FYPSDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:09 pmThe mental gymnastics of all this partisanship is quite entertaining. I've heard of these two, I don't watch Fox News, but even I know enough about them to know they are standard run of the mill neo-cons that were butt hurt that Trump came along and replaced their grift with his own.
Carlson was watchable a while back but as time goes by he just gets nuttier and nuttier.Ivytalk wrote:I’ve read a lot of Goldberg’s stuff, including Liberal Fascism. I also met him on a National Review cruise about 10 years ago. Nice, witty guy. He has solid conservative credentials, but he can’t stand Trump. I’m not as familiar with Hayes, but I have seen him on Fox and other venues.
Hannity and Carlson are two punks, er, peas in the same pod.
I had read their contracts weren't getting renewed for 2022. They really took a principled stand!HI54UNI wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:37 pmI find it humorous that liberals tout the neo-cons they normally hate like Hayes and Goldberg because "they quit Fox news" or "opposed Trump".UNI88 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:49 pm
I do kind of remember that about Goldberg. I do not like neo-conservative interventionism.
One of Trump's big accomplishments was keeping the US from getting more entangled in foreign conflicts. Something that illiberal, pseudo-progressives like JSO can't seem to give him credit for.
It would be nice if Fox kicked that unprincipled clown Carlson to the curb. Unfortunately, too many gullible marks buy into his grift.
Seems like FOX has the only collection of principled journalists.Ivytalk wrote:Goldberg and Hayes aren’t the first to leave Fox News under these conditions. Shepard Smith is another one who turned against Trump and left. Now he’s on CNBC.
TruthUNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 11:15 amFYPSDHornet wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 10:09 pm
The mental gymnastics of all this partisanship is quite entertaining. I've heard of these two, I don't watch Fox News, but even I know enough about them to know they are standard run of the mill neo-cons that were butt hurt that Trump came along and replaced their grift with his own.
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
Using Pelosi's actual audio.
Who’s signature is that?
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
The guy with the most hits in the history of MLB. The guy who’s (sic) still not in the HOF. The guy who now sells autographs in Vegas for a living.
The one thing I wish I still had, but got damaged moving? I had that exact poster. Of course getting it signed would have been a challenge, but pretty sure if I could have gotten it anywhere near Trump, he'd have signed it.
Beat me to it.
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... UNnmqC1xCEEarlier this month, Team Trump claimed in court that their efforts to nullify Joe Biden’s victory could not possibly have been fraudulent or be described as a criminal conspiracy, because those in and around the White House had merely been acting on the basis of sincerely held suspicions.
This sparked the latest round in the never-ending debate over whether or not Republicans actually believe that the election was stolen from them. Politically, it is important to push back against the opportunistic ways in which Republicans up and down the country have been using the “big lie”. But if we are trying to understand what is animating the right’s rapidly accelerating radicalization against democracy, binary assumptions of Republicans as either true believers or power-hungry cynics are not very helpful and actually obscure more than they illuminate. In some fundamental way, Republicans are both. What we really need to grapple with is why so many Republicans are convinced the outcome of the election was illegitimate regardless of whether or not there were specific procedural irregularities.
Surveys have consistently indicated that a clear majority, probably about two-thirds, of Republicans consider Biden an illegitimate president. It’s highly likely that many of them are well aware that some of the specific conspiratorial claims emanating from the right – fake ballots? Lost ballots? “Illegals” voting? – are bogus. But they don’t seem to care about the specifics. They just believe Biden shouldn’t be president.
What is most alarming is the underlying ideology that leads so many on the right to consider Democratic victories invalid – even if they concede there was nothing technically wrong with how the election was conducted. It has become a core tenet of the Republican worldview to consider the Democratic party as not simply a political opponent, but an enemy pursuing an “un-American” project of turning what is supposed to be a white Christian patriarchal nation into a land of godless multiracial pluralism. Conversely, Republicans see themselves as the sole proponents of “real” America, defending the country from the forces of radical leftism, liberalism and wokeism.
Even if they don’t subscribe to the more outlandish conspiracies propagated by Trumpists, many Republicans agree that the Democratic party is a fundamentally illegitimate political faction – and that any election outcome that would lead to Democratic governance must be rejected as illegitimate as well. Republicans didn’t start from an assessment of how the 2020 election went down and come away from that exercise with sincerely held doubts. The rationalization worked backwards: They looked at the outcome and decided it must not stand. In other words, accusations of fraud gain plausibility among conservatives not because of empirical evidence, but because they adhere to the “higher truth” of who is and who is not legitimately representing – and therefore entitled to rule – “real” America.
It is worth paying attention to how reactionary intellectuals have been dealing with the 2020 election. We certainly wouldn’t expect Trump, most Republican officials, or the conservative base to devour rightwing treatises. As much as they would like to believe it, these reactionary thinkers are not leading the movement. But they tend to articulate the radicalizing authoritarian spirit that is threatening American democracy in strikingly stark terms. In this way, the rightwing intellectual sphere provides a crucial window into the energies and anxieties that are animating the right more broadly…………..
Crisis periods are hard. Self-created crisis periods are even harder, when leadership is unable or unwilling to admit their own policies got us INTO the mess we're in and believe they, and they alone, can get us OUT of the mess they got us into.kalm wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:20 am Interesting opinion piece backed by some data, and I think fairly accurate. Republicans longing for an America that is gone and one that never really existed for many. Crisis periods in history are hard. Change is hard. But brighter days are likely ahead (probably after 2024).
All crisis periods are self created. It’s almost like they’re inevitable.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:12 amCrisis periods are hard. Self-created crisis periods are even harder, when leadership is unable or unwilling to admit their own policies got us INTO the mess we're in and believe they, and they alone, can get us OUT of the mess they got us into.kalm wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:20 am Interesting opinion piece backed by some data, and I think fairly accurate. Republicans longing for an America that is gone and one that never really existed for many. Crisis periods in history are hard. Change is hard. But brighter days are likely ahead (probably after 2024).
Couple of questions/considerations:kalm wrote: ↑Tue Mar 22, 2022 7:20 am Interesting opinion piece backed by some data, and I think fairly accurate. Republicans longing for an America that is gone and one that never really existed for many. Crisis periods in history are hard. Change is hard. But brighter days are likely ahead (probably after 2024).
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... UNnmqC1xCE
