Coronavirus COVID-19

[CID1990]

Told ya

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/12 ... nt-n436964

That CNN would even allow this person on tells you all you need to know


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[GannonFan]

Told ya

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/12 ... nt-n436964

That CNN would even allow this person on tells you all you need to know


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Heck, the folks in Canada are saying that anything other than N95 masks are basically virtue signaling.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brun ... -1.6290760

Those cloth and blue surgical masks so many of us have been wearing? They're unlikely to cut it against Omicron, says an expert.

We should all be upping our mask game immediately, warns epidemiology professor Dr. David Fisman of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health.

"To be honest, we should have been doing this for a while now," Fisman said in an interview with Shift NB, noting "we've known for over a year" that COVID-19 spreads through aerosol.

[89Hen]

Fucking Biden. More deaths under him. More cases than ever. All of you who voted for him have blood on your hands.

Did I do that right Jon?

[89Hen]

It only took him two months, and a staggering projected loss-of-life, to finally admit this isn't "like the flu."

A lot of people will now die because the Fed wasn't taking it seriously in January, despite all the internal and external warnings.

This will go down as one of the biggest presidential failures in American history. This is Trump's legacy.

[SeattleGriz]

Fucking Biden. More deaths under him. More cases than ever. All of you who voted for him have blood on your hands.

Did I do that right Jon?

You forgot to say that you are literally shaking right now.

[JohnStOnge]

Fucking Biden. More deaths under him. More cases than ever. All of you who voted for him have blood on your hands.

Did I do that right Jon?

Just as a matter of accuracy, we have not yet reached the point where there have been more COVID-19 associated deaths while Biden has been President than there were when Trump was President. It's pretty much certain that we will reach that point. But we're not there yet.

According to Worldometers, there were 434,020 COVID-19 associated deaths in the United States through January 20, 2021. The current number is 832,939. So there have been 832,939 - 434,020 = 398,919 so far on days when Biden has been President.

It's also the case that Biden took over right at the peak of the deaths frequencies. A lot of deaths occurred before any reasonable person would think anything he did could have had an effect. There were 86,016 deaths during Biden's first 30 days in office. That's more than 10% of the US deaths during the entire pandemic so far.

[JohnStOnge]

Told ya

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/12 ... nt-n436964

That CNN would even allow this person on tells you all you need to know


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Heck, the folks in Canada are saying that anything other than N95 masks are basically virtue signaling.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brun ... -1.6290760

Those cloth and blue surgical masks so many of us have been wearing? They're unlikely to cut it against Omicron, says an expert.

We should all be upping our mask game immediately, warns epidemiology professor Dr. David Fisman of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health.

"To be honest, we should have been doing this for a while now," Fisman said in an interview with Shift NB, noting "we've known for over a year" that COVID-19 spreads through aerosol.

I think it continues to be the case that community mask use, even if it is just cloth masks, reduces transmission. See https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -cov2.html. You will see as you go through that they have numerous references with, usually, multiple references to support each thing they say. A caveat is that there is no mention of omicron. But I predict that, once they have the data, they will say that community mask use reduces the transmission of omicron as well.

Note that they do consider the fact that the virus is transmitted via aerosols.

Really, this is one of those things where "common sense" ought to tell you that if you could be successful in getting EVERYBODY to wear masks transmission of ANY respiratory virus would be reduced. It's hard to document statistically because, in order to do that, you would have to be able to get situations in which everybody did wear masks. But just think about it.

You go into a medical waiting room and there are 10 other people there. They all have a respiratory viral disease. In one scenario nobody has a mask so that when they exhale their breath is totally unimpeded. In the other scenario they are blocking their exhalations with masks. Some of their breath will escape around the edges of the masks but it will not be projected outward unimpeded.

I honestly don't understand how you could possibly NOT think that your risk is somewhat reduced by having infected people wear masks.

[JohnStOnge]

Told ya

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/12 ... nt-n436964

That CNN would even allow this person on tells you all you need to know


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I think she was trying to make a certain point. But I would like to ask her: If you compare two scenarios, one in which everybody wears a cloth mask and the other in which nobody wears any mask at all, which do you think presents the greater risk?

I am pretty confident that she would say the second scenario presents the greater risk. But we can't know because there's no way I'll ever be in position to ask her.

[kalm]

Heck, the folks in Canada are saying that anything other than N95 masks are basically virtue signaling.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brun ... -1.6290760

I think it continues to be the case that community mask use, even if it is just cloth masks, reduces transmission. See https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... -cov2.html. You will see as you go through that they have numerous references with, usually, multiple references to support each thing they say. A caveat is that there is no mention of omicron. But I predict that, once they have the data, they will say that community mask use reduces the transmission of omicron as well.

Note that they do consider the fact that the virus is transmitted via aerosols.

Really, this is one of those things where "common sense" ought to tell you that if you could be successful in getting EVERYBODY to wear masks transmission of ANY respiratory virus would be reduced. It's hard to document statistically because, in order to do that, you would have to be able to get situations in which everybody did wear masks. But just think about it.

You go into a medical waiting room and there are 10 other people there. They all have a respiratory viral disease. In one scenario nobody has a mask so that when they exhale their breath is totally unimpeded. In the other scenario they are blocking their exhalations with masks. Some of their breath will escape around the edges of the masks but it will not be projected outward unimpeded.

I honestly don't understand how you could possibly NOT think that your risk is somewhat reduced by having infected people wear masks.

Lost faith in institutions and contradictory messaging from leadership.

[CID1990]

Told ya

https://hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/12 ... nt-n436964

That CNN would even allow this person on tells you all you need to know


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I think she was trying to make a certain point. But I would like to ask her: If you compare two scenarios, one in which everybody wears a cloth mask and the other in which nobody wears any mask at all, which do you think presents the greater risk?

I am pretty confident that she would say the second scenario presents the greater risk. But we can't know because there's no way I'll ever be in position to ask her.

I said months ago that cloth masks are performance theater.

You’re indoctrinated so you don’t believe it and that’s OK

But in about 3-4 weeks the narrative is going to change and you’ll have to alter your arguments.


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[JohnStOnge]

I think she was trying to make a certain point. But I would like to ask her: If you compare two scenarios, one in which everybody wears a cloth mask and the other in which nobody wears any mask at all, which do you think presents the greater risk?

I am pretty confident that she would say the second scenario presents the greater risk. But we can't know because there's no way I'll ever be in position to ask her.

I said months ago that cloth masks are performance theater.

You’re indoctrinated so you don’t believe it and that’s OK

But in about 3-4 weeks the narrative is going to change and you’ll have to alter your arguments.


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There may be some performance theater involved but you would obviously reduce risk is you could get everybody in a community to wear even cloth masks. There have been numerous studies suggesting that even cloth masks have some effect.

I started off not thinking mask-wearing recommendations were good for the reason CDC articulated at the time. The CDC thought that, whatever protection a mask afforded the wearer, it was likely to be overcome by possible changes in behavior associated with a false sense of security.

But then it became clear that people with asymptomatic infections could transmit the disease. It was always the case that CDC recommended mask wearing by infected people who could transmit the disease. The resulting change in position made perfect sense.

It's not a matter of being indoctrinated. It's pretty obvious that if you've got a bunch of infected people the risk of them transmitting the virus is going to be reduced to some extent by doing something to impede what they exhale.

[BDKJMU]

I said months ago that cloth masks are performance theater.

You’re indoctrinated so you don’t believe it and that’s OK

But in about 3-4 weeks the narrative is going to change and you’ll have to alter your arguments.


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There may be some performance theater involved but you would obviously reduce risk is you could get everybody in a community to wear even cloth masks. There have been numerous studies suggesting that even cloth masks have some effect.

I started off not thinking mask-wearing recommendations were good for the reason CDC articulated at the time. The CDC thought that, whatever protection a mask afforded the wearer, it was likely to be overcome by possible changes in behavior associated with a false sense of security.

But then it became clear that people with asymptomatic infections could transmit the disease. It was always the case that CDC recommended mask wearing by infected people who could transmit the disease. The resulting change in position made perfect sense.

It's not a matter of being indoctrinated. It's pretty obvious that if you've got a bunch of infected people the risk of them transmitting the virus is going to be reduced to some extent by doing something to impede what they exhale.

Bullshit.

[CID1990]

I said months ago that cloth masks are performance theater.

You’re indoctrinated so you don’t believe it and that’s OK

But in about 3-4 weeks the narrative is going to change and you’ll have to alter your arguments.


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There may be some performance theater involved but you would obviously reduce risk is you could get everybody in a community to wear even cloth masks. There have been numerous studies suggesting that even cloth masks have some effect.

I started off not thinking mask-wearing recommendations were good for the reason CDC articulated at the time. The CDC thought that, whatever protection a mask afforded the wearer, it was likely to be overcome by possible changes in behavior associated with a false sense of security.

But then it became clear that people with asymptomatic infections could transmit the disease. It was always the case that CDC recommended mask wearing by infected people who could transmit the disease. The resulting change in position made perfect sense.

It's not a matter of being indoctrinated. It's pretty obvious that if you've got a bunch of infected people the risk of them transmitting the virus is going to be reduced to some extent by doing something to impede what they exhale.

No, in a mostly vaccinated society they are not effective in any meaningful sense

They are pure theater


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[Gil Dobie]

There may be some performance theater involved but you would obviously reduce risk is you could get everybody in a community to wear even cloth masks. There have been numerous studies suggesting that even cloth masks have some effect.

I started off not thinking mask-wearing recommendations were good for the reason CDC articulated at the time. The CDC thought that, whatever protection a mask afforded the wearer, it was likely to be overcome by possible changes in behavior associated with a false sense of security.

But then it became clear that people with asymptomatic infections could transmit the disease. It was always the case that CDC recommended mask wearing by infected people who could transmit the disease. The resulting change in position made perfect sense.

It's not a matter of being indoctrinated. It's pretty obvious that if you've got a bunch of infected people the risk of them transmitting the virus is going to be reduced to some extent by doing something to impede what they exhale.

No, in a mostly vaccinated society they are not effective in any meaningful sense

They are pure theater


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As much as I respect your opinion, I will go with what the Mayo Clinic says on medical advice.

[CID1990]

No, in a mostly vaccinated society they are not effective in any meaningful sense

They are pure theater


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As much as I respect your opinion, I will go with what the Mayo Clinic says on medical advice.

Hey, whatever works for you.

The Mayo Clinic could be right - but if their guidance is correct, then they are swimming upstream against a plethora of equally legitimate outlets and organizations that are saying cloth masks are largely ineffective. And that is assuming a non-vaccinated environment.

Add in a vaccinated population and masks become superfluous. If you are vaccinated and you are wearing a mask around other vaccinated people, all you are doing is hiding your bad dental work from each other. Or maybe trying out for the 2018 Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps.


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[kalm]

As much as I respect your opinion, I will go with what the Mayo Clinic says on medical advice.

Hey, whatever works for you.

The Mayo Clinic could be right - but if their guidance is correct, then they are swimming upstream against a plethora of equally legitimate outlets and organizations that are saying cloth masks are largely ineffective. And that is assuming a non-vaccinated environment.

Add in a vaccinated population and masks become superfluous. If you are vaccinated and you are wearing a mask around other vaccinated people, all you are doing is hiding your bad dental work from each other. Or maybe trying out for the 2018 Santa Clara Vanguard Drum and Bugle Corps.


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Unless you have a high enough amount of breakthrough cases in which case (as ‘88 suggests) a false sense of security and relaxed mitigating practices is created.

[kalm]

Omicron could be going away quickly. I also read a theory somewhere which suggests an omicron infection coupled with vaccinations may result in long term immunity.

It will probably be a few rough weeks as two of the three monoclonal therapies are ineffective against it but they’re also fast tracking the Pfizer pill for at-risk populations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... 5O8VocfsUU

[SeattleGriz]

I said months ago that cloth masks are performance theater.

You’re indoctrinated so you don’t believe it and that’s OK

But in about 3-4 weeks the narrative is going to change and you’ll have to alter your arguments.


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There may be some performance theater involved but you would obviously reduce risk is you could get everybody in a community to wear even cloth masks. There have been numerous studies suggesting that even cloth masks have some effect.

I started off not thinking mask-wearing recommendations were good for the reason CDC articulated at the time. The CDC thought that, whatever protection a mask afforded the wearer, it was likely to be overcome by possible changes in behavior associated with a false sense of security.

But then it became clear that people with asymptomatic infections could transmit the disease. It was always the case that CDC recommended mask wearing by infected people who could transmit the disease. The resulting change in position made perfect sense.

It's not a matter of being indoctrinated. It's pretty obvious that if you've got a bunch of infected people the risk of them transmitting the virus is going to be reduced to some extent by doing something to impede what they exhale.

Can you provide us with any decent studies on asymptomatic transmission. The closest I have been able to find was when the WHO contact traced everyone and came up with around 2% of asymptomatics spread. About what you would expect if you followed past history.

I still think the majority of the narrative is due to false positive PCR tests and thus no symptoms.

[SeattleGriz]

After you get the vaccine, it takes about 14 days for your immune system to "recalibrate", meaning you are actually more susceptible to catching COVID during that 14 day window.

The whole Michigan football team just got their boosters in the hopes of not losing any players for their bowl playoff game.

Be interesting to see how that works out for them with Omicron out there.

[89Hen]

Fucking Biden. More deaths under him. More cases than ever. All of you who voted for him have blood on your hands.

Did I do that right Jon?

Just as a matter of accuracy, we have not yet reached the point where there have been more COVID-19 associated deaths while Biden has been President than there were when Trump was President. It's pretty much certain that we will reach that point. But we're not there yet.

According to Worldometers, there were 434,020 COVID-19 associated deaths in the United States through January 20, 2021. The current number is 832,939. So there have been 832,939 - 434,020 = 398,919 so far on days when Biden has been President.

It's also the case that Biden took over right at the peak of the deaths frequencies. A lot of deaths occurred before any reasonable person would think anything he did could have had an effect. There were 86,016 deaths during Biden's first 30 days in office. That's more than 10% of the US deaths during the entire pandemic so far.

2020 = 385,000 deaths
2021 = 406,000 deaths

January 20, 2021 - 8,821,379 cases
December 22, 2021 - 10,769,803 cases

[kalm]

Just as a matter of accuracy, we have not yet reached the point where there have been more COVID-19 associated deaths while Biden has been President than there were when Trump was President. It's pretty much certain that we will reach that point. But we're not there yet.

According to Worldometers, there were 434,020 COVID-19 associated deaths in the United States through January 20, 2021. The current number is 832,939. So there have been 832,939 - 434,020 = 398,919 so far on days when Biden has been President.

It's also the case that Biden took over right at the peak of the deaths frequencies. A lot of deaths occurred before any reasonable person would think anything he did could have had an effect. There were 86,016 deaths during Biden's first 30 days in office. That's more than 10% of the US deaths during the entire pandemic so far.

2020 = 385,000 deaths
2021 = 406,000 deaths

January 20, 2021 - 8,821,379 cases
December 22, 2021 - 10,769,803 cases

Now subtract 86,000 deaths from Biden’s numbers and around 3 million cases.

[89Hen]

Now subtract 86,000 deaths from Biden’s numbers and around 3 million cases.

3,000,000 current cases are of folks who contracted it a year ago?

[kalm]

Now subtract 86,000 deaths from Biden’s numbers and around 3 million cases.

3,000,000 current cases are of folks who contracted it a year ago?

My bad. Maths are hard.

[Col Hogan]

[89Hen]

3,000,000 current cases are of folks who contracted it a year ago?

My bad. Maths are hard.

And it really doesn't matter if Biden's numbers are slightly below Trump's... how many months did we have Covid without a vaccine under Trump? We've had vaccines during the entirety of Biden's admin. We are doing FAR worse considering that one giant fact.