Team Trump v/s Everyone

[houndawg]

But if there had been an injured party, well, they entered into it with their eyes open.... and if their eyes were open, that would suggest that the injured parties were willing participants in a fraud, right?

Now you're just spinning in circles. If fraud occurred, who was defrauded?

If there was nothing to hide why didn't they ask for a jury trial?

If you prepare a fraudulent financial statement and use it to dupe your bank, you committed a crime, period - it isn't the bank's call - and if things had gone south the bank would have been on him like a chicken on a june bug for fraud.

[BDKJMU]

Making $$ in the real estate market is treasonous.

...when you're selling state secrets in exchange for a hotel in Moscow it is. Maybe its not true, I don't know but many people are saying....

When you’re fucking sheep in Illinois. Maybe its not true, I don't know but many people are saying....

[BDKJMU]

Its not nitpicking. Fake and fraudulent can be 2 different things.

Once filled out the document was both fake and fraudulent.

It doesn't matter if the unfilled document was printed by someone with the agency/organization responsible for printing it. It matters whether the information on the completed document was valid.

Alternate electors doesn’t automatically mean fake.

[houndawg]

...when you're selling state secrets in exchange for a hotel in Moscow it is. Maybe its not true, I don't know but many people are saying....

When you’re fucking sheep in Illinois. Maybe its not true, I don't know but many people are saying....

Don't knock it until you've tried it

[UNI88]

Once filled out the document was both fake and fraudulent.

It doesn't matter if the unfilled document was printed by someone with the agency/organization responsible for printing it. It matters whether the information on the completed document was valid.

Alternate electors doesn’t automatically mean fake.

Sure, and I could present an "alternate" will to a probate court and it wouldn't automatically be fake or fraudulent.

[kalm]

Once filled out the document was both fake and fraudulent.

It doesn't matter if the unfilled document was printed by someone with the agency/organization responsible for printing it. It matters whether the information on the completed document was valid.

Alternate electors doesn’t automatically mean fake.

Are they like alternate facts?

[GannonFan]

Now you're just spinning in circles. If fraud occurred, who was defrauded?

If there was nothing to hide why didn't they ask for a jury trial?

If you prepare a fraudulent financial statement and use it to dupe your bank, you committed a crime, period - it isn't the bank's call - and if things had gone south the bank would have been on him like a chicken on a june bug for fraud.

Well, at least you're acknowledging now that nothing went south. We're getting there.

[UNI88]

Kemp predicts Trump trials will be ‘ruled on’ before election

Kemp was asked on CNN’s “The Source with Kaitlan Collins” if he believed Trump’s cases “should go to trial before the elections” so voters can make a decision on the outcomes of his cases.


“Well, listen, I think most voters probably feel the same way I do,” he told Collins. “I mean, we’re a country that was built on laws and the Constitution. And it is up to us, really as elected leaders, to be the ones that exemplify that in a lot of ways. So we’ll see where the process plays out. I think probably they will be ruled on before the election.”

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[BDKJMU]

Kemp predicts Trump trials will be ‘ruled on’ before election

Kemp was asked on CNN’s “The Source with Kaitlan Collins” if he believed Trump’s cases “should go to trial before the elections” so voters can make a decision on the outcomes of his cases.


“Well, listen, I think most voters probably feel the same way I do,” he told Collins. “I mean, we’re a country that was built on laws and the Constitution. And it is up to us, really as elected leaders, to be the ones that exemplify that in a lot of ways. So we’ll see where the process plays out. I think probably they will be ruled on before the election.”

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What exactly does ‘ruled on’ mean? Completed trials? If so, there’s ZERO chance of that happening (esp GA and FL). He’s the only one I’ve seen saying all 4 trials will be complete (if that is what he’s saying) before the election. Every legal analyst I’ve seen lately, left, right, and center, has said anywhere from zero to 2 (NY & DC).

[kalm]

Kemp predicts Trump trials will be ‘ruled on’ before election




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What exactly does ‘ruled on’ mean? Completed trials? If so, there’s ZERO chance of that happening (esp GA and FL). He’s the only one I’ve seen saying all 4 trials will be complete (if that is what he’s saying) before the election. Every legal analyst I’ve seen lately, left, right, and center, has said anywhere from zero to 2 (NY & DC).

But you’d like to see them go to trial sooner, no?

[houndawg]

If there was nothing to hide why didn't they ask for a jury trial?

If you prepare a fraudulent financial statement and use it to dupe your bank, you committed a crime, period - it isn't the bank's call - and if things had gone south the bank would have been on him like a chicken on a june bug for fraud.

Well, at least you're acknowledging now that nothing went south. We're getting there.

Not at all.

The banks lost out on $168,000,000 in interest due to the fraudulent financial statement according to the judge

I don't doubt the banks knew that the statement was bullshit - like like everything else connected with that bloated girdle-wearing gasbag - but just because they decided to look the other way doesn't mean that Trump et al weren't using fraudulent financial statements to secure money. Which is illegal. When you get that then we can be said to be "getting there". I think you can do it.

[UNI88]

"Unreasonable hurdles": Legal experts say Jack Smith could seek Judge Cannon's removal

Cannon ordered Trump to respond to Smith's motion by Friday, which the experts argue will force her hand. "Either she reverses her position—which would be an admission that she was fundamentally mistaken about the law in a way that caused 'manifest injustice'—or she leaves her ruling in place, putting individuals in jeopardy and twisting the law to help Trump," they write, adding that Smith could then have enough "ammunition" to pursue her removal from the case.

[BDKJMU]

What exactly does ‘ruled on’ mean? Completed trials? If so, there’s ZERO chance of that happening (esp GA and FL). He’s the only one I’ve seen saying all 4 trials will be complete (if that is what he’s saying) before the election. Every legal analyst I’ve seen lately, left, right, and center, has said anywhere from zero to 2 (NY & DC).

But you’d like to see them go to trial sooner, no?

Only if they were completed on time for NY and DC to be overturned by SCOTUS on appeal, which there isn’t time for, so no.

[UNI88]

But you’d like to see them go to trial sooner, no?

Only if they were completed on time for NY and DC to be overturned by SCOTUS on appeal, which there isn’t time for, so no.

Leaving voters with incomplete information about his guilt is election interference. Trials need to be accelerated so that voters know if he's guilty or not.

[SeattleGriz]

Now you're just spinning in circles. If fraud occurred, who was defrauded?

If there was nothing to hide why didn't they ask for a jury trial?

If you prepare a fraudulent financial statement and use it to dupe your bank, you committed a crime, period - it isn't the bank's call - and if things had gone south the bank would have been on him like a chicken on a june bug for fraud.

Yes, those same banks he "defrauded" said they were fine with his statements and asked for more business.

You, Klamala and StUni sure are coming off as dipshits trying to spin these miscarriage of justice lawsuits as above board.

You sure you weren't a "technical" IE and not a professional? Really more of a methods process analyst (aka: Average Joe).

[BDKJMU]

Only if they were completed on time for NY and DC to be overturned by SCOTUS on appeal, which there isn’t time for, so no.

Leaving voters with incomplete information about his guilt is election interference. Trials need to be accelerated so that voters know if he's guilty or not.

And not allowing enough time for a conviction to be overturned (DC) on appellate and/or SCOTUS before early voting began would be leaving voters with incomplete information about his innocence.

[UNI88]

Leaving voters with incomplete information about his guilt is election interference. Trials need to be accelerated so that voters know if he's guilty or not.

And not allowing enough time for a conviction to be overturned (DC) on appellate and/or SCOTUS before early voting began would be leaving voters with incomplete information about his innocence.

Two options if he (and his supporters) believe in law & order:
- He could pause his campaign, let the legal process continue to conclusion and run in 2028 if he's found innocent.
- If elected in 2024, he could let the legal process continue to conclusion and resign if he's found guilty.

[BDKJMU]

And not allowing enough time for a conviction to be overturned (DC) on appellate and/or SCOTUS before early voting began would be leaving voters with incomplete information about his innocence.

Then he should pause his campaign, let the legal process work out and run in 2028 if he's found innocent.

[UNI88]

Two options if he (and his supporters) believe in law & order:
- He could pause his campaign, let the legal process continue to conclusion and run in 2028 if he's found innocent.
- If elected in 2024, he could let the legal process continue to conclusion and resign if he's found guilty.

The second option shouldn't be a problem if he's innocent.

[UNI88]

If there was nothing to hide why didn't they ask for a jury trial?

If you prepare a fraudulent financial statement and use it to dupe your bank, you committed a crime, period - it isn't the bank's call - and if things had gone south the bank would have been on him like a chicken on a june bug for fraud.

Yes, those same banks he "defrauded" said they were fine with his statements and asked for more business.

You, Klamala and StUni sure are coming off as dipshits trying to spin these miscarriage of justice lawsuits as above board.

You sure you weren't a "technical" IE and not a professional? Really more of a methods process analyst (aka: Average Joe).

Speaking of "making unfounded claims " you might want to check my posts on the NY fraud trial before saying that I'm "coming off as dipshits trying to spin these miscarriage of justice lawsuits as above board."

I've agreed with Ganny several times that it's the weakest of the cases and I'm not a fan of it other than it's fun to see the 4D chess master squirm.

[kalm]

Leaving voters with incomplete information about his guilt is election interference. Trials need to be accelerated so that voters know if he's guilty or not.

And not allowing enough time for a conviction to be overturned (DC) on appellate and/or SCOTUS before early voting began would be leaving voters with incomplete information about his innocence.

That would at least be partially on Trump’s delaying tactics.

[SeattleGriz]

Yes, those same banks he "defrauded" said they were fine with his statements and asked for more business.

You, Klamala and StUni sure are coming off as dipshits trying to spin these miscarriage of justice lawsuits as above board.

You sure you weren't a "technical" IE and not a professional? Really more of a methods process analyst (aka: Average Joe).

Speaking of "making unfounded claims " you might want to check my posts on the NY fraud trial before saying that I'm "coming off as dipshits trying to spin these miscarriage of justice lawsuits as above board."

I've agreed with Ganny several times that it's the weakest of the cases and I'm not a fan of it other than it's fun to see the 4D chess master squirm.

So you don't care that it's a miscarriage of justice. Thats okay Mr TDS. It was obvious you are driven more by hatred than appreciation of fairness.

[UNI88]

Speaking of "making unfounded claims " you might want to check my posts on the NY fraud trial before saying that I'm "coming off as dipshits trying to spin these miscarriage of justice lawsuits as above board."

I've agreed with Ganny several times that it's the weakest of the cases and I'm not a fan of it other than it's fun to see the 4D chess master squirm.

So you don't care that it's a miscarriage of justice. Thats okay Mr TDS. It was obvious you are driven more by hatred than appreciation of fairness.

Do I care? Yes.

Do I care nearly as much as you appear to that a millionaire who has weaponized the legal system against people with fewer resources than he has is having that legal system used against him? No. There are people much more deserving of my compassion and concern

[SeattleGriz]

So you don't care that it's a miscarriage of justice. Thats okay Mr TDS. It was obvious you are driven more by hatred than appreciation of fairness.

Do I care? Yes. Do I care nearly as much as you appear to that a millionaire who has weaponized the legal system against people with fewer resources than he has is having that legal system used against him? No.

Got it. It's all about retribution, not justice. Exactly like I've been saying. Raging TDS. Please check yourself into a clinic.

[houndawg]

If there was nothing to hide why didn't they ask for a jury trial?

If you prepare a fraudulent financial statement and use it to dupe your bank, you committed a crime, period - it isn't the bank's call - and if things had gone south the bank would have been on him like a chicken on a june bug for fraud.

Yes, those same banks he "defrauded" said they were fine with his statements and asked for more business.

You, Klamala and StUni sure are coming off as dipshits trying to spin these miscarriage of justice lawsuits as above board.

You sure you weren't a "technical" IE and not a professional? Really more of a methods process analyst (aka: Average Joe).

You mad bro? Have some repressed butthurt about Average Joes?


Here, I'll type it slow this time: doesn't matter whether or not the bank's officers were active participants in the scheme or just willing to turn a blind eye to obvious bullshit - the banks shareholders were defrauded of $168,000,000 in interest due to the fraudulent financial statement. womp womp.