Coronavirus COVID-19

[AshevilleApp]

A friend posted this information on Facebook , except for using "This year" instead of "During that same time period". This is the only blurb I found without digging deep, and it came from the Chattanooga Times Free Press. I don't want to open up an account with them, so I grabbed what I could.

"During that same time period, the Tennessee Department of Health reported 4,621 coronavirus deaths and 5,879 hospitalizations, meaning Tennesseans who haven't been vaccinated account for 97.2% of hospitalizations and 99.5% of deaths."

I can't (actually won't) corroborate the information. And if true, it doesn't list the numbers of hospitalizations/deaths that happened prior to the vaccine being readily available vs after. But they are interesting numbers all the same.

Died with or from? Is there still is a monetary stake for hospitals/insurance companies to have patients test positive with the China Virus?

Look it up yourself. I already stated that I wouldn't.

[kalm]

It's not thanks to Trump and Operation Warpspeed. That idea is an example of Trump taking credit for things that are not his doing. It was advances in vaccine development technology along with the fact that a lot of work had already been done of vaccines against SARS-CoV. If Operation Warpspeed was the reason vaccines were developed so quickly, why did the Russians have an effective vaccine ready for use before we did? That had nothing to do with Trump. Pfizer was not part of Operation Warpspeed. What happened with respect to rapid vaccine development did not happen because of Trump.

You're called StWrong for many reasons, so I'm gonna drop this here, just for you.

Facts First: Pfizer's vaccine progress is certainly not solely attributable to the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed public-private partnership program. But it was not accurate for Pfizer to suggest that it is operating entirely apart from Operation Warp Speed; the company has a major agreement to sell at least 100 million doses of its vaccine to the federal government, and Pfizer acknowledged in a Monday statement to CNN that it is in fact "participating" in Operation Warp Speed through this deal. Also, at least some independent experts say the Trump administration deserves partial credit for Pfizer's progress.
It's true that Pfizer, unlike some other pharmaceutical companies, did not accept federal money for research into a coronavirus vaccine. Pfizer, unlike these competitors, is not getting payments up front even before proving its effort has been successful.
However, the Trump administration agreed in July to buy at least $1.95 billion worth of a Pfizer vaccine, at least 100 million doses, if Pfizer does get a vaccine authorized by the Food and Drug Administration.
Three experts told CNN that this purchase promise may have played an important role in expediting Pfizer's vaccine development process. So after Pfizer's initial claim to the New York Times that it has never been part of Operation Warp Speed, CNN asked the company if there was any more nuance to the situation.
In response, Pfizer spokesperson Sharon Castillo provided a statement that said the company is indeed part of Operation Warp Speed.
"Pfizer is one of various vaccine manufacturers participating in Operation Warp Speed as a supplier of a potential COVID-19 vaccine," Castillo said in an email. "While Pfizer did reach an advanced purchase agreement with the U.S. government, the company did not accept (Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority) funding for the research and development process. All the investment for R&D was made by Pfizer at risk. Dr. Jansen was emphasizing that last point."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/10/poli ... index.html

Virologists and epidemiologists were freaked the fuck out by preceding break outs over the past couple of decades. The heavy lifting of R&D occurred long before Warp Speed. Trump gets credit for cutting red tape and striking financial deals but it’s not as if another president wouldn’t have done the same or it wasn’t happening elsewhere in the world.

Not much incorrect with JSO’s post.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-car ... 9-vaccines

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-chec ... 396c1e3b5f

[SeattleGriz]

You're called StWrong for many reasons, so I'm gonna drop this here, just for you.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/10/poli ... index.html

Virologists and epidemiologists were freaked the fuck out by preceding break outs over the past couple of decades. The heavy lifting of R&D occurred long before Warp Speed. Trump gets credit for cutting red tape and striking financial deals but it’s not as if another president wouldn’t have done the same or it wasn’t happening elsewhere in the world.

Not much incorrect with JSO’s post.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-car ... 9-vaccines

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-chec ... 396c1e3b5f

Is that why all the "experts" came out saying Trump was wrong? It was going to take years. Surely they must have known the pharmaceutical industry was ready to pump one out...unless they were all just trying to make Trump look bad.

[kalm]

Virologists and epidemiologists were freaked the fuck out by preceding break outs over the past couple of decades. The heavy lifting of R&D occurred long before Warp Speed. Trump gets credit for cutting red tape and striking financial deals but it’s not as if another president wouldn’t have done the same or it wasn’t happening elsewhere in the world.

Not much incorrect with JSO’s post.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-car ... 9-vaccines

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-chec ... 396c1e3b5f

Is that why all the "experts" came out saying Trump was wrong? It was going to take years. Surely they must have known the pharmaceutical industry was ready to pump one out...unless they were all just trying to make Trump look bad.

Don’t remember that. We’re they basing it on his awesome organizational skillz?!?

[Baldy]

You're called StWrong for many reasons, so I'm gonna drop this here, just for you.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/11/10/poli ... index.html

Virologists and epidemiologists were freaked the fuck out by preceding break outs over the past couple of decades. The heavy lifting of R&D occurred long before Warp Speed. Trump gets credit for cutting red tape and striking financial deals but it’s not as if another president wouldn’t have done the same or it wasn’t happening elsewhere in the world.

Not much incorrect with JSO’s post.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-car ... 9-vaccines

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-chec ... 396c1e3b5f

Of course.

[SeattleGriz]

Is that why all the "experts" came out saying Trump was wrong? It was going to take years. Surely they must have known the pharmaceutical industry was ready to pump one out...unless they were all just trying to make Trump look bad.

Don’t remember that. We’re they basing it on his awesome organizational skillz?!?

You don't? Huh. Must not have happened then.

[kalm]

Virologists and epidemiologists were freaked the fuck out by preceding break outs over the past couple of decades. The heavy lifting of R&D occurred long before Warp Speed. Trump gets credit for cutting red tape and striking financial deals but it’s not as if another president wouldn’t have done the same or it wasn’t happening elsewhere in the world.

Not much incorrect with JSO’s post.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-car ... 9-vaccines

https://apnews.com/article/ap-fact-chec ... 396c1e3b5f

Of course.

Two whole words of contribution, rather than just an emoji?

I’m gosh darn proud of ya!

[kalm]

Don’t remember that. We’re they basing it on his awesome organizational skillz?!?

You don't? Huh. Must not have happened then.

Show me where all the experts said this. And where the white lab coat bad guy touched you.

[SeattleGriz]

You don't? Huh. Must not have happened then.

Show me where all the experts said this. And where the white lab coat bad guy touched you.

There's a whole slew of these stories. Trump's a rube and doesn't understand vaccine development.

Trump apparently WAS a miracle worker.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... s-n1207411

President Donald Trump has suggested multiple times that a coronavirus vaccine could come within months, an accelerated timeline that prominent health experts and veteran vaccine developers say is unlikely absent a miracle.

[kalm]

Show me where all the experts said this. And where the white lab coat bad guy touched you.

There's a whole slew of these stories. Trump's a rube and doesn't understand vaccine development.

Trump apparently WAS a miracle worker.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... s-n1207411

President Donald Trump has suggested multiple times that a coronavirus vaccine could come within months, an accelerated timeline that prominent health experts and veteran vaccine developers say is unlikely absent a miracle.

The experts I read (in addition to predicting surges and other timeline related predictions) pretty much nailed the vaccine roll out. They also didn’t suggest it would be gone in a few weeks.

[Baldy]

Of course.

Two whole words of contribution, rather than just an emoji?

I’m gosh darn proud of ya!

You had JSO definitively stating as a matter of fact that Pfizer was absolutely not a part of Operation Warpspeed. I provided direct links to the actual Pfizer spokesperson stating that yes, they actually were a part of Warpspeed.

You predictably state very incorrectly that there was "not much incorrect" with JSO's post.

There's nothing left to do but laugh when someone makes a fool of themself.

[kalm]

Two whole words of contribution, rather than just an emoji?

I’m gosh darn proud of ya!

You had JSO definitively stating as a matter of fact that Pfizer was absolutely not a part of Operation Warpspeed. I provided direct links to the actual Pfizer spokesperson stating that yes, they actually were a part of Warpspeed.

You predictably state very incorrectly that there was "not much incorrect" with JSO's post.

There's nothing left to do but laugh when someone makes a fool of themself.

Ok...like I said...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicag ... utType=amp

Look...I know you guys just can’t quit Trump...but don’t forget to mind the step children while you’re down there...

[JohnStOnge]

Two whole words of contribution, rather than just an emoji?

I’m gosh darn proud of ya!

You had JSO definitively stating as a matter of fact that Pfizer was absolutely not a part of Operation Warpspeed. I provided direct links to the actual Pfizer spokesperson stating that yes, they actually were a part of Warpspeed.

You predictably state very incorrectly that there was "not much incorrect" with JSO's post.

There's nothing left to do but laugh when someone makes a fool of themself.

https://factcheck.afp.com/pfizers-role- ... ued-online

News of promising results from a coronavirus vaccine developed by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer sparked misinformation about the company’s role in the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed, an effort to deliver a Covid-19 shot nationwide. While Pfizer benefited from the government's vaccine fund, this was to supply and distribute the vaccine, not to develop it.

I went back and checked my post to confirm that I was talking about the rapid development of vaccines. Trump had nothing to do with the rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine. The vaccines were not developed as rapidly as they were because of anything Trump did. Really, I guess I could leave Pfizer out of it and just point out that other vaccines were developed globally very rapidly that obviously had nothing to do with Trump. But rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine wasn't because of Trump either.

I did say unequivocally that Pfizer was not involved in Operation Warp Speed. I didn't say Pfizer's DEVELOPMENT of the vaccine was not involved in that. OK. Fine. That was wrong. They became involved on the supply and distribution end. But the main thing I was trying to get to is that Trump was not the reason for the rapid development of the vaccines. It wasn't a situation in which, if it hadn't been for Trump, it'd have been years before vaccines were developed.

It really is, or at least should be, obvious that vaccines would have been developed as rapidly as they were without Trump and Operation Warp Speed. "Operation Warp Speed" is just Trump putting a brand out so he can claim credit for something. I think it's reasonable to suggest that "Operation Warp Speed" refers to developing vaccines rapidly. And there's no evidence that it had any effect in that regard.

[kalm]

You had JSO definitively stating as a matter of fact that Pfizer was absolutely not a part of Operation Warpspeed. I provided direct links to the actual Pfizer spokesperson stating that yes, they actually were a part of Warpspeed.

You predictably state very incorrectly that there was "not much incorrect" with JSO's post.

There's nothing left to do but laugh when someone makes a fool of themself.

https://factcheck.afp.com/pfizers-role- ... ued-online

News of promising results from a coronavirus vaccine developed by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer sparked misinformation about the company’s role in the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed, an effort to deliver a Covid-19 shot nationwide. While Pfizer benefited from the government's vaccine fund, this was to supply and distribute the vaccine, not to develop it.

Trump had nothing to do with the rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine. The vaccines were not developed as rapidly as they were because of anything Trump did. Really, I guess I could leave Pfizer out of it and just point out that other vaccines were developed globally very rapidly that obviously had nothing to do with Trump. But rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine wasn't because of Trump either.

Remember, Baldy...there’s nothing left to do but laugh...

[SeattleGriz]

You had JSO definitively stating as a matter of fact that Pfizer was absolutely not a part of Operation Warpspeed. I provided direct links to the actual Pfizer spokesperson stating that yes, they actually were a part of Warpspeed.

You predictably state very incorrectly that there was "not much incorrect" with JSO's post.

There's nothing left to do but laugh when someone makes a fool of themself.

https://factcheck.afp.com/pfizers-role- ... ued-online

News of promising results from a coronavirus vaccine developed by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer sparked misinformation about the company’s role in the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed, an effort to deliver a Covid-19 shot nationwide. While Pfizer benefited from the government's vaccine fund, this was to supply and distribute the vaccine, not to develop it.

I went back and checked my post to confirm that I was talking about the rapid development of vaccines. Trump had nothing to do with the rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine. The vaccines were not developed as rapidly as they were because of anything Trump did. Really, I guess I could leave Pfizer out of it and just point out that other vaccines were developed globally very rapidly that obviously had nothing to do with Trump. But rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine wasn't because of Trump either.

I did say unequivocally that Pfizer was not involved in Operation Warp Speed. I didn't say Pfizer's DEVELOPMENT of the vaccine was not involved in that. OK. Fine. That was wrong. They became involved on the supply and distribution end. But the main thing I was trying to get to is that Trump was not the reason for the rapid development of the vaccines. It wasn't a situation in which, if it hadn't been for Trump, it'd have been years before vaccines were developed.

It really is, or at least should be, obvious that vaccines would have been developed as rapidly as they were without Trump and Operation Warp Speed. "Operation Warp Speed" is just Trump putting a brand out so he can claim credit for something. I think it's reasonable to suggest that "Operation Warp Speed" refers to developing vaccines rapidly. And there's no evidence that it had any effect in that regard.

Of course Trump didn't help the development, that wasn't his job. His job was to clear red tape and get the pharmaceutical companies money. He also set up a distribution plan. He did his part fully in the development and distribution of the vaccine.

[Baldy]

You had JSO definitively stating as a matter of fact that Pfizer was absolutely not a part of Operation Warpspeed. I provided direct links to the actual Pfizer spokesperson stating that yes, they actually were a part of Warpspeed.

You predictably state very incorrectly that there was "not much incorrect" with JSO's post.

There's nothing left to do but laugh when someone makes a fool of themself.

https://factcheck.afp.com/pfizers-role- ... ued-online

News of promising results from a coronavirus vaccine developed by pharmaceutical giant Pfizer sparked misinformation about the company’s role in the Trump administration's Operation Warp Speed, an effort to deliver a Covid-19 shot nationwide. While Pfizer benefited from the government's vaccine fund, this was to supply and distribute the vaccine, not to develop it.

I went back and checked my post to confirm that I was talking about the rapid development of vaccines. Trump had nothing to do with the rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine. The vaccines were not developed as rapidly as they were because of anything Trump did. Really, I guess I could leave Pfizer out of it and just point out that other vaccines were developed globally very rapidly that obviously had nothing to do with Trump. But rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine wasn't because of Trump either.

I did say unequivocally that Pfizer was not involved in Operation Warp Speed. I didn't say Pfizer's DEVELOPMENT of the vaccine was not involved in that. OK. Fine. That was wrong. They became involved on the supply and distribution end. But the main thing I was trying to get to is that Trump was not the reason for the rapid development of the vaccines. It wasn't a situation in which, if it hadn't been for Trump, it'd have been years before vaccines were developed.

It really is, or at least should be, obvious that vaccines would have been developed as rapidly as they were without Trump and Operation Warp Speed. "Operation Warp Speed" is just Trump putting a brand out so he can claim credit for something. I think it's reasonable to suggest that "Operation Warp Speed" refers to developing vaccines rapidly. And there's no evidence that it had any effect in that regard.

Everything you're spewing in that word diarrhea quoted above, and the misleading information in the "fact check" you linked to is in direct conflict with what Pfizer has stated in official communications.

NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... rnment-600

While Pfizer did not get paid up front, it agreed to take $2 billion from the program if it met the program's deadline of delivering 100 million doses of the vaccine by the end of 2020.
To make it easier for you to understand, it's no different than negotiating an agreement with a kid in your neighborhood on whether you're going to pay him up front or after he finishes cutting your grass.

[Baldy]

https://factcheck.afp.com/pfizers-role- ... ued-online



Trump had nothing to do with the rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine. The vaccines were not developed as rapidly as they were because of anything Trump did. Really, I guess I could leave Pfizer out of it and just point out that other vaccines were developed globally very rapidly that obviously had nothing to do with Trump. But rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine wasn't because of Trump either.

Remember, Baldy...there’s nothing left to do but laugh...

Says the one giving JSO a reach around.

[SeattleGriz]

https://factcheck.afp.com/pfizers-role- ... ued-online



I went back and checked my post to confirm that I was talking about the rapid development of vaccines. Trump had nothing to do with the rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine. The vaccines were not developed as rapidly as they were because of anything Trump did. Really, I guess I could leave Pfizer out of it and just point out that other vaccines were developed globally very rapidly that obviously had nothing to do with Trump. But rapid development of the Pfizer vaccine wasn't because of Trump either.

I did say unequivocally that Pfizer was not involved in Operation Warp Speed. I didn't say Pfizer's DEVELOPMENT of the vaccine was not involved in that. OK. Fine. That was wrong. They became involved on the supply and distribution end. But the main thing I was trying to get to is that Trump was not the reason for the rapid development of the vaccines. It wasn't a situation in which, if it hadn't been for Trump, it'd have been years before vaccines were developed.

It really is, or at least should be, obvious that vaccines would have been developed as rapidly as they were without Trump and Operation Warp Speed. "Operation Warp Speed" is just Trump putting a brand out so he can claim credit for something. I think it's reasonable to suggest that "Operation Warp Speed" refers to developing vaccines rapidly. And there's no evidence that it had any effect in that regard.

Everything you're spewing in that word diarrhea quoted above, and the misleading information in the "fact check" you linked to is in direct conflict with what Pfizer has stated in official communications.

NEW YORK & MAINZ, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) today announced the execution of an agreement with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services and the Department of Defense to meet the U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed program goal to begin delivering 300 million doses of a vaccine for COVID-19 in 2021.

https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-relea ... rnment-600

While Pfizer did not get paid up front, it agreed to take $2 billion from the program if it met the program's deadline of delivering 100 million doses of the vaccine by the end of 2020.
To make it easier for you to understand, it's no different than negotiating an agreement with a kid in your neighborhood on whether you're going to pay him up front or after he finishes cutting your grass.

SeattleGrizbiasfactcheck rates this as true!

[kalm]

Remember, Baldy...there’s nothing left to do but laugh...

Says the one giving JSO a reach around.

It’s ok, kid. Better luck next time!

[SeattleGriz]

There's a whole slew of these stories. Trump's a rube and doesn't understand vaccine development.

Trump apparently WAS a miracle worker.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald ... s-n1207411

The experts I read (in addition to predicting surges and other timeline related predictions) pretty much nailed the vaccine roll out. They also didn’t suggest it would be gone in a few weeks.

Apparently you and Trump were talking to the same experts.

[kalm]

The experts I read (in addition to predicting surges and other timeline related predictions) pretty much nailed the vaccine roll out. They also didn’t suggest it would be gone in a few weeks.

Apparently you and Trump were talking to the same experts.

I listen and read. Trump just talks. Then, you follow.

[houndawg]

I hope you aren't going to fall for their bullshit and get vacinated. Don't let some pointy-head book-reader tell you how to live your life.

Why not? Thanks to President Trump and Operation Warpspeed, I and most of the people I know got the jab as soon as we were eligible.

sheeple, every one of ya...

[UNI88]

Says the one giving JSO a reach around.

It’s ok, kid. Better luck next time!

What does Baldy need luck for? I don't think he wants to give JSO a reach around.

[Baldy]

It’s ok, kid. Better luck next time!

What does Baldy need luck for? I don't think he wants to give JSO a reach around.

Well, to each their own. Whatever makes them happy.

[UNI88]

Hannity pleads with his viewers to get vaccinated: 'I believe in the science of vaccination'

"Please take COVID seriously," begged Hannity. "I can't say it enough. Enough people have died. We don't need anymore death. Research like crazy. Talk to your doctor, your doctors, medical professionals you trust based on your unique medical history, your current medical condition, and you and your doctor make a very important decision for your own safety. Take it seriously."
...
While Carlson continues to question the vaccine, Hannity made it clear he trusts it. "It absolutely makes sense for many Americans to get vaccinated. I believe in science, I believe in the science of vaccination," Hannity said.

But while Hannity pleaded with his viewers to get vaccinated, the primetime host also noted that it's important to do the research first.

RINO ...