Coronavirus COVID-19

[SeattleGriz]

[SuperHornet]

WHO-CDC Disconnect....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus- ... 07234.html

[SDHornet]

500 pages. We did it!!!!

[GannonFan]

WHO-CDC Disconnect....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus- ... 07234.html

I'm not sure what the WHO thinks would happen. It'll take years to get the rest of the world to the level of vaccination we have in the US right now. We can probably make what's needed, but the problem will be getting them to people. So should we just wait another year or two, at the best, before we administer the booster, especially when all the research is saying the booster is needed because of losing potency?

[GannonFan]

Work just said starting next week if you want to eschew wearing a mask you need to sign a form saying you've been vaccinated and you need to provide proof of vaccination. Otherwise you need to wear a mask. Up to now it's just been the honor system, you could not wear a mask if you were vaccinated but no one would ask or check. Basically the last step before a vaccine mandate and a way to check who's been vaccinated. It's a plant setting so there's probably a fear that a vaccine mandate would lose employees - still tons of help wanted signs everywhere around here, especially at the operator level, so they could leave and not have a problem finding another job. Interesting times.

[kalm]

WHO-CDC Disconnect....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus- ... 07234.html

I'm not sure what the WHO thinks would happen. It'll take years to get the rest of the world to the level of vaccination we have in the US right now. We can probably make what's needed, but the problem will be getting them to people. So should we just wait another year or two, at the best, before we administer the booster, especially when all the research is saying the booster is needed because of losing potency?

Read a report regarding breakthrough cases in Israel. Sharp increases in cases and hospitalizations with something like over 50% of the cases from fully vaxed people. Vax’s work just not as well as hoped for. Now they’re saying to prepare for years until/unless a variant effective vax is created and 80% of the world gets it.

I’ll try and find the link later.

Happy Wednesday!

[kalm]

Work just said starting next week if you want to eschew wearing a mask you need to sign a form saying you've been vaccinated and you need to provide proof of vaccination. Otherwise you need to wear a mask. Up to now it's just been the honor system, you could not wear a mask if you were vaccinated but no one would ask or check. Basically the last step before a vaccine mandate and a way to check who's been vaccinated. It's a plant setting so there's probably a fear that a vaccine mandate would lose employees - still tons of help wanted signs everywhere around here, especially at the operator level, so they could leave and not have a problem finding another job. Interesting times.

City of Spokane’s Republican mayor just ordered a mask mandate for all employees. Providence Healthcare (a large regional provider) is requiring vax passports for all employees starting October 1st. Fox News is doing the same.

[UNI88]

And in Oregon, DeSantis' mirror twin, Governor Kate Brown ...

Gov. Brown sends message to school leaders frustrated by mask mandate

Some school leaders in Oregon have expressed frustration over what they describe as a loss of local control when it comes to making decisions.

Time for the liberals who criticized DeSantis' mask mandates to exchange playbooks with the conservatives who cheered them.

[SeattleGriz]

Work just said starting next week if you want to eschew wearing a mask you need to sign a form saying you've been vaccinated and you need to provide proof of vaccination. Otherwise you need to wear a mask. Up to now it's just been the honor system, you could not wear a mask if you were vaccinated but no one would ask or check. Basically the last step before a vaccine mandate and a way to check who's been vaccinated. It's a plant setting so there's probably a fear that a vaccine mandate would lose employees - still tons of help wanted signs everywhere around here, especially at the operator level, so they could leave and not have a problem finding another job. Interesting times.

I keep wondering if they are going to allow people to show Ab titers to show immunity. It was already readily apparent natural immunity is better than vaccine induced immunity and the studies just keep on showing that as well.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm not sure what the WHO thinks would happen. It'll take years to get the rest of the world to the level of vaccination we have in the US right now. We can probably make what's needed, but the problem will be getting them to people. So should we just wait another year or two, at the best, before we administer the booster, especially when all the research is saying the booster is needed because of losing potency?

Read a report regarding breakthrough cases in Israel. Sharp increases in cases and hospitalizations with something like over 50% of the cases from fully vaxed people. Vax’s work just not as well as hoped for. Now they’re saying to prepare for years until/unless a variant effective vax is created and 80% of the world gets it.

I’ll try and find the link later.

Happy Wednesday!

We cannot vax our way out of a pandemic with a non sterilizing vaccine. That has been said from the very start.

[BDKJMU]

If this is accurate/up to date, 11 blue states & 2 red states with donk govs mandating useless statewide mask requirement. 7 red states with statewide prohibition:
https://about.burbio.com/school-mask-policies-by-state/

[Gil Dobie]

I'm not sure what the WHO thinks would happen. It'll take years to get the rest of the world to the level of vaccination we have in the US right now. We can probably make what's needed, but the problem will be getting them to people. So should we just wait another year or two, at the best, before we administer the booster, especially when all the research is saying the booster is needed because of losing potency?

Read a report regarding breakthrough cases in Israel. Sharp increases in cases and hospitalizations with something like over 50% of the cases from fully vaxed people. Vax’s work just not as well as hoped for. Now they’re saying to prepare for years until/unless a variant effective vax is created and 80% of the world gets it.

I’ll try and find the link later.

Happy Wednesday!

Sounds like 50% of the Israeli population took the Pfizer Vaccine. It's about 39% successful in Israel, projected 42%. Moderna is projected at 72% reliable against the variants.

[Winterborn]

Read a report regarding breakthrough cases in Israel. Sharp increases in cases and hospitalizations with something like over 50% of the cases from fully vaxed people. Vax’s work just not as well as hoped for. Now they’re saying to prepare for years until/unless a variant effective vax is created and 80% of the world gets it.

I’ll try and find the link later.

Happy Wednesday!

We cannot vax our way out of a pandemic with a non sterilizing vaccine. That has been said from the very start.

Zero deaths is a good marketing slogan, but when it comes to real world actions it is just that, a slogan that can not be implemented.

See New Zealand. One case, lock down ~5 million people. And the lockdowns in Australia.

[Winterborn]

And in Oregon, DeSantis' mirror twin, Governor Kate Brown ...

Gov. Brown sends message to school leaders frustrated by mask mandate

Some school leaders in Oregon have expressed frustration over what they describe as a loss of local control when it comes to making decisions.

Time for the liberals who criticized DeSantis' mask mandates to exchange playbooks with the conservatives who cheered them.

The way I would of worded the regulation would be to put the power in the parents hands. If their parent wants their kid to wear a mask, they are free to do so and vice-versa. This whole situation has proven that one-size fits all "solutions" do not work.

[Gil Dobie]

Read a report regarding breakthrough cases in Israel. Sharp increases in cases and hospitalizations with something like over 50% of the cases from fully vaxed people. Vax’s work just not as well as hoped for. Now they’re saying to prepare for years until/unless a variant effective vax is created and 80% of the world gets it.

I’ll try and find the link later.

Happy Wednesday!

We cannot vax our way out of a pandemic with a non sterilizing vaccine. That has been said from the very start.

It took quite a few years to vax our way out of small pox, polio etc. That's with most people voluntarily lining up for a vax. When I was in grade school, we liked up, walked into the lunch room and everyone got a vax. We did that at least 3 times that I can remember.

[AZGrizFan]

We cannot vax our way out of a pandemic with a non sterilizing vaccine. That has been said from the very start.

It took quite a few years to vax our way out of small pox, polio etc. That's with most people voluntarily lining up for a vax. When I was in grade school, we liked up, walked into the lunch room and everyone got a vax. We did that at least 3 times that I can remember.

Except those were ACTUAL vaccines….big, big difference.

[SeattleGriz]

We cannot vax our way out of a pandemic with a non sterilizing vaccine. That has been said from the very start.

It took quite a few years to vax our way out of small pox, polio etc. That's with most people voluntarily lining up for a vax. When I was in grade school, we liked up, walked into the lunch room and everyone got a vax. We did that at least 3 times that I can remember.

Agreed, but those were sterilizing vaccines. They stopped the diseases. The COVID vaccines are not sterilizing.

The only way I see us getting out of this is when everyone actually catches COVID. We are seeing the vaccine help those most susceptible, so keep an eye on those and let them catch the variants.

[AZGrizFan]

It took quite a few years to vax our way out of small pox, polio etc. That's with most people voluntarily lining up for a vax. When I was in grade school, we liked up, walked into the lunch room and everyone got a vax. We did that at least 3 times that I can remember.

Agreed, but those were sterilizing vaccines. They stopped the diseases. The COVID vaccines are not sterilizing.

The only way I see us getting out of this is when everyone actually catches COVID. We are seeing the vaccine help those most susceptible, so keep an eye on those and let them catch the variants.

The variants are coming from the vaccinated by the way.

My boss said essentially the same thing about 2 months into this. Expose everyone, and let the chips fall where they may….and ALLEGEDLY, the entire purpose of social distancing and lockdowns was to “shrink the curve”….it wasn’t to eradicate the virus, it was to avoid overwhelming hospitals. The goalposts moves to eradication pretty quickly, and that’s not a viable alternative at this point….so lets get on with it. Expose people and let’s cull the herd.

[UNI88]

And in Oregon, DeSantis' mirror twin, Governor Kate Brown ...

Gov. Brown sends message to school leaders frustrated by mask mandate

Time for the liberals who criticized DeSantis' mask mandates to exchange playbooks with the conservatives who cheered them.

The way I would of worded the regulation would be to put the power in the parents hands. If their parent wants their kid to wear a mask, they are free to do so and vice-versa. This whole situation has proven that one-size fits all "solutions" do not work.

Isn't a state government telling local governments that in every case it is an individual's/parent's decision also a one-size fits all solution?

My faith in government is: local > state > federal.

[AZGrizFan]

The way I would of worded the regulation would be to put the power in the parents hands. If their parent wants their kid to wear a mask, they are free to do so and vice-versa. This whole situation has proven that one-size fits all "solutions" do not work.

Isn't a state government telling local governments that in every case it is an individual's/parent's decision also a one-size fits all solution?

My faith in government is: local > state > federal.

No. It’s a state government telling individuals they have freedom of choice.

[UNI88]

Isn't a state government telling local governments that in every case it is an individual's/parent's decision also a one-size fits all solution?

My faith in government is: local > state > federal.

No. It’s a state government telling individuals they have freedom of choice.

Which is a one sizes fits all solution for the entire state. You support it because you agree with it.

[SeattleGriz]

Agreed, but those were sterilizing vaccines. They stopped the diseases. The COVID vaccines are not sterilizing.

The only way I see us getting out of this is when everyone actually catches COVID. We are seeing the vaccine help those most susceptible, so keep an eye on those and let them catch the variants.

The variants are coming from the vaccinated by the way.

My boss said essentially the same thing about 2 months into this. Expose everyone, and let the chips fall where they may….and ALLEGEDLY, the entire purpose of social distancing and lockdowns was to “shrink the curve”….it wasn’t to eradicate the virus, it was to avoid overwhelming hospitals. The goalposts moves to eradication pretty quickly, and that’s not a viable alternative at this point….so lets get on with it. Expose people and let’s cull the herd.

And that is the beauty of having vaccines for those who are most susceptible. We can keep them protected, while the chips fall.

I'm going to go with what I have been saying. The vaccines are doing what they were supposed to do. It's our government that seems to be pounding the square peg in the round hole by trying to get to zero COVID.

Go back to the Desert Princess cruise ship. A perfect place for a study and only 20% came down with COVID. That matches up with the previous studies showing around 80% had some level of immunity.

[Gil Dobie]

It took quite a few years to vax our way out of small pox, polio etc. That's with most people voluntarily lining up for a vax. When I was in grade school, we liked up, walked into the lunch room and everyone got a vax. We did that at least 3 times that I can remember.

Agreed, but those were sterilizing vaccines. They stopped the diseases. The COVID vaccines are not sterilizing.

The only way I see us getting out of this is when everyone actually catches COVID. We are seeing the vaccine help those most susceptible, so keep an eye on those and let them catch the variants.

The variants are coming from the vaccinated by the way.

Duh, I just post Pfizer was 39% effective in Israel. You guys are responding with canned shit.

[SeattleGriz]

Agreed, but those were sterilizing vaccines. They stopped the diseases. The COVID vaccines are not sterilizing.

The only way I see us getting out of this is when everyone actually catches COVID. We are seeing the vaccine help those most susceptible, so keep an eye on those and let them catch the variants.

The variants are coming from the vaccinated by the way.

Duh, I just post Pfizer was 39% effective in Israel. You guys are responding with canned shit.

I stated the vaccine was non-sterilizing and you replied that you remember when you took vaccines that stopped illness.

Sounded like you were trying to rebut my claim with your own.

[Gil Dobie]

It took quite a few years to vax our way out of small pox, polio etc. That's with most people voluntarily lining up for a vax. When I was in grade school, we liked up, walked into the lunch room and everyone got a vax. We did that at least 3 times that I can remember.

Except those were ACTUAL vaccines….big, big difference.

2 doses of the polio vax is 90% effective. It takes 4 doses to be 100 % immune. Small pox vax works 3-5 years and is 95% effective. I get a Tetanus shot every 10 years. 1 dose of measles vax is 92% effective, 2 doses 97%. It takes 92% of the population to be vaxed to prevent a measles outbreak. I can see more outbreaks of disease in the future of this country because of politics and social media.