Coronavirus COVID-19

[Gil Dobie]

I know, right? I posted stats and you try really hard to dismiss them as fear porn. That’s called projection, and it ain’t just a river in Egypt. Reality is SCARY!

Reality. Like the fact the virus is 99.75% survivable?

Covid may be 99.75% survivable for the population as a whole, but not for all individuals in that population. It changes with age and co-morbidities.

I think we did a good job of keeping Covid numbers under control, if you compare it to the flu. Now that we have a vaccine, I can see covid being treated like the flu.

Flu
2017-18 - 45,000,000 cases, 61,000 deaths
2018-19 - 36,000,000 cases, 34,000 deaths
2019-20 - 38,000,000 cases, 22,000 deaths

Covid
2020-21 - 33,000,000 cases, 587,000 deaths

Flu
2010-20 - 296,000,000 cases, 350,000 deaths from the flu

[kalm]

I know, right? I posted stats and you try really hard to dismiss them as fear porn. That’s called projection, and it ain’t just a river in Egypt. Reality is SCARY!

Reality. Like the fact the virus is 99.75% survivable?

560,000

[GannonFan]

Reality. Like the fact the virus is 99.75% survivable?

Covid may be 99.75% survivable for the population as a whole, but not for all individuals in that population. It changes with age and co-morbidities.

I think we did a good job of keeping Covid numbers under control, if you compare it to the flu. Now that we have a vaccine, I can see covid being treated like the flu.

Flu
2017-18 - 45,000,000 cases, 61,000 deaths
2018-19 - 36,000,000 cases, 34,000 deaths
2019-20 - 38,000,000 cases, 22,000 deaths

Covid
2020-21 - 33,000,000 cases, 587,000 deaths

Flu
2010-20 - 296,000,000 cases, 350,000 deaths from the flu

Hard to say, there's so much evidence out there that COVID was far more widespread than that - you're only showing the confirmed cases, with so many folks being asymptomatic carriers the actual number of cases is likely a multiple, if not at least an order of magnitude, of what you're listing.

[kalm]

Covid may be 99.75% survivable for the population as a whole, but not for all individuals in that population. It changes with age and co-morbidities.

I think we did a good job of keeping Covid numbers under control, if you compare it to the flu. Now that we have a vaccine, I can see covid being treated like the flu.

Flu
2017-18 - 45,000,000 cases, 61,000 deaths
2018-19 - 36,000,000 cases, 34,000 deaths
2019-20 - 38,000,000 cases, 22,000 deaths

Covid
2020-21 - 33,000,000 cases, 587,000 deaths

Flu
2010-20 - 296,000,000 cases, 350,000 deaths from the flu

Hard to say, there's so much evidence out there that COVID was far more widespread than that - you're only showing the confirmed cases, with so many folks being asymptomatic carriers the actual number of cases is likely a multiple, if not at least an order of magnitude, of what you're listing.

Something tells me you’re absolutely right.

[89Hen]

We will NEVER know the real numbers for Covid. It was politicized and used by our medical system far too oft.

[kalm]

We will NEVER know the real numbers for Covid. It was politicized and used by our medical system far too oft.

Sincere question. I wonder how different things would have been had it not been politicized? Or if the numbers had been used less?

[SeattleGriz]

Hard to say, there's so much evidence out there that COVID was far more widespread than that - you're only showing the confirmed cases, with so many folks being asymptomatic carriers the actual number of cases is likely a multiple, if not at least an order of magnitude, of what you're listing.

Something tells me you’re absolutely right.

Pushing that IFR down to bad flu status.

[89Hen]

We will NEVER know the real numbers for Covid. It was politicized and used by our medical system far too oft.

Sincere question. I wonder how different things would have been had it not been politicized? Or if the numbers had been used less?

IMO fewer death totals.

[GannonFan]

We will NEVER know the real numbers for Covid. It was politicized and used by our medical system far too oft.

Sincere question. I wonder how different things would have been had it not been politicized? Or if the numbers had been used less?

I don't think that there's any doubt that we would've had less virus spread, less death, and less impact to people's lives. Everything from the start to now would've been so much easier. People would've been fine (or much more fine) with travel restrictions, in and out of the country as well, masks would've been better received (especially if consistently presented early on), and closures and business restrictions likely would've been more consistent and less restrictive. I know I've said it elsewhere, but we've known since early April 2020 what we had to do to safely get on with life - how schools could be open, how businesses could operate, etc. The politics around all of it on both sides got in the way of implementing that.

I think looking how vaccinations have gone, and how relatively successful they've been, from the development through the distribution and getting them into people's arms, that's been relatively less politicized and it is reflected in the success of it.

[Gil Dobie]

Covid may be 99.75% survivable for the population as a whole, but not for all individuals in that population. It changes with age and co-morbidities.

I think we did a good job of keeping Covid numbers under control, if you compare it to the flu. Now that we have a vaccine, I can see covid being treated like the flu.

Flu
2017-18 - 45,000,000 cases, 61,000 deaths
2018-19 - 36,000,000 cases, 34,000 deaths
2019-20 - 38,000,000 cases, 22,000 deaths

Covid
2020-21 - 33,000,000 cases, 587,000 deaths

Flu
2010-20 - 296,000,000 cases, 350,000 deaths from the flu

Hard to say, there's so much evidence out there that COVID was far more widespread than that - you're only showing the confirmed cases, with so many folks being asymptomatic carriers the actual number of cases is likely a multiple, if not at least an order of magnitude, of what you're listing.

True, these are the numbers we have. The flu is estimated, while Covid was an attempt to capture actual numbers. I doubt every death was tested for Covid, and some were listed as Covid, but Covid may not have been the main culprit. That number was estimated at a small percent at one time. So either or both numbers could be off on the high or low side.

[SDHornet]

Sincere question. I wonder how different things would have been had it not been politicized? Or if the numbers had been used less?

I don't think that there's any doubt that we would've had less virus spread, less death, and less impact to people's lives. Everything from the start to now would've been so much easier. People would've been fine (or much more fine) with travel restrictions, in and out of the country as well, masks would've been better received (especially if consistently presented early on), and closures and business restrictions likely would've been more consistent and less restrictive. I know I've said it elsewhere, but we've known since early April 2020 what we had to do to safely get on with life - how schools could be open, how businesses could operate, etc. The politics around all of it on both sides got in the way of implementing that.

I think looking how vaccinations have gone, and how relatively successful they've been, from the development through the distribution and getting them into people's arms, that's been relatively less politicized and it is reflected in the success of it.

Agreed.

[SDHornet]

[JohnStOnge]

People have wondered why CDC says to wear masks even if you are fully vaccinated. I think the epidemiological investigation described at https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7017e2.htm illustrates the reason.

It is about a COVID-19 outbreak that occurred at a Kentucky skilled nursing facility. The vaccine was the Pfizer vaccine. The good news is that vaccine efficacy was reported as being 86.5% among residents and 87.1% among staff. The bad news is that 18 of 71 fully vaccinated residents and 4 of 56 staff tested positive for the virus (SARS-CoV-2). So you can see that it is not a zero risk situation.

Red flag and basis for continued mask use: More than half of the total cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection among fully vaccinated persons, 14 of 22, were ASYMPTOMATIC. 12 of 18 among residents and 2 of 4 among staff. A person can be vaccinated, not become ill themselves, but be carrying the virus. In fact, vaccinated persons carrying the virus were far more likely to be asymptomatic. Now, they were far less likely to be carrying the virus to begin with. But if they WERE carrying the virus, they were less likely to show symptoms. The primary purpose of the mask is to reduce the risk of people who are infected from spreading to others.

When it came to death, 1 of 71 vaccinated residents died of COVID. It should be noted that 2 of 8 unvaccinated residents suffered that fate. None of the staff died.

One last matter of concern: There were four possible cases, 1 resident and 3 staff, where people had COVID-19 in the past and got infected again.

[kalm]

And on the heels of that ^^^

‘No vaccine for me! I’d rather own the libtards!’

Twelve years later, there’s another pandemic, another vaccine, and more vaccine hesitancy—but that hesitancy has spread differently within the population. Although public-health experts initially worried that Black Americans would be highly vaccine-hesitant, there’s now racial parity among people who want shots. Instead, young conservatives are the great outlier. According to Kaiser Family Foundation polling, 13 percent of Americans say they definitely won’t get a COVID-19 vaccine, but that includes 18 percent of people ages 30 to 49, and a whopping 29 percent of Republicans. Hesitancy is particularly high among people who live in rural areas and white evangelicals—for whom increased church attendance correlates with increased hesitancy, according to a survey from the Public Religion Research Institute.

COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy doesn’t line up with the H1N1 polling, nor with standard patterns of hesitancy—for example, crunchy left-wing opposition to childhood vaccinations. But the patterns do line up with resistance to mask wearing and stay-at-home orders.

In other words, the pattern of resistance to the coronavirus vaccines looks less like COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy and more like COVID-19 denialism. While a significant chunk of Americans profess to be uneasy about getting shots to prevent COVID-19, most come from the swath of the population that has tended to downplay the disease’s severity and to resist other measures to fight it, rather than the swaths that have resisted vaccines for other diseases.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... sm/618724/

[BDKJMU]

Reality. Like the fact the virus is 99.75% survivable?

560,000

Close to 33 million confirmed cases US. CDC said late last yr that they estimated 8 unknown/asymptomatic cases for every confirmed case. So that would mean about 300 million cases (IE most of the country) has had it. So 99.75% survivability sounds about right.

[kalm]

560,000

Close to 33 million confirmed cases US. CDC said late last yr that they estimated 8 unknown/asymptomatic cases for every confirmed case. So that would mean about 300 million cases (IE most of the country) has had it. So 99.75% survivability sounds about right.

And just like I pointed out last spring, Covid is the Walmart of viruses. High volume (cases) low quality (death rate).

‘560,000 have died...but hey...fucking 99%!’

[Ibanez]

560,000

Close to 33 million confirmed cases US. CDC said late last yr that they estimated 8 unknown/asymptomatic cases for every confirmed case. So that would mean about 300 million cases (IE most of the country) has had it. So 99.75% survivability sounds about right.

I'd be more concerned about the long lasting effects of COVID on survivors. Pulmonary and cardiac issues for the rest of your life (hell, even for months after) are more difficult to live with than death ( ). We're still learning about the after effects and it's overall impact on your health.

The politicization of public health is absurd and people should be embarrassed for engaging in it. You do what's best for the community, regardless how itchy it makes your face feel for a few minutes. You do what's best to keep your family safe. Mistakes will always be made when dealing with something that's new to a generation of people.

Spoiler: show

According to the CDC, 72.4% of deaths last year were attributed to COVID (with ~22% more deaths than usual in a given year).

While a recovery rate of 97-99.75% is great, that doesn't mean something that we had never seen before, couldn't plan or predict, isn't something we should be cautious about. The asinine comparisons to the flu or something else is nothing more than ignorance. Comparing a known disease to an unknown one doesn't make much logical sense. We're a year in now. We've learned a lot about it. We've learned the similarities and differences between the two.

[kalm]

Close to 33 million confirmed cases US. CDC said late last yr that they estimated 8 unknown/asymptomatic cases for every confirmed case. So that would mean about 300 million cases (IE most of the country) has had it. So 99.75% survivability sounds about right.

I'd be more concerned about the long lasting effects of COVID on survivors. Pulmonary and cardiac issues for the rest of your life (hell, even for months after) are more difficult to live with than death ( ). We're still learning about the after effects and it's overall impact on your health.

The politicization of public health is absurd and people should be embarrassed for engaging in it. You do what's best for the community, regardless how itchy it makes your face feel for a few minutes. You do what's best to keep your family safe. Mistakes will always be made when dealing with something that's new to a generation of people.

Spoiler: show

According to the CDC, 72.4% of deaths last year were attributed to COVID (with ~22% more deaths than usual in a given year).

While a recovery rate of 97-99.75% is great, that doesn't mean something that we had never seen before, couldn't plan or predict, isn't something we should be cautious about. The asinine comparisons to the flu or something else is nothing more than ignorance. Comparing a known disease to an unknown one doesn't make much logical sense. We're a year in now. We've learned a lot about it. We've learned the similarities and differences between the two.

Good post.

[SeattleGriz]

And on the heels of that ^^^

‘No vaccine for me! I’d rather own the libtards!’

Twelve years later, there’s another pandemic, another vaccine, and more vaccine hesitancy—but that hesitancy has spread differently within the population. Although public-health experts initially worried that Black Americans would be highly vaccine-hesitant, there’s now racial parity among people who want shots. Instead, young conservatives are the great outlier. According to Kaiser Family Foundation polling, 13 percent of Americans say they definitely won’t get a COVID-19 vaccine, but that includes 18 percent of people ages 30 to 49, and a whopping 29 percent of Republicans. Hesitancy is particularly high among people who live in rural areas and white evangelicals—for whom increased church attendance correlates with increased hesitancy, according to a survey from the Public Religion Research Institute.

COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy doesn’t line up with the H1N1 polling, nor with standard patterns of hesitancy—for example, crunchy left-wing opposition to childhood vaccinations. But the patterns do line up with resistance to mask wearing and stay-at-home orders.

In other words, the pattern of resistance to the coronavirus vaccines looks less like COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy and more like COVID-19 denialism. While a significant chunk of Americans profess to be uneasy about getting shots to prevent COVID-19, most come from the swath of the population that has tended to downplay the disease’s severity and to resist other measures to fight it, rather than the swaths that have resisted vaccines for other diseases.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... sm/618724/

Really? Not worried about COVID AND not worried about getting a vaccine for said disease you're not worried about.

The Atlantic really worked hard to tie those two groups together.

[JohnStOnge]

Reality. Like the fact the virus is 99.75% survivable?

Covid may be 99.75% survivable for the population as a whole, but not for all individuals in that population. It changes with age and co-morbidities.

I think we did a good job of keeping Covid numbers under control, if you compare it to the flu. Now that we have a vaccine, I can see covid being treated like the flu.

Flu
2017-18 - 45,000,000 cases, 61,000 deaths
2018-19 - 36,000,000 cases, 34,000 deaths
2019-20 - 38,000,000 cases, 22,000 deaths

Covid
2020-21 - 33,000,000 cases, 587,000 deaths

Flu
2010-20 - 296,000,000 cases, 350,000 deaths from the flu

One thing to keep in mind is that those numbers for the flu are estimates while the numbers normally reported for for COVID-19 are counts. To see how CDC estimates of COVID-19 number look, go to https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... urden.html. Right now it's just for February through December 2020. And it has it at 70.4 million symptomatic cases.

They don't estimate deaths there. But when you are comparing flu deaths to COVID-19 deaths, know that the flu deaths are estimates while the COVID deaths are counts. If you go to the CDC page on estimating flu burden at https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/ho ... imates.htm you see that they are estimating deaths and going beyond numbers reported on death certificates. The numbers we are seeing for COVID deaths are pretty much what's seen on death certificates (see https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm). If and when they decide to estimate numbers of deaths the numbers are going to be higher.

[BDKJMU]

CDC now says the fully vaccinated can go outside without a mask on. I know for the sheeple this is a big change. For the rest of us, it changes nothing.

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[Ibanez]

CDC now says the fully vaccinated can go outside without a mask on. I know for the sheeple this is a big change. For the rest of us, it changes nothing.

A die hard MAGA cultist like yourself calling other people sheep is fucking hysterical.


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[Gil Dobie]

A die hard MAGA cultist like yourself calling other people sheep is fucking hysterical.


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Paranoid schizophrenics.

[BDKJMU]

CDC now says the fully vaccinated can go outside without a mask on. I know for the sheeple this is a big change. For the rest of us, it changes nothing.

A die hard MAGA cultist like yourself calling other people sheep is fucking hysterical.


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Ok, so you're one of those scared sheeple who has been wearing a mask outside.