The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

[CID1990]

I have an inclination to wish we would have said we are not going to send any ground forces but we are going to provide air support to the Ukraine. Basically tell Putin, "Ok, you can invade. But you are not going to control the air space if you do. And we are going to tear up your ground forces pretty bad after we establish air superiority." In my wish the US would have started moving aircraft and support infrastructure to Ukraine as well as positioning aircraft carriers quite some time ago. Or, if getting the infrastructure in Ukraine is not possible, I'd wish we'd operate out of other parts of Europe. I am inclined in that way because I think that this is one of those things that needs to be stopped early on if it's going to be stopped without things getting way worse.

But I understand that I don't know. I am inclined to think that we are way superior to Russia in terms of air power. I don't believe they would have any chance against us in air battle. I could be wrong about that.

Also, there is that nuclear weapons thing. Any time this sort of thing starts happening there is that "End of the World as We Know It" thing in the background.

Finally, I know very well that the majority of the US population would not support it.

Wronge

About air power


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[houndawg]

We can't do shit about whats going down. All that money and we can't do shit.

[houndawg]

At least Jabba isn't here to be dog-walked around the Kremlin on the six o'clock news while he announces that he doesn't believe his intelligence services.

[houndawg]

They were invited! Punch and pie was served!


130k troops along the border.....you don't do that unless you're either invading. I wouldn't even say intimidating b/c the logistics for 130k people requires tremendous support and coordination.

And now Boris Johnson is planning some tour of Europe to avoid war...? Uh....doesn't this sounds like Munich 1938??


Oh..and have y'all seen the pictures of Ukrainian civilians undergoing weapons training!?

Maybe true, but that doesn’t stick out as a ginormous # to me, though. Maybe around half an Army. Maybe only 15k front line/combat arms (going by the assumption that in a 1st world army around 90% of personell are support/10% front line/combat arms.

It doesn't have to be a ginormous number, just big enough annihilate Ukraine's military.

[SeattleGriz]

At least Jabba isn't here to be dog-walked around the Kremlin on the six o'clock news while he announces that he doesn't believe his intelligence services.

Is that why he waited for Joey Softserve's Presidency? That's an interesting angle.

[houndawg]

Question: Did you know we had a “MOAB” until we used one?

I guarantee you we are not as far behind as the general public might think (if we’re behind at all).

We are.

Way behind

Edit: also way behind in quantum. And 5th gen fighter tech (big surprises coming there)


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You'd think that given the amount of money that the Pentagon can't or, hopefully, won't, account for that we'd have the high ground covered pretty well but most likely it wound up offshore in private accounts. Why do we keep pissing away more money on our military than the 10 next largest militaries combined spend but keep falling further behind?

[SDHornet]

We can't do shit about whats going down. All that money they gave Hunter and we can't do shit.

FIFA

[SDHornet]

At least Jabba isn't here to be dog-walked around the Kremlin on the six o'clock news while he announces that he doesn't believe his intelligence services.

Same intelligence agencies that said Russia was going to invade last week?

[SDHornet]

[houndawg]

We can't do shit about whats going down. All that money they gave Hunter and we can't do shit.

FIFA

nice tap out

[SDHornet]

At least Jabba isn't here to be dog-walked around the Kremlin on the six o'clock news while he announces that he doesn't believe his intelligence services.

Is that why he waited for Joey Softserve's Presidency? That's an interesting angle.

[houndawg]

At least Jabba isn't here to be dog-walked around the Kremlin on the six o'clock news while he announces that he doesn't believe his intelligence services.

Same intelligence agencies that said Russia was going to invade last week?

Obviously they're going to say that whether they believe it or not. Duh

So you think its a bluff and Putin won't invade?

[houndawg]

So where's the invasion? Intelligence said it was going to happen a week ago. Aren't we on the edge of thermonuclear war? I sure hope Biden will talk Putin off the ledge. Then we can nominate him for a Nobel Piece prize and see what a master tradesman he really is...just in time for the midterms!!

It could be a mushroom cloud in 45 minutes.....bet you bit on that one if you were out of diapers

[houndawg]

I realize the first rule of fight club is not to discuss fight club, but when the Ukrainian President is mocking Biden to come to Ukraine and Lavrov says this:

Wouldn't you love to know what he told trump in the Oval Office with no interpreter present?

[SDHornet]

Same intelligence agencies that said Russia was going to invade last week?

Obviously they're going to say that whether they believe it or not. Duh

So you think its a bluff and Putin won't invade?

He doesn't need to. The West will allow him to take the "Russian" parts of Ukraine. If he takes "too much" then it'll go hot.

And no one outside of the warmongering elites and MIC will give a fuck.

[Skjellyfetti]

It's been hot in the "Russian" parts of Ukraine for 8 years now

[SeattleGriz]

It's been hot in the "Russian" parts of Ukraine for 8 years now

Huh. The last time Biden was in the administration.

[Skjellyfetti]

Yeah, the war was started over control of Hunter's laptop iirc

[Ibanez]

A retired USMC colonel on GMA this morning flat out said that Putin is behaving like a Soviet general secretary, something I've maintained for quite some time....

No shit. Putin is the 2nd President since the fall of the USSR. He was KGB and FSB and since he took power in 2004 has overseen an Authoritative shift in the country. He was counter-intelligence. Some conspiracy theorist would suggest he was put in place to create a 2nd USSR of sorts. I'm sure some booger-eater in his mom's basement is making a youtube video about this.

[Ibanez]

Legacy media is throwing everything and the kitchen sink to try and sell this Russia war.

LGBTI.

What is ‘I’?

There's an "I" now?! Perhaps they're just incorrigible.

[Ibanez]

Putin recognizes Ukrainian separatist movement and breaks the Minsk agreement.

This may well be the end of the invasion for now. Russian separatists can now just “invite” the Russian military into the Donbas region.


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Depends on who you are. If you're Russia - yes. They were invited in by comrades. If you're the Ukraine or NATO - it's an invasion.

[Ibanez]

I have an inclination to wish we would have said we are not going to send any ground forces but we are going to provide air support to the Ukraine. Basically tell Putin, "Ok, you can invade. But you are not going to control the air space if you do. And we are going to tear up your ground forces pretty bad after we establish air superiority." In my wish the US would have started moving aircraft and support infrastructure to Ukraine as well as positioning aircraft carriers quite some time ago. Or, if getting the infrastructure in Ukraine is not possible, I'd wish we'd operate out of other parts of Europe. I am inclined in that way because I think that this is one of those things that needs to be stopped early on if it's going to be stopped without things getting way worse.

But I understand that I don't know. I am inclined to think that we are way superior to Russia in terms of air power. I don't believe they would have any chance against us in air battle. I could be wrong about that.

Also, there is that nuclear weapons thing. Any time this sort of thing starts happening there is that "End of the World as We Know It" thing in the background.

Finally, I know very well that the majority of the US population would not support it.

For a guy that harps on intelligence - that is one of the dumbest things you've ever said. You don't tell an adversary it's ok to invade. What sort of message does that send about your strength? What does that say to the Ukrainians? Other countries that Russia might want to bring back into the fold? If ANY country has the right to tell the Russians they can invade, it's the Ukrainians and only them. I didn't read the rest of your post b/c your second sentence and its proposition is asinine.


Haven't we already learned our "If You Give A Mouse A Cookie" lesson from the Nazis and other dictators??

If you give a Putin a break-off region, he's going to want the Ukraine.
If you give a Putin the Ukraine, he's going to want another former Soviet satellite country.

[houndawg]

Obviously they're going to say that whether they believe it or not. Duh

So you think its a bluff and Putin won't invade?

He doesn't need to. The West will allow him to take the "Russian" parts of Ukraine. If he takes "too much" then it'll go hot.

And no one outside of the warmongering elites and MIC will give a fuck.

So your answer is "No"?

[Ivytalk]

Legacy media is throwing everything and the kitchen sink to try and sell this Russia war.

LGBTI.

What is ‘I’?

I thought the LGBTI was a VW sports car.

While we’re feverishly speculating, which “Stanistan” will be the first to return to Mother Russia? Like the Snoats brothers returning to prison at the end of Raising Arizona.