Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Right behind my post claiming 49%, Kalm backs me up. At the time you claimed 70%. Later, you claimed 70% and backpedaled to 60%.
That's you, not me.

Well you were both wrong with 49%.

When did I say “49%”?



What’s it actually at now and what was it when I made the “just over 50%” post?

[BDKJMU]

Well you were both wrong with 49%.

When did I say “49%”?



What’s it actually at now and what was it when I made the “just over 50%” post?

Well, “just over 50%“ was also wrong..

[kalm]

When did I say “49%”?



What’s it actually at now and what was it when I made the “just over 50%” post?

Well, “just over 50%“ was also wrong..

Was it?

Can you admit you were wrong?

[BDKJMU]

Well you were both wrong with 49%.

As of this post, your link shows 49.7% vaccinated. The only group over 70% is seniors. We ain't there yet.

I was pretty clear. It had gone up by about .4% when Kalm replied.

It's you. Just say, "my bad. I was wrong again"

Wrong again Bobby. I clearly said ADULTS in my OP. You replied that the link showed '49.7%', which wasn't adults, but the whole population. Reading is fundamental.

[BDKJMU]

Well, “just over 50%“ was also wrong..

Was it?

Yes- that‘s like in a game you lost by 30 “We lost by just over a touchdown.“

[Ibanez]

Breakthrough cases do not occur because the vaccines are ineffective. Immunity can wane over time, and a vaccine might be less effective for a given pathogen. The measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine is one example: its protection against measles is strong, but the immunity to mumps it confers is less so, Talaat says.

Even the mighty measles vaccine has a breakthrough infection history. One measles outbreak in the late 1980s that largely involved vaccinated young people led to a policy change calling for two doses instead of one. The first MMR dose confers about 90 percent protection for a lifetime, Talaat says, but the second dose covers about half of the remaining 10 percent. Given the high contagiousness of measles, getting the highest possible coverage is crucial.

Influenza vaccines are the inoculations that are most associated with breakthrough infections. If such cases of flu were tracked as closely as breakthrough SARS-CoV-2 infections, “there would be so many more” of the former, Smith says, because “we know the flu vaccine is not as effective.” Breakthrough COVID cases, she says, are “just another Wednesday,” compared with those that occur with other vaccines.

The COVID vaccines appear to be faring better than those for influenza usually do. The shots neutralize COVID variants quite effectively so far. Grassly says, that, in fact, COVID does not overcome immunity as much as influenza viruses do. And some types of influenza are just better at dodging what human ingenuity throws at them, making for some flu seasons with very low-efficacy vaccines and plenty of breakthrough cases.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... e-failing/

[kalm]

Was it?

Yes- that‘s like in a game you lost by 30 “We lost by just over a touchdown.“

What was the percentage when I made the post? Show your work.

[kalm]

120,000 new cases yesterday. WA state was at almost 3,000.

One of my best friends is flying to Austin to say goodbye to his dad. It was sad to follow his decline from testing to hospitalization to struggling with oxygen levels to intubation. 64 years old and was a Covid denier. His wife had to go get secretly vaccinated and hide it from the family.

[Ibanez]

120,000 new cases yesterday. WA state was at almost 3,000.

One of my best friends is flying to Austin to say goodbye to his dad. It was sad to follow his decline from testing to hospitalization to struggling with oxygen levels to intubation. 64 years old and was a Covid denier. His wife had to go get secretly vaccinated and hide it from the family.

I'm not sure if I shared it on here - a friend of mine had an employee quit b/c he thinks COVID will eventually end our society. Delta is just the beginning...the variants that'll follow will quicken our demise. He quit b/c he didn't want to waste what little time we have left by working.

[Ivytalk]

120,000 new cases yesterday. WA state was at almost 3,000.

One of my best friends is flying to Austin to say goodbye to his dad. It was sad to follow his decline from testing to hospitalization to struggling with oxygen levels to intubation. 64 years old and was a Covid denier. His wife had to go get secretly vaccinated and hide it from the family.

I'm not sure if I shared it on here - a friend of mine had an employee quit b/c he thinks COVID will eventually end our society. Delta is just the beginning...the variants that'll follow will quicken our demise. He quit b/c he didn't want to waste what little time we have left by working.

Sounds like an ill-fated character in a Robin Cook novel.

[SDHornet]

120,000 new cases yesterday. WA state was at almost 3,000.

One of my best friends is flying to Austin to say goodbye to his dad. It was sad to follow his decline from testing to hospitalization to struggling with oxygen levels to intubation. 64 years old and was a Covid denier. His wife had to go get secretly vaccinated and hide it from the family.

I'm not sure if I shared it on here - a friend of mine had an employee quit b/c he thinks COVID will eventually end our society. Delta is just the beginning...the variants that'll follow will quicken our demise. He quit b/c he didn't want to waste what little time we have left by working.

In a way he is correct, hence the "new normal" narratives. However I don't think the China Virus will bring the end of society in a sense of everything stops functioning.

[Ibanez]

I'm not sure if I shared it on here - a friend of mine had an employee quit b/c he thinks COVID will eventually end our society. Delta is just the beginning...the variants that'll follow will quicken our demise. He quit b/c he didn't want to waste what little time we have left by working.

In a way he is correct, hence the "new normal" narratives. However I don't think the China Virus will bring the end of society in a sense of everything stops functioning.

He apparently meant the collapse of civilization.

[∞∞∞]

His wife had to go get secretly vaccinated and hide it from the family.

That's sad, but I'm glad she's getting vaccinated. I've been reading that getting vaccinated in secret is a rising trend.

When people need to hide things from family and friends... especially something as mundane as vaccinations
...perhaps they should consider that they've bought into the wrong idea. This fear of judgment by your peers is literally how cults operate.

[Ibanez]

His wife had to go get secretly vaccinated and hide it from the family.

That's sad, but I'm glad she's getting vaccinated. I've been reading that getting vaccinated in secret is a rising trend.

When people need to hide things from family and friends... especially something as mundane as vaccinations
...perhaps they should consider that they've bought into the wrong idea. This fear of judgment by your peers is literally how cults operate.

and political parties.....oh wait you already said "cult."

[SeattleGriz]

Not sure I agree wrecking the control group was the right thing.

Tens of thousands of people who volunteered to be in studies of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are still participating in follow-up research. But some key questions won't be easily answered, because many people who had been in the placebo group have now opted to take the vaccine.

Opted to take the vaccine because they were told their status and then offered. How can they compare to the control group now?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ing-immuni

[UNI88]

Not sure I agree wrecking the control group was the right thing.

Tens of thousands of people who volunteered to be in studies of the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines are still participating in follow-up research. But some key questions won't be easily answered, because many people who had been in the placebo group have now opted to take the vaccine.

Opted to take the vaccine because they were told their status and then offered. How can they compare to the control group now?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ing-immuni

From a scientific perspective it probably wasn't the right thing. From a humanitarian perspective, it probably was the right thing.

[SeattleGriz]

Not sure I agree wrecking the control group was the right thing.



Opted to take the vaccine because they were told their status and then offered. How can they compare to the control group now?

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-sho ... ing-immuni

From a scientific perspective it probably wasn't the right thing. From a humanitarian perspective, it probably was the right thing.

The IFR is .26%, meaning 99.74% of the population lives if they catch COVID. Those are pretty slim odds to destroy the control group. If the thoughts that COVID cases have been under reported is true, it pushes that number even smaller.

[UNI88]

From a scientific perspective it probably wasn't the right thing. From a humanitarian perspective, it probably was the right thing.

The IFR is .26%, meaning 99.74% of the population lives if they catch COVID. Those are pretty slim odds to destroy the control group. If the thoughts that COVID cases have been under reported is true, it pushes that number even smaller.

Pretty slim odds if you're sitting on the outside looking in. What if you're in the control group and you have a preexisting condition that makes you more susceptible?

The overall IFR isn't as relevant as as the IFR for non-immunized people. Also, how do the variants impact IFR.

I'm all for science but I'm not sure I'm going to risk my life to maintain the sanctity of the control group. These are people not lab rats and they should be able to decide what's best for them.

[SDHornet]

[SeattleGriz]

Joe did a good job of explaining the issue. First time I've ever really gotten a chance to listen to him.

[AZGrizFan]

Joe did a good job of explaining the issue. First time I've ever really gotten a chance to listen to him.

He’s right a LOT.

[SeattleGriz]

Sounds really bad on top, but when you read facility for the elderly, you realize it's the advanced age/comorbidity issue raising it's head. Although the numbers are not looking good.

This also raises the question about vaxxed employees and if they will bring COVID into the facilities.

I was really glad Joe Rogan talked about how there has been nothing said about improving our health to better cope with disease. I talk about health and fitness a lot with my family, but not anyone else, due to not wanting to "judge" anyone. Maybe we need to bring back more health and PE classes for our kids. Been thinking that for years.

https://therayfield.com/majority-of-hos ... tal-doctor

An Israeli doctor says that the majority of COVID-19 patients hospitalized at his hospital are fully vaccinated and those with severe illness have also been vaccinated. Talking with Channel 13 TV News on August 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem said that “85 to 90 percent of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people,” and “95 percent of the severe patients are vaccinated.” Herzog Hospital specializes in nursing care for the elderly.

[kalm]

Sounds really bad on top, but when you read facility for the elderly, you realize it's the advanced age/comorbidity issue raising it's head. Although the numbers are not looking good.

This also raises the question about vaxxed employees and if they will bring COVID into the facilities.

I was really glad Joe Rogan talked about how there has been nothing said about improving our health to better cope with disease. I talk about health and fitness a lot with my family, but not anyone else, due to not wanting to "judge" anyone. Maybe we need to bring back more health and PE classes for our kids. Been thinking that for years.

https://therayfield.com/majority-of-hos ... tal-doctor

An Israeli doctor says that the majority of COVID-19 patients hospitalized at his hospital are fully vaccinated and those with severe illness have also been vaccinated. Talking with Channel 13 TV News on August 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, medical director of Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem said that “85 to 90 percent of the hospitalizations are in fully vaccinated people,” and “95 percent of the severe patients are vaccinated.” Herzog Hospital specializes in nursing care for the elderly.

Rogan was very correct on advice for improving overall health. He’s been cringe worthy when it comes to other measures.

The article was interesting. I guess Fauci and the NIH funding is now a hoax since the article confirms it was caused by the Chinese Communist Party?

Or maybe Fauci and the NIH ARE the CCP?

[∞∞∞]

Every time anyone posts Joe Rogan, it reminds me of his sad devolution into stupidity and ignorance.

The "before this country" argument from a factual perspective is wrong, but setting that aside, the whole clip just shows his complete lack of understanding in how freedom in democratic societies (including the United States) actually work. It's also shows complete ignorance of how humans ensure their survival by protecting themselves against segments of society who abuse rights given to them.

Freedom isn't some carte blanche to not give a sh*t about others.

Also I can't believe he said "where are the people out there telling people to get healthy?" Give me a fucking break. Every god damn doctor and scientist and nutritionist, your gym teachers in grade school, "big" government, some black chick name Michelle Obama, random people on TV, your friends and family, CS threads, celebrities, sports commercials, etc. have been promoting healthy behavior since forever. And we allow the freedom to ignore that advice because in general, it only hurts you and not others. That's how freedom works.

[kalm]

An anti-vaccine right-wing radio host in West Palm Beach, Florida died Wednesday from COVID-19 complications.

Dick Farrel, 65, used his local talk show and social media to rail against Dr. Anthony Fauci, who he called a “power tripping lying freak,” and say that no one should get the coronavirus vaccine. When COVID-19 sent him to the hospital for three weeks, though, he changed his tune, urging friends to get vaccinated, friends told local station WPTV.

Farrel wrote in early July, “Vaccine Bogus Bull Shid!, Two peeps I know, got vaxed, now have Corona, hospitalized critical. Thank you Moderna, FOR NOTHING!” He erroneously told his followers they would not need the vaccine if they had already survived COVID-19. The CDC has advised former coronavirus patients to get vaccinated.

Two days later, he wrote, “Why take a vax promoted by people who lied 2u all along about masks.” He called Fauci “FOOT-chee” and said that the infectious disease expert and “power trip libb loons” Democrats were conspiring to make it seem like the pandemic was ongoing so they could grab more power.

In late June, he wrote, “So, u think it wasn’t a SCAM DEMIC? NOT ONE ELECTED DEMOCRAT ever tested positive.” He called masks “face diapers” and “face pantys.”


https://www.thedailybeast.com/anti-vaxx ... P51_QU_GKc