The Ukraine Crisis

[UNI88]

For all those billions of dollars and mountains of hardware sent their way, they sure as fuck better get some offensives going.

Russia has had to resort to buying back ammo they sold to North Korea, at a steep mark up.

They don't have the manufacturing base to support their third-world military.

That's what socialism does to a country.

[houndawg]

Russia has had to resort to buying back ammo they sold to North Korea, at a steep mark up.

They don't have the manufacturing base to support their third-world military.

That's what socialism does to a country.

Socialism doesn't do that to a country. People do that to a country..

[UNI88]

That's what socialism does to a country.

Socialism doesn't do that to a country. People in a socialist country do that to a country..

Maybe you're right.

[houndawg]

Socialism doesn't do that to a country. People in a socialist country do that to a country..

Maybe you're right.

Thats usually the case.

[SeattleGriz]

Houwndie. People can't do your work for you. Just type in OSINT into Google and search from there, but realize this is absolute truth because when it's true, no links are needed.

Sorry - I was just recalling your reaction when CID tried to steer you toward OSINT right after the Russians were executing civilians. I don't recall you actually using the word "hoax" but you weren't buying no OSINT back then. I think thats where you and SD earned your "reek2 and reek3" sobriquet.

Glad you picked up on that. I was fine with OSINT sites, but quickly found out many were still crap. Decent at pointing out obvious fakes, but not so good at the rest.

[houndawg]

Sorry - I was just recalling your reaction when CID tried to steer you toward OSINT right after the Russians were executing civilians. I don't recall you actually using the word "hoax" but you weren't buying no OSINT back then. I think thats where you and SD earned your "reek2 and reek3" sobriquet.

Glad you picked up on that. I was fine with OSINT sites, but quickly found out many were still crap. Decent at pointing out obvious fakes, but not so good at the rest.

The two, I think it was, that CID referred to got it right.

[SeattleGriz]

Glad you picked up on that. I was fine with OSINT sites, but quickly found out many were still crap. Decent at pointing out obvious fakes, but not so good at the rest.

The two, I think it was, that CID referred to got it right.

Your fat mom he got it right!

[houndawg]

The two, I think it was, that CID referred to got it right.

Your fat mom he got it right!

There you go again - I'm talking about the sources, you're deflecting to CID.

My mom isn't as fat as your mom.

Your momma so fat she needs two trips to haul ass.

[kalm]

Russia might be in trouble. The gravity of the capturing of Izium is huge. Izium is/was the Headquarters for the entire Donbas invasion forces. It’s significant. Kherson apparently gave options to Ukraine depending on RUS movements. They chose Kharkiv and regaining territory fast.

“How did you go bankrupt?”

Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises.

As with bankruptcy so with military defeat. What appears to be a long, painful grind can quickly turn into a rout. A supposedly resilient and well-equipped army can break and look for means of escape. This is not unusual in war. We saw it happen with the Afghan Army in the summer of 2021.

For the past few days we have been witnessing a remarkable Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv. We have the spectacle of a bedraggled army in retreat - remnants of a smashed-up convoy, abandoned vehicles, positions left in a hurry, with scattered kit and uneaten food, miserable prisoners, and local people cheering on the Ukrainian forces as they drive through their villages. The speed of advance has been impressive, as tens of square kilometres turn into hundreds and then thousands, and from a handful of villages and towns liberated to dozens. Even as I have been writing this post paragraphs keep on getting overtaken by events.

It would of course be premature to pronounce a complete Ukrainian victory in the war because of one successful and unexpected breakthrough. But what has happened over the past few days is of historic importance. This offensive has overturned much of what was confidently assumed about the course of the war. It serves as a reminder that just because the front lines appear static it does not mean that they will stay that way, and that morale and motivation drain away from armies facing defeat, especially when the troops are uncertain about the cause for which they are fighting and have lost confidence in their officers. Who wants to be a martyr when the war is already lost?

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[SeattleGriz]

Your fat mom he got it right!

There you go again - I'm talking about the sources, you're deflecting to CID.

My mom isn't as fat as your mom.

Your momma so fat she needs two trips to haul ass.

No, they didn't. Let's recap.

In Bucha, one of the local priests is on record saying it was his church that dug the mass grave because the morgue was full.

In addition, the mayor declared the city free of Russian forces, but never mentions a massacre. THEN the local police run a story of how the Russians have left, and they've cleared the city, but yet NO massacre story.

Finally, 4 or 5 days after the Russians have left, we see pictures of dead bodies with very white bandanas. Staged. They could have at least put some dirt on those bandanas.

Bellingcat has been exposed as simply a site that launders talking points. Look at who funds them.

[Silenoz]

Russia might be in trouble. The gravity of the capturing of Izium is huge. Izium is/was the Headquarters for the entire Donbas invasion forces. It’s significant. Kherson apparently gave options to Ukraine depending on RUS movements. They chose Kharkiv and regaining territory fast.

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[SeattleGriz]

Russia might be in trouble. The gravity of the capturing of Izium is huge. Izium is/was the Headquarters for the entire Donbas invasion forces. It’s significant. Kherson apparently gave options to Ukraine depending on RUS movements. They chose Kharkiv and regaining territory fast.

“How did you go bankrupt?”

Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

― Ernest Hemingway, The Sun Also Rises.

As with bankruptcy so with military defeat. What appears to be a long, painful grind can quickly turn into a rout. A supposedly resilient and well-equipped army can break and look for means of escape. This is not unusual in war. We saw it happen with the Afghan Army in the summer of 2021.

For the past few days we have been witnessing a remarkable Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv. We have the spectacle of a bedraggled army in retreat - remnants of a smashed-up convoy, abandoned vehicles, positions left in a hurry, with scattered kit and uneaten food, miserable prisoners, and local people cheering on the Ukrainian forces as they drive through their villages. The speed of advance has been impressive, as tens of square kilometres turn into hundreds and then thousands, and from a handful of villages and towns liberated to dozens. Even as I have been writing this post paragraphs keep on getting overtaken by events.

It would of course be premature to pronounce a complete Ukrainian victory in the war because of one successful and unexpected breakthrough. But what has happened over the past few days is of historic importance. This offensive has overturned much of what was confidently assumed about the course of the war. It serves as a reminder that just because the front lines appear static it does not mean that they will stay that way, and that morale and motivation drain away from armies facing defeat, especially when the troops are uncertain about the cause for which they are fighting and have lost confidence in their officers. Who wants to be a martyr when the war is already lost?

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What Russian forces are currently facing this offensive? I'm reading it is a mixture of Donbas militia and Russian national guard.

[kalm]

Russia might be in trouble. The gravity of the capturing of Izium is huge. Izium is/was the Headquarters for the entire Donbas invasion forces. It’s significant. Kherson apparently gave options to Ukraine depending on RUS movements. They chose Kharkiv and regaining territory fast.





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What Russian forces are currently facing this offensive? I'm reading it is a mixture of Donbas militia and Russian national guard.

Does it matter? They’re losing ground and quick.

[SeattleGriz]

What Russian forces are currently facing this offensive? I'm reading it is a mixture of Donbas militia and Russian national guard.

Does it matter? They’re losing ground and quick.

Yes it matters. Ukraine bum rushed the JV squad, which was smart, but now what happens? Do you see the Ukrainians holding this territory?

[Winterborn]

Another $2 billion to Ukraine this past week.

I think we are up to $40 Billion so far.

[kalm]

Another $2 billion to Ukraine this past week.

I think we are up to $40 Billion so far.

We are fighting a proxy war…against a former superpower. Decades of preparing a soviet counter strategy. Amazing.

[kalm]

Does it matter? They’re losing ground and quick.

Yes it matters. Ukraine bum rushed the JV squad, which was smart, but now what happens? Do you see the Ukrainians holding this territory?

When will Russia send in the real troops? And then more JV squad to control the areas they’ve lost and will obviously regain…again.

Putin remains master strategist.

[houndawg]

Russia might be in trouble. The gravity of the capturing of Izium is huge. Izium is/was the Headquarters for the entire Donbas invasion forces. It’s significant. Kherson apparently gave options to Ukraine depending on RUS movements. They chose Kharkiv and regaining territory fast.





https://samf.substack.com/p/gradually-t ... dium=email

What Russian forces are currently facing this offensive? I'm reading it is a mixture of Donbas militia and Russian national guard.

That should be telling you something too.

[Winterborn]

Another $2 billion to Ukraine this past week.

I think we are up to $40 Billion so far.

We are fighting a proxy war…against a former superpower. Decades of preparing a soviet counter strategy. Amazing.

Now where have I heard that comment before (proxy war)......

Was it Iran, or was it Iraq, or maybe Afgan? Perhaps Somali or maybe Yeman. No it was Pakistan I am sure of it. On second thought maybe it was Somali phase 2 or Uganda. No, I know, it was Syria. Positive it was Syria. So hard to keep it all straight these days.


All started with good intent and then quickly went somewhere else at the cost of billions.

[kalm]

We are fighting a proxy war…against a former superpower. Decades of preparing a soviet counter strategy. Amazing.

Now where have I heard that comment before (proxy war)......

Was it Iran, or was it Iraq, or maybe Afgan? Perhaps Somali or maybe Yeman. No it was Pakistan I am sure of it. On second thought maybe it was Somali phase 2 or Uganda. No, I know, it was Syria. Positive it was Syria. So hard to keep it all straight these days.


All started with good intent and then quickly went somewhere else at the cost of billions.

Im with you. It’s a little bit different this time for many reasons tho.

[Winterborn]

Now where have I heard that comment before (proxy war)......

Was it Iran, or was it Iraq, or maybe Afgan? Perhaps Somali or maybe Yeman. No it was Pakistan I am sure of it. On second thought maybe it was Somali phase 2 or Uganda. No, I know, it was Syria. Positive it was Syria. So hard to keep it all straight these days.


All started with good intent and then quickly went somewhere else at the cost of billions.

Im with you. It’s a little bit different this time for many reasons tho.

It is, till it isn't.

Just being skeptical of the amount and where the money is going to. Not the conflict itself.

I always like to see receipts.

[SeattleGriz]

Im with you. It’s a little bit different this time for many reasons tho.

It is, till it isn't.

Just being skeptical of the amount and where the money is going to. Not the conflict itself.

I always like to see receipts.

Putin is the new unvaxxed. Start illogically hating that fucker. To the point of detriment.

[SeattleGriz]

Yes it matters. Ukraine bum rushed the JV squad, which was smart, but now what happens? Do you see the Ukrainians holding this territory?

When will Russia send in the real troops? And then more JV squad to control the areas they’ve lost and will obviously regain…again.

Putin remains master strategist.

You tell me. You seem to have ultimate insider info to Putin's plan.

Putin is doing exactly what he said. Demilitarize and denazify. Ukraine is losing equipment and fighting age men by the droves.

You're the one who is cool with others dying for your cause.

[UNI88]

It is, till it isn't.

Just being skeptical of the amount and where the money is going to. Not the conflict itself.

I always like to see receipts.

Putin is the new unvaxxed. Start illogically hating that fucker. To the point of detriment.

If my choice is that or indiscriminately fellating Putin then I'll take hating.


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[SeattleGriz]

Putin is the new unvaxxed. Start illogically hating that fucker. To the point of detriment.

If my choice is that or indiscriminately fellating Putin then I'll take hating.


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Nice either or argument of silly proportions. Why are you fine with sending Ukrainians to their death?