Coronavirus COVID-19

[BDKJMU]

At this point it does not matter, from a public standpoint, if you are vaxed or un-vaxed. Both spread it, both can catch it. They should be treated the same. At least the data supports having different restrictions if you want to break it up by age. But that would be ageist.

Requiring a vaccination card to attend certain events is nothing but a feel good placebo and a way to CYA for the venue.

Just like the masks on planes. Pure theater.
https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/two-airli ... lanes/amp/

[GannonFan]

At this point it does not matter, from a public standpoint, if you are vaxed or un-vaxed. Both spread it, both can catch it. They should be treated the same. At least the data supports having different restrictions if you want to break it up by age. But that would be ageist.

Requiring a vaccination card to attend certain events is nothing but a feel good placebo and a way to CYA for the venue.

At the rate we’re going, given the proliferation of various vaccines, variants, and boosters, a “vaccine passport “ will be the size of the Manhattan phone book (for those of you who remember phone books).

My booster shot has now taken up the remaining spot on the front of my card. Anything else goes on the back, so now I'll have to show two photos of the card going forward (I tend not to take the card with me, losing that means I'd have to get another or just print a fake one).

[kalm]

Yes. At least to be in large public gatherings or situations where social distancing is more difficult.

But the last numbers I thread still significantly reduced your chances of infection. Of course Omicron might be changing that.

They only reduce chance of infection for the first four to six months. The study I clobbered StOnge over show after 211 days the vaccine effectiveness actually goes negative, meaning you are more likely to catch Covid vs the unvaccinated.

Vaccine effectiveness is also affected by the fact it is for the original version and not this far down the variant path. This is why the boosters don't give you another 4-6 months. The virus has changed too much.

Damn antibody dependent enhancement. If only someone would have brought that topic up! We won't talk Original Antigenic Sin at this point either. Too scary.

Just admit it. You've been on the wrong side the whole time believing we could vaccinate our way out with a leaky vaccine.

I was hopeful. Different than believed. Your Monday morning QBing aside.

[AZGrizFan]

They only reduce chance of infection for the first four to six months. The study I clobbered StOnge over show after 211 days the vaccine effectiveness actually goes negative, meaning you are more likely to catch Covid vs the unvaccinated.

Vaccine effectiveness is also affected by the fact it is for the original version and not this far down the variant path. This is why the boosters don't give you another 4-6 months. The virus has changed too much.

Damn antibody dependent enhancement. If only someone would have brought that topic up! We won't talk Original Antigenic Sin at this point either. Too scary.

Just admit it. You've been on the wrong side the whole time believing we could vaccinate our way out with a leaky vaccine.

I was hopeful. Different than believed. Your Monday morning QBing aside.

it's not Monday morning QB'ing when he's been saying the same thing since day 1.

[AZGrizFan]

At this point it does not matter, from a public standpoint, if you are vaxed or un-vaxed. Both spread it, both can catch it. They should be treated the same. At least the data supports having different restrictions if you want to break it up by age. But that would be ageist.

Requiring a vaccination card to attend certain events is nothing but a feel good placebo and a way to CYA for the venue.

Just like the masks on planes. Pure theater.
https://nypost.com/2021/12/16/two-airli ... lanes/amp/

And the biggest irony of them all? For a virus that seems to LOVE attacking the fat, diabetic, out of shape people, what is the ONE activity you can do on an airplane that allows you to take off your mask for extended periods of time?

EAT.

[kalm]

I was hopeful. Different than believed. Your Monday morning QBing aside.

it's not Monday morning QB'ing when he's been saying the same thing since day 1.

Has he?

[AZGrizFan]

it's not Monday morning QB'ing when he's been saying the same thing since day 1.

Has he?

Pretty much, yeah.

[SeattleGriz]

it's not Monday morning QB'ing when he's been saying the same thing since day 1.

Has he?

[SeattleGriz]

Nothing wrong with claiming the vaccines prevented a lot of hospitalizations and deaths. They really only needed to get us to a weak version of COVID. We're pretty close now. Let's just open up the therapeutics for treatment. Unshackle the medical community.

[Ivytalk]

The SeattleGriz Cocktail: two shots Ivermectin and a splash of vermouth, on the rocks.

[JohnStOnge]

At this point it does not matter, from a public standpoint, if you are vaxed or un-vaxed. Both spread it, both can catch it. They should be treated the same. At least the data supports having different restrictions if you want to break it up by age. But that would be ageist.

Requiring a vaccination card to attend certain events is nothing but a feel good placebo and a way to CYA for the venue.

That is nonsense. The probabilities are not the same. If you ar vaccinated you are less likely to catch it. You are less likely to spread it. This is horrible that people continue to proffer this kind of misinformation.

No. They should not be treated the same.

[JohnStOnge]

The extent to which misinformation on the effect of vaccination has taken hold is breathtaking. It really is. If you are vaccinated, you are less likely to become infected to start with. That includes the Omicron variant. The effect is not as good as we would like. But it is there.

Also, should you become infected, vaccinated people are less likely to pass the disease on than unvaccinated people are. That is true with respect to the Omicron variant as well.

This "vaccination makes no difference" thing needs to stop. It makes a huge difference.

[SeattleGriz]

The extent to which misinformation on the effect of vaccination has taken hold is breathtaking. It really is. If you are vaccinated, you are less likely to become infected to start with. That includes the Omicron variant. The effect is not as good as we would like. But it is there.

Also, should you become infected, vaccinated people are less likely to pass the disease on than unvaccinated people are. That is true with respect to the Omicron variant as well.

This "vaccination makes no difference" thing needs to stop. It makes a huge difference.

Who gives a shit if you are less likely? It may be slowing it down, but it's not stopping it enough. That was the point. Can't vaccinate your way out of a pandemic with a leaky vaccine.

Victory lap!

[kalm]

Nothing wrong with claiming the vaccines prevented a lot of hospitalizations and deaths. They really only needed to get us to a weak version of COVID. We're pretty close now. Let's just open up the therapeutics for treatment. Unshackle the medical community.

I agree with this post.

[AZGrizFan]

The extent to which misinformation on the effect of vaccination has taken hold is breathtaking. It really is. If you are vaccinated, you are less likely to become infected to start with. That includes the Omicron variant. The effect is not as good as we would like. But it is there.

Also, should you become infected, vaccinated people are less likely to pass the disease on than unvaccinated people are. That is true with respect to the Omicron variant as well.

This "vaccination makes no difference" thing needs to stop. It makes a huge difference.

Just one more booster shot, John.

[BDKJMU]

The extent to which misinformation on the effect of vaccination has taken hold is breathtaking. It really is. If you are vaccinated, you are less likely to become infected to start with. That includes the Omicron variant. The effect is not as good as we would like. But it is there.

Also, should you become infected, vaccinated people are less likely to pass the disease on than unvaccinated people are. That is true with respect to the Omicron variant as well.

This "vaccination makes no difference" thing needs to stop. It makes a huge difference.

Yeah, that’s why the pro sports leagues which are 95%-99% vaxed are having to postpone games right and left due to players comig down with the virus right and left.

[SDHornet]

Maybe they should be asked kindly?

I don't think anything will work. At this point, leave it be, and move on. This is the equivalent of giving the middle finger to people who already are inclined not to listen to you, like I said, the gasoline on the fire approach. It's been a year for most people - if they wanted to be vaccinated they would be already.

[SDHornet]

Meh. I've heard of lots of folks who were double vaxed and boosted and now have Covid pretty severely. Super spreader event in NYC a week or so ago. 89Henette says about half of her HS graduating (exaggerating a little) attended and have Covid (via social media) Nearly all were vaxed.

Same. Outside of a few folks that had COVID last year, everybody that I know who currently has picked it up ( 6 people) has been vaccinated and about half have had the booster.

Blaming just the un-vaccinated is intellectually dishonest. Which is par for the course for politicians, Faci, and those that keep bringing it up.

But but but it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated or something.

[SDHornet]

I was hopeful. Different than believed. Your Monday morning QBing aside.

it's not Monday morning QB'ing when he's been saying the same thing since day 1.

SG has been on top of this from the jump.

[kalm]

Same. Outside of a few folks that had COVID last year, everybody that I know who currently has picked it up ( 6 people) has been vaccinated and about half have had the booster.

Blaming just the un-vaccinated is intellectually dishonest. Which is par for the course for politicians, Faci, and those that keep bringing it up.

But but but it's a pandemic of the unvaccinated or something.

[89Hen]

[GannonFan]

The extent to which misinformation on the effect of vaccination has taken hold is breathtaking. It really is. If you are vaccinated, you are less likely to become infected to start with. That includes the Omicron variant. The effect is not as good as we would like. But it is there.

Also, should you become infected, vaccinated people are less likely to pass the disease on than unvaccinated people are. That is true with respect to the Omicron variant as well.

This "vaccination makes no difference" thing needs to stop. It makes a huge difference.

I don't see anywhere where there is data saying that being vaccinated or not "makes a huge difference" when it comes to becoming infected or spreading it. It absolutely makes a huge difference when it comes to severity, of that there is no doubt, but the evidence that's showing up everyday now that omicron has moved in makes it look extremely unlikely that there's a huge difference in vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of infection and spreading.

I normally don't agree wit BDK on stuff like this, but how do relatively closed populations with extremely high vaccination rates (i.e. pro sports teams, college campuses, etc) with vaccination rates around 98% or more, end up with significant outbreaks of positive COVID tests? What may have been true for delta while people were fresh from being vaccinated is turning out not to be true of omicron with people several months on since getting their vaccination. Again, there's evidence galore that severity is less with vaccination (and that alone should drive people to be vaccinated and get a booster shot, as many times as needed), but there's also plenty of evidence that the vaccinations wane, and rather quickly (months) and that spreading and infection rates are significantly increased right now, vaccinated or not.

[kalm]

Keep politicizing it. I’m sure it will help.

[89Hen]

Keep politicizing it. I’m sure it will help.

Somebody woke up cranky.

[AZGrizFan]

Keep politicizing it. I’m sure it will help.