Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[kalm]

That’s why I criticized leadership on BOTH sides. I’m not an expert on this but don’t Jews also have a historical connection to the land? And there’s certainly more than just Ashkenazi Jews there.

They were in Germany and they were not thinking about anything in Palestine.The 3 Us(USA,USSR,UK)made it possible for Israel to exist. That is the equivalent of me removing you from your house and allowing PUTIN to move in.

So not all Jews have a historical connection to the land? Is it the same for all Muslims?

[dal4018]

They were in Germany and they were not thinking about anything in Palestine.The 3 Us(USA,USSR,UK)made it possible for Israel to exist. That is the equivalent of me removing you from your house and allowing PUTIN to move in.

So not all Jews have a historical connection to the land? Is it the same for all Muslims?

Muslims are not going around saying that they own a particular place like Jews are and no one placed them on a different piece of land.

[kalm]

So not all Jews have a historical connection to the land? Is it the same for all Muslims?

Muslims are not going around saying that they own a particular place like Jews are and no one placed them on a different piece of land.

I get the history Dal. There is shitty behavior and suffering on all sides of this.

[UNI88]

So not all Jews have a historical connection to the land? Is it the same for all Muslims?

Muslims are not going around saying that they own a particular place like Jews are and no one placed them on a different piece of land.

Aren’t the Palestinians saying they own the land? Who states “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”? There is just as much blood on Palestinian hands as there is Israeli.


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[Baldy]

That’s why I criticized leadership on BOTH sides. I’m not an expert on this but don’t Jews also have a historical connection to the land? And there’s certainly more than just Ashkenazi Jews there.

They were in Germany and they were not thinking about anything in Palestine.The 3 Us(USA,USSR,UK)made it possible for Israel to exist. That is the equivalent of me removing you from your house and allowing PUTIN to move in.

Does Israel have a right to exist?

[SeattleGriz]

Muslims are not going around saying that they own a particular place like Jews are and no one placed them on a different piece of land.

I get the history Dal. There is shitty behavior and suffering on all sides of this.

Holy fucking shit. And you comment on Ukraine. Christ.

[BDKJMU]

A lot of big $$ pushback against the pro Palestine/Hamas at the ‘elite’ colleges and universities..

[kalm]

[UNI88]

Senator-turned-university-president disses fellow educators for silence\

“You got so many universities around the country [who] speak about every topic under the sun, Halloween costumes and microaggressions. But somehow in a moment of the most grave grotesque attacks on Jewish people since the Holocaust, they all of a sudden say there’s too much complexity to say anything,” the former Republican senator said during an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

In Sasse’s own statement, addressed to Jewish students and alumni at the University of Florida, he forcefully condemned the Oct. 7 Hamas attack and slammed those in “elite academia” inadvertently or explicitly expressing support for Hamas. Sasse also promised to “protect our students” in the event it becomes the site of any “anti-Israel” protests.

Once again Ben Sasse is the adult in the room.

You can have compassion for the plight of the Palestinian people but I don't think you can justify or defend Hamas.

[GannonFan]

Senator-turned-university-president disses fellow educators for silence\

“You got so many universities around the country [who] speak about every topic under the sun, Halloween costumes and microaggressions. But somehow in a moment of the most grave grotesque attacks on Jewish people since the Holocaust, they all of a sudden say there’s too much complexity to say anything,” the former Republican senator said during an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

In Sasse’s own statement, addressed to Jewish students and alumni at the University of Florida, he forcefully condemned the Oct. 7 Hamas attack and slammed those in “elite academia” inadvertently or explicitly expressing support for Hamas. Sasse also promised to “protect our students” in the event it becomes the site of any “anti-Israel” protests.

Once again Ben Sasse is the adult in the room.

You can have compassion for the plight of the Palestinian people but I don't think you can justify or defend Hamas.

It is possible to condemn Hamas and those who support it, be in favor of better conditions for the Palestinian people, and to both support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while also criticizing it for how it handles the Palestinian neighbors. Very few things in this word are strictly black and white, and Israel and the Mideast is surely not one of them.

[dal4018]

Muslims are not going around saying that they own a particular place like Jews are and no one placed them on a different piece of land.

I get the history Dal. There is shitty behavior and suffering on all sides of this.

That is my point it all started out with Israel causing the problems in the '40s and everyone sat around and watched it.

[dal4018]

Senator-turned-university-president disses fellow educators for silence\



Once again Ben Sasse is the adult in the room.

You can have compassion for the plight of the Palestinian people but I don't think you can justify or defend Hamas.

It is possible to condemn Hamas and those who support it, be in favor of better conditions for the Palestinian people, and to both support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while also criticizing it for how it handles the Palestinian neighbors. Very few things in this word are strictly black and white, and Israel and the Mideast is surely not one of them.

Hamas is defending itself why is it wrong for these people to defend themselves.

[GannonFan]

I get the history Dal. There is shitty behavior and suffering on all sides of this.

That is my point it all started out with Israel causing the problems in the '40s and everyone sat around and watched it.

Things were happening well before the 1940's and Israel, which didn't exist before then, was just one of many "causing the problems". It's far more complicated than you're trying to make it out to be. If you just look at the 1940's you miss what was happening under the Ottoman Empire (in which the area of Israel/Palestine existed), you miss the outcome of WWI and the British defeat of the Ottoman Empire in Palestine, and you miss the numerous armed conflicts between Arabs and Jews in that area for much of the 1920's to 1940's. To say that any one side is fully responsible for any of that history is to simply be ignorant of that history.

[Baldy]

It is possible to condemn Hamas and those who support it, be in favor of better conditions for the Palestinian people, and to both support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while also criticizing it for how it handles the Palestinian neighbors. Very few things in this word are strictly black and white, and Israel and the Mideast is surely not one of them.

Hamas is defending itself why is it wrong for these people to defend themselves.

Since you failed to answer the simple question, I'll ask again.

Does Israel have a right to exist?

[kalm]

Bombing hospitals is not a good look.

[UNI88]

Senator-turned-university-president disses fellow educators for silence\
Once again Ben Sasse is the adult in the room.

You can have compassion for the plight of the Palestinian people but I don't think you can justify or defend Hamas.

It is possible to condemn Hamas and those who support it, be in favor of better conditions for the Palestinian people, and to both support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while also criticizing it for how it handles the Palestinian neighbors. Very few things in this word are strictly black and white, and Israel and the Mideast is surely not one of them.

Completely agree.

[UNI88]

It is possible to condemn Hamas and those who support it, be in favor of better conditions for the Palestinian people, and to both support Israel's right to exist and defend itself while also criticizing it for how it handles the Palestinian neighbors. Very few things in this word are strictly black and white, and Israel and the Mideast is surely not one of them.

Hamas is defending itself why is it wrong for these people to defend themselves.

Attempting to incite terror and reprisal by intentionally targeting citizens/families is not defending yourself. Hiding behind your own citizens to stoke outrage is not defending yourself.

I feel for the Palestinian people. They should have a place in this world where they can live in peace and prosperity. I vehemently disagree with any philosophy based on driving the Jewish people out of Palestine/Israel with terrorism and violence.

[UNI88]

Question - how are the Jewish people who immigrated to Israel/Palestine from Europe and other places different from the Latinos who have immigrated to the US from Mexico, Central & South America, and the Caribbean?

If people want the Jewish people to leave Israel/Palestine to the Palestinians, where should they go? Many have been there for 80+ years. You have generations who were born and grew up in Israel and have never calling anywhere else home.

How is hating them/expecting them to leave not at least as bad as hating Latinos/wanting the Dreamers to leave?

I'm trying to understand how an illiberal can rationalize the two positions (and kalm I realize that not all lefties feel that way but the ones that do are plenty vocal).

[kalm]

Bombing hospitals is not a good look.

Especially if it was Hamas as Israel is now claiming.

[kalm]

Question - how are the Jewish people who immigrated to Israel/Palestine from Europe and other places different from the Latinos who have immigrated to the US from Mexico, Central & South America, and the Caribbean?

If people want the Jewish people to leave Israel/Palestine to the Palestinians, where should they go? Many have been there for 80+ years. You have generations who were born and grew up in Israel and have never calling anywhere else home.

How is hating them/expecting them to leave not at least as bad as hating Latinos/wanting the Dreamers to leave?

I'm trying to understand how an illiberal can rationalize the two positions (and kalm I realize that not all lefties feel that way but the ones that do are plenty vocal).

Thanks. I’m in total agreement with you and Ganny here. I too am getting tired of the college campus/far far left bullshit.

[Caribbean Hen]

Question - how are the Jewish people who immigrated to Israel/Palestine from Europe and other places different from the Latinos who have immigrated to the US from Mexico, Central & South America, and the Caribbean?

If people want the Jewish people to leave Israel/Palestine to the Palestinians, where should they go? Many have been there for 80+ years. You have generations who were born and grew up in Israel and have never calling anywhere else home.

How is hating them/expecting them to leave not at least as bad as hating Latinos/wanting the Dreamers to leave?

I'm trying to understand how an illiberal can rationalize the two positions (and kalm I realize that not all lefties feel that way but the ones that do are plenty vocal).

Thanks. I’m in total agreement with you and Ganny here. I too am getting tired of the college campus/left bullshit.

FYP


Be careful, you’ll be called a MAGA yahoo soon enough

[kalm]

Thanks. I’m in total agreement with you and Ganny here. I too am getting tired of the college campus/left bullshit.

FYP


Be careful, you’ll be called a MAGA yahoo soon enough

1) You FMP by removing “far far”? You do realize the Dem establishment, including the Whitehouse and congressional leadership, hates the far left as much as the right?

2) Are you MAGA?

[Caribbean Hen]

FYP


Be careful, you’ll be called a MAGA yahoo soon enough

1) You FMP by removing “far far”? You do realize the Dem establishment, including the Whitehouse and congressional leadership, hates the far left as much as the right?

2) Are you MAGA?

Far Far from the truth

[UNI88]

Thanks. I’m in total agreement with you and Ganny here. I too am getting tired of the college campus/left bullshit.

FYP

Be careful, you’ll be called a MAGA yahoo soon enough

It's MAGAt yahoo and you can thank BDKKKaren for the additional of yahoo to the pejorative.

[kalm]

1) You FMP by removing “far far”? You do realize the Dem establishment, including the Whitehouse and congressional leadership, hates the far left as much as the right?

2) Are you MAGA?

Far Far from the truth

Which part?