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[AZGrizFan]

Some thoughts/questions:

• Some people are getting another job and good for them! Some people are staying home and collecting unemployment.
• How great is the risk from Americans too ignorant or selfish to get vaccinated/wear a mask if the service industry employee is vaccinated? Vaccines are available, why can't people mitigate their risk by getting vaccinated?
• COVID is infectious and can be deadly and while it isn't the flu/a hoax, it also isn't as infectious or deadly as the MSM has led people to believe.
• FACE it -the Democratic Party wants docile sheep to accept an ever expanding government so they can control people.

Even when vaccinated, there is still a risk of infection - it is greatly reduced, but a risk non the less - the more people you encounter, the more chances to interact with an unvaccinated person.

Not sure where you are coming up with "not as infectious or deadly as MSM would make you believe - 600,000 (and more likely 900,000) would disagree if they could.

LMAO - the Democratic Party is the one with the free thinkers. If you don't toe the QOP line, you are out the door.

You mean free thinkers, like you?

[89Hen]

Yeah, that Jon actually thinks that tells you all you need to know about how false that is.

[GannonFan]

Please - you're a zealot for the Dems, of course you'd see it that way. But that's your bias talking. Do you really think Joe Manchin is feeling the kumbya and hugs from the far left of his party? Right now, both parties cater to their own extremes - there's not a lot of "free thinking" going on amongst the power brokers in either party.

The fact that we have Joe Manchin in the party makes the Democratic Party far more free-thinking that the cult of Trump

Doesn't the GOP have similar folks like Susan Collins and Liz Cheyney? You make it seem like there are only more moderate voices in the Democratic party when there are clearly ones just like them in the GOP party, and in both cases the zealots in those parties are doing all they can to silence and dismiss those moderate voices.

[dbackjon]

The fact that we have Joe Manchin in the party makes the Democratic Party far more free-thinking that the cult of Trump

Doesn't the GOP have similar folks like Susan Collins and Liz Cheyney? You make it seem like there are only more moderate voices in the Democratic party when there are clearly ones just like them in the GOP party, and in both cases the zealots in those parties are doing all they can to silence and dismiss those moderate voices.

Liz Chaney isn't moderate - but she does recognize the danger that Trump presents to America - and she was promptly removed from leadership, and Trump is leading the charge to primary her (as well as every other Republican that dared to cross him).


Big difference.

[GannonFan]

Doesn't the GOP have similar folks like Susan Collins and Liz Cheyney? You make it seem like there are only more moderate voices in the Democratic party when there are clearly ones just like them in the GOP party, and in both cases the zealots in those parties are doing all they can to silence and dismiss those moderate voices.

Liz Chaney isn't moderate - but she does recognize the danger that Trump presents to America - and she was promptly removed from leadership, and Trump is leading the charge to primary her (as well as every other Republican that dared to cross him).


Big difference.

Susan Collins then???

[UNI88]

Please - you're a zealot for the Dems, of course you'd see it that way. But that's your bias talking. Do you really think Joe Manchin is feeling the kumbya and hugs from the far left of his party? Right now, both parties cater to their own extremes - there's not a lot of "free thinking" going on amongst the power brokers in either party.

The fact that we have Joe Manchin in the party makes the Democratic Party far more free-thinking that the cult of Trump

The "free thinkers" with Justice America are trying to primary Danny Davis (D - Illinois), Jim Cooper (D - Tennessee). They've talked about going after Manchin as well.

[BDKJMU]

For Decades the GOP's response to low wages was, well, if you don't like it, get another job.

Now, the GOP is complaining because people did what they wanted - GOT ANOTHER JOB.


People are less willing to work for crappy wages in a service industry where both the owners/managers and the customers treat them poorly, risking their life because 30% of Americans are too ignorant to get vaccinated or selfish to wear a mask.

FACE it -the GOP wants docile sheep to accept poor wages so the owners can rake in the money. Want better employees - PAY MORE, provide better working conditions, and support your employees.

Don’t be such a drama queen. No one is risking their life to work because of the China Virus. Anyone who wants a vaccine could have gotten one a month ago, if not earlier. If you’re vaxxed, you have a slim chance of getting a mild case. Almost zero chance of dying. And wearing a worthless woke mask isn’t going to make a difference.

Pay the bottom more, then you have to pay everyone more. Then you have more inflation, and we’re right back to where we started.

[BDKJMU]

For Decades the GOP's response to low wages was, well, if you don't like it, get another job.

Now, the GOP is complaining because people did what they wanted - GOT ANOTHER JOB.


People are less willing to work for crappy wages in a service industry where both the owners/managers and the customers treat them poorly, risking their life because 30% of Americans are too ignorant to get vaccinated or selfish to wear a mask.



FACE it -the GOP wants docile sheep to accept poor wages so the owners can rake in the money. Want better employees - PAY MORE, provide better working conditions, and support your employees.

Not arguing all of this, but where do you get this idea that people "got another job"? I thought the recent stats say something like 9.3 million unemployed people, 8.1 million open jobs, and still 7.6 million less employed people than in February of 2020. That's a lot of people who haven't gotten another job.

Darn you with those pesky facts..

[CID1990]

The other part of the problem is why would any reasonable person go work for less. Like it or not, people who work in retail and hospitality (the two biggest industries, IIRC, facing the shortages) don't receive a livable wage. You may say serving Whoppers isn't a career but for many it is. If those people can get more by doing less, than that's just human nature. The industries are going to have to change how they pay / recruit / hire people to obtain a workforce.

Same goes with construction, landscape, tree trimmer, etc … My neighbor owns the family lawn care and tree trimming business built by his great grandfather in the 40s. He's admitted that he could pay better and that's partly to blame for him not having enough employees. He also realizes that if he increases an expense...he's going to have to raise prices. That's the nature of business.

It's harsh to cut these people off from the extra unemployment, so many of them really struggle through no fault of their own. But at the same time - it's government ASSISTANCE but it's been transformed into government RELIANCE. If you don't want to work, fine but you aren't getting a red cent from us.

To continue receiving unemployment, don't you have to prove that you're looking for work? I'm not familiar with the system but are there any safeguards to help curb abuse of it?

I’m not trying to sound all Cleetzy here, Mark -

But it sure sounds like you are starting to hate poor people


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[AZGrizFan]

For Decades the GOP's response to low wages was, well, if you don't like it, get another job.

Now, the GOP is complaining because people did what they wanted - GOT ANOTHER JOB.


People are less willing to work for crappy wages in a service industry where both the owners/managers and the customers treat them poorly, risking their life because 30% of Americans are too ignorant to get vaccinated or selfish to wear a mask.



FACE it -the GOP wants docile sheep to accept poor wages so the owners can rake in the money. Want better employees - PAY MORE, provide better working conditions, and support your employees.

you are so misguided it’s almost cute.

The GOP’s response to low wages was “get trained and a BETTER job”. Never have I ever heard a GOP platform of “get another job”. And Ganny has already punctured this argument anyways with ACTUAL facts….

And nobody is risking their life in ANY job in this country except Military, cops and firemen.

And if we pay more, how can people ever afford all that Chinese crap they buy from Walmart for pennies on the dollar?

[Ibanez]

The other part of the problem is why would any reasonable person go work for less. Like it or not, people who work in retail and hospitality (the two biggest industries, IIRC, facing the shortages) don't receive a livable wage. You may say serving Whoppers isn't a career but for many it is. If those people can get more by doing less, than that's just human nature. The industries are going to have to change how they pay / recruit / hire people to obtain a workforce.

Same goes with construction, landscape, tree trimmer, etc … My neighbor owns the family lawn care and tree trimming business built by his great grandfather in the 40s. He's admitted that he could pay better and that's partly to blame for him not having enough employees. He also realizes that if he increases an expense...he's going to have to raise prices. That's the nature of business.

It's harsh to cut these people off from the extra unemployment, so many of them really struggle through no fault of their own. But at the same time - it's government ASSISTANCE but it's been transformed into government RELIANCE. If you don't want to work, fine but you aren't getting a red cent from us.

To continue receiving unemployment, don't you have to prove that you're looking for work? I'm not familiar with the system but are there any safeguards to help curb abuse of it?

I’m not trying to sound all Cleetzy here, Mark -

But it sure sounds like you are starting to hate poor people


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wut? By suggesting that they work and not be reliant on the government?

[CID1990]

I’m not trying to sound all Cleetzy here, Mark -

But it sure sounds like you are starting to hate poor people


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wut? By suggesting that they work and not be reliant on the government?

That is precisely the point in the conversation where he would lament Republican dislike of the poor

I’m partially trying to coax him out


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