Trump's Secret Documents. The World awaits.

[houndawg]

They BETTER NOT indoctrinate Trump tomorrow!

Oh man. Where do they find them? Years ago, people were protesting the joint army,air force base south of Seattle in Tacoma. So anyway, they get this pro-troops lady on interview and she proceeds to embarrass herself and make her reasoning look bad. Who do they interview on the anti military side? A college professor who proceeded to mop the floor with her.

But that wasn't education's fault

[BDKJMU]

Donalds should be in the conk primary before some of these clowns who are.

[UNI88]

[kalm]

Donalds should be in the conk primary before some of these clowns who are.

Those kind of tweets will not stand up in the general. For anyone. MAGA is a dying brand for independents.

[UNI88]

Donalds should be in the conk primary before some of these clowns who are.

Those kind of tweets will not stand up in the general. For anyone. MAGA is a dying brand for independents.

I struggle to believe that many people are gullible enough to believe that trump is protecting them. PT Barnum might have been right ...

[SeattleGriz]

The "tolerable amount of (sic) subversion" is a drastically different question than "...the right number of these types and how do we calculate that in order for them to be newsworthy". Did you mean to significantly alter the question?

It doesn’t alter the question. Just a different phrasing. How about answer one or the other?

Klam, the willful misconstruing champion demanding an answer to his cultivated question.

[BDKJMU]

Donalds should be in the conk primary before some of these clowns who are.

Those kind of tweets will not stand up in the general. For anyone. MAGA is a dying brand for independents.

Well, Biden is apparently dying faster than MAGA is. New post indictment Harvard CAPS-Harris poll..
Trump beats Biden by 6 points in 2024 matchup: poll
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... chup-poll/

[SeattleGriz]

Gotta love the narrative the DOJ is promoting. Trump better not defend himself and show his documents!! National security and all, just like the Steele dossier we weren't allowed to see or pretty much anything else in the Russia collusion lie.

Remember that? If Trump said anything, it was going to be obstruction of justice because they were in the middle of an investigation, so he better not defend himself.

The DOJ now gets to build a narrative Trump has some super duper high level documents, but, only the DOJ gets to see them. No one else. Take their word for it!

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... materials/

DOJ seeks protective order to prevent Trump from releasing classified materials amid ongoing investigation

[UNI88]

Gotta love the narrative the DOJ is promoting. Trump better not defend himself and show his documents!! National security and all, just like the Steele dossier we weren't allowed to see or pretty much anything else in the Russia collusion lie.

Remember that? If Trump said anything, it was going to be obstruction of justice because they were in the middle of an investigation, so he better not defend himself.

The DOJ now gets to build a narrative Trump has some super duper high level documents, but, only the DOJ gets to see them. No one else. Take their word for it!

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... materials/

DOJ seeks protective order to prevent Trump from releasing classified materials amid ongoing investigation

You defend yourself from legal charges in a court of law not the court of public opinion.

trump’s an entitled Karen that whines every time he doesn’t get his way.


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[kalm]

Gotta love the narrative the DOJ is promoting. Trump better not defend himself and show his documents!! National security and all, just like the Steele dossier we weren't allowed to see or pretty much anything else in the Russia collusion lie.

Remember that? If Trump said anything, it was going to be obstruction of justice because they were in the middle of an investigation, so he better not defend himself.

The DOJ now gets to build a narrative Trump has some super duper high level documents, but, only the DOJ gets to see them. No one else. Take their word for it!

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... materials/

DOJ seeks protective order to prevent Trump from releasing classified materials amid ongoing investigation

He probably, as he admitted, should have declassified them before he illegally took them. Once he was caught, he should have turned them over.

[UNI88]

Gotta love the narrative the DOJ is promoting. Trump better not defend himself and show his documents!! National security and all, just like the Steele dossier we weren't allowed to see or pretty much anything else in the Russia collusion lie.

Remember that? If Trump said anything, it was going to be obstruction of justice because they were in the middle of an investigation, so he better not defend himself.

The DOJ now gets to build a narrative Trump has some super duper high level documents, but, only the DOJ gets to see them. No one else. Take their word for it!

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... materials/

He probably, as he admitted, should have declassified them before he illegally took them. Once he was caught, he should have turned them over.

He wouldn’t be able to brag about having classified documents if he’d declassified them. His ego did him in.


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[bobbythekidd]

Gotta love the narrative the DOJ is promoting. Trump better not defend himself and show his documents!! National security and all, just like the Steele dossier we weren't allowed to see or pretty much anything else in the Russia collusion lie.

Remember that? If Trump said anything, it was going to be obstruction of justice because they were in the middle of an investigation, so he better not defend himself.

The DOJ now gets to build a narrative Trump has some super duper high level documents, but, only the DOJ gets to see them. No one else. Take their word for it!

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... materials/

DOJ seeks protective order to prevent Trump from releasing classified materials amid ongoing investigation

SG, how is that your takeaway from that article? It appears that the judge doesn't think that Trump declassified those documents with his noggin as Trump claims. The judge thinks they are still classified and should be treated as such.

From the same link:
“Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material. Defendants may take notes regarding Discovery Materials, but such notes shall be stored securely by Defense Counsel,” the DOJ wrote.


You know, the ones that the FBI planted. The same ones that he took because the presidential records act allowed him to take (it doesn't).

Why would you think it's ok for Trump to air out classified materials to the public? That is espionage, and that is what he is being charged with in the first place. Your devotion to protecting Trump isn't allowing you to see the forest for the trees.

[SeattleGriz]

Gotta love the narrative the DOJ is promoting. Trump better not defend himself and show his documents!! National security and all, just like the Steele dossier we weren't allowed to see or pretty much anything else in the Russia collusion lie.

Remember that? If Trump said anything, it was going to be obstruction of justice because they were in the middle of an investigation, so he better not defend himself.

The DOJ now gets to build a narrative Trump has some super duper high level documents, but, only the DOJ gets to see them. No one else. Take their word for it!

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... materials/

SG, how is that your takeaway from that article? It appears that the judge doesn't think that Trump declassified those documents with his noggin as Trump claims. The judge thinks they are still classified and should be treated as such.

From the same link:
“Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material. Defendants may take notes regarding Discovery Materials, but such notes shall be stored securely by Defense Counsel,” the DOJ wrote.


You know, the ones that the FBI planted. The same ones that he took because the presidential records act allowed him to take (it doesn't).

Why would you think it's ok for Trump to air out classified materials to the public? That is espionage, and that is what he is being charged with in the first place. Your devotion to protecting Trump isn't allowing you to see the forest for the trees.

I'm all for keeping documents from public eyes that should be, but if I've learned anything from the DOJ, it's that they are full of shit and will lie. Look at the Russia collusion. Remember we weren't allowed to see the Steele document at first due to methods and conventions? It was a made up document and they used the cover of national security to prevent the public from seeing it.

Look at how many leaks are coming from the DOJ? Who runs an investigation so slipshod that leaks happen? Then the leaks are never corroborated, but constantly repeated.

It's all narrative. Look at this case. It's not even about classified docs because they know Trump's got them with the Records Act. So what do they resort to? Trump's got documents that are unclassified but paramount to the safety of our country. Weak.

[bobbythekidd]

SG, how is that your takeaway from that article? It appears that the judge doesn't think that Trump declassified those documents with his noggin as Trump claims. The judge thinks they are still classified and should be treated as such.

From the same link:
“Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material. Defendants may take notes regarding Discovery Materials, but such notes shall be stored securely by Defense Counsel,” the DOJ wrote.


You know, the ones that the FBI planted. The same ones that he took because the presidential records act allowed him to take (it doesn't).

Why would you think it's ok for Trump to air out classified materials to the public? That is espionage, and that is what he is being charged with in the first place. Your devotion to protecting Trump isn't allowing you to see the forest for the trees.

Look at this case. It's not even about classified docs because they know Trump's got them with the Records Act. So what do they resort to? Trump's got documents that are unclassified but paramount to the safety of our country. Weak.

1. FFS. This is absolutely about classified documents. I've been steadfast in bearing that drum this whole thread. The documents are still classified. If they were just some petty notes, the DOJ wouldn't even be involved. Please let me know why you think the documents in question are not classified.

2. Regardless of classification, Trump wasn't allowed to retain documents related to his term in office after January 20. I'll post a link to the Presidential Records Act below. It's obvious you have yet to read it. It's about 6 pages so it won't take long to have someone read it to you. Feel free to post the part that before up your claim that Trump can keep these documents.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?pat ... ion=prelim

3. Before we can move forward with this conversation, we are going to have to agree on the facts around this case. I'm open to any argument you put forth, with reputable documentation. Ask I ask is that you are willing to do the same. Sounds fair?

[SeattleGriz]

Look at this case. It's not even about classified docs because they know Trump's got them with the Records Act. So what do they resort to? Trump's got documents that are unclassified but paramount to the safety of our country. Weak.

1. FFS. This is absolutely about classified documents. I've been steadfast in bearing that drum this whole thread. The documents are still classified. If they were just some petty notes, the DOJ wouldn't even be involved. Please let me know why you think the documents in question are not classified.

2. Regardless of classification, Trump wasn't allowed to retain documents related to his term in office after January 20. I'll post a link to the Presidential Records Act below. It's obvious you have yet to read it. It's about 6 pages so it won't take long to have someone read it to you. Feel free to post the part that before up your claim that Trump can keep these documents.

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?pat ... ion=prelim

3. Before we can move forward with this conversation, we are going to have to agree on the facts around this case. I'm open to any argument you put forth, with reputable documentation. Ask I ask is that you are willing to do the same. Sounds fair?

1) Then why do the charges sidestep classification and go with failure to hand over nat security docs? They may be classified, but if that charge is sidestepped, they have to know it's a weak angle.

2). All Presidents work with the records group. Even if a President keeps documents they want, it's a civil suit. Not this.

3) I'll provide the best I can, but stuck reading what others have to post...meaning I'm not versed in the law and have to accept their analysis. But I'll post my sources.

On a separate note, what do you think the nat sec docs are about? It's been speculated they reveal nuclear posture. Why would Trump want to keep this? What value does it have for him other than to bolster his Presidency and ego?

[houndawg]

Gotta love the narrative the DOJ is promoting. Trump better not defend himself and show his documents!! National security and all, just like the Steele dossier we weren't allowed to see or pretty much anything else in the Russia collusion lie.

Remember that? If Trump said anything, it was going to be obstruction of justice because they were in the middle of an investigation, so he better not defend himself.

The DOJ now gets to build a narrative Trump has some super duper high level documents, but, only the DOJ gets to see them. No one else. Take their word for it!

https://thehill.com/regulation/court-ba ... materials/

DOJ seeks protective order to prevent Trump from releasing classified materials amid ongoing investigation

He can't. His lawyers still can't find them all.

How much you think he got for them?

[houndawg]

SG, how is that your takeaway from that article? It appears that the judge doesn't think that Trump declassified those documents with his noggin as Trump claims. The judge thinks they are still classified and should be treated as such.

From the same link:
“Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material. Defendants may take notes regarding Discovery Materials, but such notes shall be stored securely by Defense Counsel,” the DOJ wrote.


You know, the ones that the FBI planted. The same ones that he took because the presidential records act allowed him to take (it doesn't).

Why would you think it's ok for Trump to air out classified materials to the public? That is espionage, and that is what he is being charged with in the first place. Your devotion to protecting Trump isn't allowing you to see the forest for the trees.

I'm all for keeping documents from public eyes that should be, but if I've learned anything from the DOJ, it's that they are full of shit and will lie. Look at the Russia collusion. Remember we weren't allowed to see the Steele document at first due to methods and conventions? It was a made up document and they used the cover of national security to prevent the public from seeing it.

Look at how many leaks are coming from the DOJ? Who runs an investigation so slipshod that leaks happen? Then the leaks are never corroborated, but constantly repeated.

It's all narrative. Look at this case. It's not even about classified docs because they know Trump's got them with the Records Act. So what do they resort to? Trump's got documents that are unclassified but paramount to the safety of our country. Weak.

As weak as weak can get.... your desperation is showing. He's in deep shit because he spent a year ignoring NARA requests the return of documents and then lying about it at least twice - he even coerced one of his lawyers into signing a statement that everything had been returned; he got caught lying and nobody believes a word of the drivel he spews. You're beginning to panic and say stupid shit in an effort to change the subject. He ignored, lied, and obfuscated for over a year until they raided his nest of spies and seized the evidence of his espionage. The good news isthat he is the only Republican who can't beat Biden. Donks are laughing their asses off right now while pretending to be worried.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm all for keeping documents from public eyes that should be, but if I've learned anything from the DOJ, it's that they are full of shit and will lie. Look at the Russia collusion. Remember we weren't allowed to see the Steele document at first due to methods and conventions? It was a made up document and they used the cover of national security to prevent the public from seeing it.

Look at how many leaks are coming from the DOJ? Who runs an investigation so slipshod that leaks happen? Then the leaks are never corroborated, but constantly repeated.

It's all narrative. Look at this case. It's not even about classified docs because they know Trump's got them with the Records Act. So what do they resort to? Trump's got documents that are unclassified but paramount to the safety of our country. Weak.

As weak as weak can get.... your desperation is showing. He's in deep shit because he spent a year ignoring NARA requests the return of documents and then lying about it at least twice - he even coerced one of his lawyers into signing a statement that everything had been returned; he got caught lying and nobody believes a word of the drivel he spews. You're beginning to panic and say stupid shit in an effort to change the subject. He ignored, lied, and obfuscated for over a year until they raided his nest of spies and seized the evidence of his espionage. The good news isthat he is the only Republican who can't beat Biden. Donks are laughing their asses off right now while pretending to be worried.

Why would Trump do that? What is their value. According to many on this board, it would be to feed his ego. If that's the case, what would do that? In my opinion, any correspondence with certain country leaders showing he was negotiating peace instead of nuke wars.

A document like that would sure look good in his Presidential record of his career and would check the box on "nuclear posture". Rocketman, perhaps.

Plus, not following NARA is a civil suit. DOJ is making up more shit you'd never see with someone from the club and you're gobbling it up. You're a terrible hippie. A sellout hippie!

[houndawg]

As weak as weak can get.... your desperation is showing. He's in deep shit because he spent a year ignoring NARA requests the return of documents and then lying about it at least twice - he even coerced one of his lawyers into signing a statement that everything had been returned; he got caught lying and nobody believes a word of the drivel he spews. You're beginning to panic and say stupid shit in an effort to change the subject. He ignored, lied, and obfuscated for over a year until they raided his nest of spies and seized the evidence of his espionage. The good news isthat he is the only Republican who can't beat Biden. Donks are laughing their asses off right now while pretending to be worried.

Why would Trump do that? What is their value. According to many on this board, it would be to feed his ego. If that's the case, what would do that? In my opinion, any correspondence with certain country leaders showing he was negotiating peace instead of nuke wars.

A document like that would sure look good in his Presidential record of his career and would check the box on "nuclear posture".

....your guess is as good as mine......except for needing to be medicated to think it seems plausible.

[SeattleGriz]

Why would Trump do that? What is their value. According to many on this board, it would be to feed his ego. If that's the case, what would do that? In my opinion, any correspondence with certain country leaders showing he was negotiating peace instead of nuke wars.

A document like that would sure look good in his Presidential record of his career and would check the box on "nuclear posture".

....your guess is as good as mine......except for needing to be medicated to think it seems plausible.

Dammit. You replied before I could get my edit in.

You're a terrible hippie. A sellout hippie! Siding with the gubmint.

[UNI88]

SG, how is that your takeaway from that article? It appears that the judge doesn't think that Trump declassified those documents with his noggin as Trump claims. The judge thinks they are still classified and should be treated as such.

From the same link:
“Defendants shall only have access to Discovery Materials under the direct supervision of Defense Counsel or a member of Defense Counsel’s staff. Defendants shall not retain copies of Discovery Material. Defendants may take notes regarding Discovery Materials, but such notes shall be stored securely by Defense Counsel,” the DOJ wrote.


You know, the ones that the FBI planted. The same ones that he took because the presidential records act allowed him to take (it doesn't).

Why would you think it's ok for Trump to air out classified materials to the public? That is espionage, and that is what he is being charged with in the first place. Your devotion to protecting Trump isn't allowing you to see the forest for the trees.

I'm all for keeping documents from public eyes that should be, but if I've learned anything from the DOJ, it's that they are full of shit and will lie. Look at the Russia collusion. Remember we weren't allowed to see the Steele document at first due to methods and conventions? It was a made up document and they used the cover of national security to prevent the public from seeing it.

Look at how many leaks are coming from the DOJ? Who runs an investigation so slipshod that leaks happen? Then the leaks are never corroborated, but constantly repeated.

It's all narrative. Look at this case. It's not even about classified docs because they know Trump's got them with the Records Act. So what do they resort to? Trump's got documents that are unclassified but paramount to the safety of our country. Weak.

If I’ve learned anything from trump it’s that he’s full of shit and will lie.


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[SeattleGriz]

I'm all for keeping documents from public eyes that should be, but if I've learned anything from the DOJ, it's that they are full of shit and will lie. Look at the Russia collusion. Remember we weren't allowed to see the Steele document at first due to methods and conventions? It was a made up document and they used the cover of national security to prevent the public from seeing it.

Look at how many leaks are coming from the DOJ? Who runs an investigation so slipshod that leaks happen? Then the leaks are never corroborated, but constantly repeated.

It's all narrative. Look at this case. It's not even about classified docs because they know Trump's got them with the Records Act. So what do they resort to? Trump's got documents that are unclassified but paramount to the safety of our country. Weak.

If I’ve learned anything from trump it’s that he’s full of shit and will lie.


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And? What does that have to do with wondering what documents are being kept. What would a full of shit liar keep? Something to make him look good, and what could that be?

[kalm]

If I’ve learned anything from trump it’s that he’s full of shit and will lie.


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And? What does that have to do with wondering what documents are being kept. What would a full of shit liar keep? Something to make him look good, and what could that be?

What matters 1st is whether or not he violated and is continuing to violate the law through possession. The contents only come after that is established.

[BDKJMU]

As weak as weak can get.... your desperation is showing. He's in deep shit because he spent a year ignoring NARA requests the return of documents and then lying about it at least twice - he even coerced one of his lawyers into signing a statement that everything had been returned; he got caught lying and nobody believes a word of the drivel he spews. You're beginning to panic and say stupid shit in an effort to change the subject. He ignored, lied, and obfuscated for over a year until they raided his nest of spies and seized the evidence of his espionage. The good news isthat he is the only Republican who can't beat Biden. Donks are laughing their asses off right now while pretending to be worried.

1st post indictment poll (Harvard-Harris) has Trump +6. Your boy Biden is sinking like a rock, getting feebler and more demented every day.

[kalm]

A breakdown on which documents will be selected for use at trial and how.