scarier for her than most in the building because she knows she's the right’s bogeyman. If you hear news a mob has breached the complex you're in, and find yourself alone in an area vulnerable to attack, how scared would you be? Add into it the more generic survival instincts of being a young woman faced with the possibility of angry, violent men, and yeah she's got the right to imagine her death or rape and feel afraid.

Just seems like a lot of victim blaming in this thread by some.

You realize the timeline of events, based on her verbal account on the Insta, happened before anyone breached the Capitol building? How can she be fearful of a mob breaching a building when zero buildings were breached at the time she claims. Hell, the Cannon Building was cleared and authorized for re-entry not long after the mob breached/was let into the Capitol.

She made this whole thing up after the fact for political theatre and attention and got caught in her lie. It's that simple.

[BDKJMU]

Democrats care more about cabinet diversity than competency (as if thinking people didn't already know that)...honestly not much different than Trump putting sycophants and yes men in his cabinet.

I missed this a couple weeks ago in PA. The new PA Sec of Health, replacing the departed HeShe. 34 yr old attorney for Sec of Health in the middle of a pamdemic. Makes perfect sense. Political patonage continues to flourish in PA. Well, at least she looks like a woman..

[SDHornet]

Trip, this is where you come in with a "gubmint needs to stop expanding the deficit" take...