When does Biden drop out of the race?

[kalm]

I’m sadly not surprised you’re missing the trend. Members of mass movements often do.

The trend was to protect Joey Rotten and his sham Presidency at all costs … all costs!

Until he shit the bed on National TV

Now everything has changed because of Joey and Dems wanting him out only now

Not remotely what I’m talking about.

Here. Try reading this classic. It’s profoundly good and might help you discover some things about yourself.



Im here to help you, CH.

[Caribbean Hen]

The trend was to protect Joey Rotten and his sham Presidency at all costs … all costs!

Until he shit the bed on National TV

Now everything has changed because of Joey and Dems wanting him out only now

Not remotely what I’m talking about.

Here. Try reading this classic. It’s profoundly good and might help you discover some things about yourself.



Im here to help you, CH.

No thanks Rev Jones

[kalm]

Not remotely what I’m talking about.

Here. Try reading this classic. It’s profoundly good and might help you discover some things about yourself.



Im here to help you, CH.

No thanks Rev Jones

I don’t remember Jones being mentioned in Hoffer’s book.

But wicked comeback, bro.

[BDKJMU]

These self appointed intellectuals like fake Dr Jill are too stupid to see her own actions are actually ruining pathetic Joey Rottens legacy …

Self appointed?

I thought she’d earned a masters from Nova and ZuD and a PhD from Delaware? Why do you hate universities offering advanced degrees?

She doesn’t have a PhD.

[kalm]

Self appointed?

I thought she’d earned a masters from Nova and ZuD and a PhD from Delaware? Why do you hate universities offering advanced degrees?

She doesn’t have a PhD.

I apologize. Ed.d

[UNI88]

She may be (just your opinion based politics) but the highly educated and intellectuals, smart or not, are one of the first targets of authoritarian movements. Along with immigrants, gays, and trans.

See a trend here?

Yes I see the trend of you continually posting crap … you should be offended by this “lady” Jill Biden. I called her out a long time ago for orchestrating this scam

I thought you would’ve gotten it by now, but I’m gonna provide you with a clue - Maybe kalm "didn’t come here to follow anyone’s rules".

[Caribbean Hen]

Yes I see the trend of you continually posting crap … you should be offended by this “lady” Jill Biden. I called her out a long time ago for orchestrating this scam

I thought you would’ve gotten it by now, but I’m gonna provide you with a clue - Maybe kalm "didn’t come here to follow anyone’s rules".

Who said that

[UNI88]

I thought you would’ve gotten it by now, but I’m gonna provide you with a clue - Maybe kalm "didn’t come here to follow anyone’s rules".

Who said that

Some jagoff who's ''continually posting crap"

[kalm]

Yes I see the trend of you continually posting crap … you should be offended by this “lady” Jill Biden. I called her out a long time ago for orchestrating this scam

I thought you would’ve gotten it by now, but I’m gonna provide you with a clue - Maybe kalm "didn’t come here to follow anyone’s rules".

Except Ursus.

Someone has to replace Division One Boy as Ursus’s bitch.

[Pwns]

If a Republican had a debate performance like that, he'd be flung into the sun. Too many high-profile democrats who either don't believe democracy is at stake or are just pussies.

[UNI88]

If a Republican had a debate performance like that, he'd be flung into the sun. Too many high-profile democrats who either don't believe democracy is at stake or are just pussies.

Maybe in the traditional GOP but today's Republican Party is no longer the Grand Old Party. If trump had a debate performance like that, MAQA yahoos would blame the moderators and anyone else they could think of, anyone but trump.

[houndawg]

If a Republican had a debate performance like that, he'd be flung into the sun. Too many high-profile democrats who either don't believe democracy is at stake or are just pussies.

Maybe in the traditional GOP but today's Republican Party is no longer the Grand Old Party. If trump had a debate performance like that, MAQA yahoos would blame the moderators and anyone else they could think of, anyone but trump.

No, they would say it was the best debate, ratings like nobody ain't never done seen before...

[Caribbean Hen]

If a Republican had a debate performance like that, he'd be flung into the sun. Too many high-profile democrats who either don't believe democracy is at stake or are just pussies.

Well judging by the idiotic responses to your accurate statement

Facts mean nothing here but I’m sure you know that already…. Coming on here and trying to reason with these nutbags is like entering Nurse Ratchets realm …

[kalm]

If a Republican had a debate performance like that, he'd be flung into the sun. Too many high-profile democrats who either don't believe democracy is at stake or are just pussies.

Well judging by the idiotic responses to your accurate statement

Facts mean nothing here but I’m sure you know that already…. Coming on here and trying to reason with these nutbags is like entering Nurse Ratchets realm …

I have boat sinking battery, a shark, blood cleansing bleach, and hurricane path altering nuke to sell ya.

[UNI88]

If a Republican had a debate performance like that, he'd be flung into the sun. Too many high-profile democrats who either don't believe democracy is at stake or are just pussies.

Well judging by the idiotic responses to your accurate statement

Facts mean nothing here but I’m sure you know that already…. Coming on here and trying to reason with these nutbags is like entering Nurse Ratchets realm …

There has only been one idiotic response. Guess who’s?

[Caribbean Hen]

Well judging by the idiotic responses to your accurate statement

Facts mean nothing here but I’m sure you know that already…. Coming on here and trying to reason with these nutbags is like entering Nurse Ratchets realm …

There has only been one idiotic response. Guess who’s?

Tatoo You ‘re it

[GannonFan]

Interesting development today with Biden's published letter to Democrats in Congress. Basically going scorched earth at this point, says any outcome that doesn't have him as the nominee is undemocratic. Certainly going to make it harder to toss him aside since he's showing no signs of wanting to leave. Interesting to do this in a letter - the taped interview on ABC last Friday night didn't help his case. Doing it in letter form means you don't see the old person supposedly behind the letter. I don't know what the Democrats do if they can't get him to step aside, and if he can't be convinced I don't know how they could get him off the ticket. He's making it more and more likely he'll be on the ticket in November no matter what Democratic leadership wants. As he says in the letter, they're 42 days away from the convention and 119 days away from the election - how many letters can he write in that span versus speaking live?

[kalm]

Interesting development today with Biden's published letter to Democrats in Congress. Basically going scorched earth at this point, says any outcome that doesn't have him as the nominee is undemocratic. Certainly going to make it harder to toss him aside since he's showing no signs of wanting to leave. Interesting to do this in a letter - the taped interview on ABC last Friday night didn't help his case. Doing it in letter form means you don't see the old person supposedly behind the letter. I don't know what the Democrats do if they can't get him to step aside, and if he can't be convinced I don't know how they could get him off the ticket. He's making it more and more likely he'll be on the ticket in November no matter what Democratic leadership wants. As he says in the letter, they're 42 days away from the convention and 119 days away from the election - how many letters can he write in that span versus speaking live?

The issue for Dems is far less his ability to make decisions (he has all the help he needs) and more about his electability.

It seems like Jill and his closest advisors are in the way.

Someone is going to have to tell him. And I think they will.

[houndawg]

Interesting development today with Biden's published letter to Democrats in Congress. Basically going scorched earth at this point, says any outcome that doesn't have him as the nominee is undemocratic. Certainly going to make it harder to toss him aside since he's showing no signs of wanting to leave. Interesting to do this in a letter - the taped interview on ABC last Friday night didn't help his case. Doing it in letter form means you don't see the old person supposedly behind the letter. I don't know what the Democrats do if they can't get him to step aside, and if he can't be convinced I don't know how they could get him off the ticket. He's making it more and more likely he'll be on the ticket in November no matter what Democratic leadership wants. As he says in the letter, they're 42 days away from the convention and 119 days away from the election - how many letters can he write in that span versus speaking live?

Tell him "pass the torch or risk getting 25thd.."

[GannonFan]

Interesting development today with Biden's published letter to Democrats in Congress. Basically going scorched earth at this point, says any outcome that doesn't have him as the nominee is undemocratic. Certainly going to make it harder to toss him aside since he's showing no signs of wanting to leave. Interesting to do this in a letter - the taped interview on ABC last Friday night didn't help his case. Doing it in letter form means you don't see the old person supposedly behind the letter. I don't know what the Democrats do if they can't get him to step aside, and if he can't be convinced I don't know how they could get him off the ticket. He's making it more and more likely he'll be on the ticket in November no matter what Democratic leadership wants. As he says in the letter, they're 42 days away from the convention and 119 days away from the election - how many letters can he write in that span versus speaking live?

The issue for Dems is far less his ability to make decisions (he has all the help he needs) and more about his electability.

It seems like Jill and his closest advisors are in the way.

Someone is going to have to tell him. And I think they will.

Well, as for making decisions, I would argue that's an important thing. We have a President for a reason - we're not electing an unknown group of advisors to run things. There does need to be someone who has the final say on things like policy and issues and who also interacts with and negotiates with other heads of state. Sure, there are always committees and advisors behind that, but the person we elect is the person we want to be there making the tie-breaking decisions on what we do as a country.

And that does lead into the electability - Biden's becoming less and less electable because if he's not the one making the decisions why even have him there in the first place? If he can't even functionally do the job, then why have him at all? The Dems can make the case that at least the White House would stay in Democratic control, and the benefits that come along with that, but the Presidency, at least in modern times (although I'd argue it has been for almost all the time) has been about the person running for the office. If the person isn't electable, then it doesn't matter what party they represent. It's odd, because Trump, as a person, is completely unelectable to a wide swath of the country, but clearly there is also a wide swath of the country that does like him. If Biden continues, as it seems he, or his closest advisors are saying, then he risks a November blowout because his own base of support is split on whether he should even run.

I don't know, I would've thought after the disastrous debate, after the unreassuring interview on Friday, and after a terrible weekend of people calling for him to stepdown that he would step down early this week. But that letter that just came out is like a shot across a bow by the power brokers that control Biden - they don't appear to be in any hurry to leave and they're not going to let him step out of the race anytime soon.

[Caribbean Hen]

Evil Jill is the only one he would listen too

Problem is she’s evil

Who in their right mind would run this idiot out there for another four years?

And this behind the scenes group of decision makers has been running the Biden administration since day one, that’s why he’s always saying things that they have to correct …

Joey Rotten has become everyone’s nightmare

[Pwns]

Interesting development today with Biden's published letter to Democrats in Congress. Basically going scorched earth at this point, says any outcome that doesn't have him as the nominee is undemocratic.

Laughable. Some of the primaries have been cancelled, and a lot of people who have been threatened with black-balling if they help any of Biden's challengers in the primary.

[GannonFan]

Interesting development today with Biden's published letter to Democrats in Congress. Basically going scorched earth at this point, says any outcome that doesn't have him as the nominee is undemocratic. Certainly going to make it harder to toss him aside since he's showing no signs of wanting to leave. Interesting to do this in a letter - the taped interview on ABC last Friday night didn't help his case. Doing it in letter form means you don't see the old person supposedly behind the letter. I don't know what the Democrats do if they can't get him to step aside, and if he can't be convinced I don't know how they could get him off the ticket. He's making it more and more likely he'll be on the ticket in November no matter what Democratic leadership wants. As he says in the letter, they're 42 days away from the convention and 119 days away from the election - how many letters can he write in that span versus speaking live?

Tell him "pass the torch or risk getting 25thd.."

I'm not sure the Dems would have the votes to 25th him at this point. If he resists, ultimately it would need a 2/3 vote of each House of Congress to remove him - absent that, he remains the President. Republicans have rarely, especially recently, shown themselves to be able to rise above political gain, so if the Dems are trying to oust an addled-Biden I don't think you could count on the GOP to assist. Because of that, I don't think you're going to see the Dems pursue the 25th against a resistant Biden - a failed 25th process that still has Biden in the White House would cement his loss in the coming election.

Unless Joe agrees to step aside, I don't see the option Dems have to run anyone else.

[kalm]

The issue for Dems is far less his ability to make decisions (he has all the help he needs) and more about his electability.

It seems like Jill and his closest advisors are in the way.

Someone is going to have to tell him. And I think they will.

Well, as for making decisions, I would argue that's an important thing. We have a President for a reason - we're not electing an unknown group of advisors to run things. There does need to be someone who has the final say on things like policy and issues and who also interacts with and negotiates with other heads of state. Sure, there are always committees and advisors behind that, but the person we elect is the person we want to be there making the tie-breaking decisions on what we do as a country.

And that does lead into the electability - Biden's becoming less and less electable because if he's not the one making the decisions why even have him there in the first place? If he can't even functionally do the job, then why have him at all? The Dems can make the case that at least the White House would stay in Democratic control, and the benefits that come along with that, but the Presidency, at least in modern times (although I'd argue it has been for almost all the time) has been about the person running for the office. If the person isn't electable, then it doesn't matter what party they represent. It's odd, because Trump, as a person, is completely unelectable to a wide swath of the country, but clearly there is also a wide swath of the country that does like him. If Biden continues, as it seems he, or his closest advisors are saying, then he risks a November blowout because his own base of support is split on whether he should even run.

I don't know, I would've thought after the disastrous debate, after the unreassuring interview on Friday, and after a terrible weekend of people calling for him to stepdown that he would step down early this week. But that letter that just came out is like a shot across a bow by the power brokers that control Biden - they don't appear to be in any hurry to leave and they're not going to let him step out of the race anytime soon.

1) It’s not ideal but we’ve handled it before and probably to a much larger extent than the public knows.

2). Biden’s debate performance and other speaking gaffes are no guarantee that he can’t still make decisions or govern. I don’t know how you measure that other than impartial and verifiable cognitive testing. That’s on him and his administration to produce or convince the public otherwise. This is the corner he’s in now.

3). Let’s be honest, the guy he’s running against isn’t fit for office either.

It’s semi-decrepit old guy with a stutter and aphasia vs. megalomaniac malignant narcissist. Which one is more of a threat to harm the country?

[GannonFan]

Well, as for making decisions, I would argue that's an important thing. We have a President for a reason - we're not electing an unknown group of advisors to run things. There does need to be someone who has the final say on things like policy and issues and who also interacts with and negotiates with other heads of state. Sure, there are always committees and advisors behind that, but the person we elect is the person we want to be there making the tie-breaking decisions on what we do as a country.

And that does lead into the electability - Biden's becoming less and less electable because if he's not the one making the decisions why even have him there in the first place? If he can't even functionally do the job, then why have him at all? The Dems can make the case that at least the White House would stay in Democratic control, and the benefits that come along with that, but the Presidency, at least in modern times (although I'd argue it has been for almost all the time) has been about the person running for the office. If the person isn't electable, then it doesn't matter what party they represent. It's odd, because Trump, as a person, is completely unelectable to a wide swath of the country, but clearly there is also a wide swath of the country that does like him. If Biden continues, as it seems he, or his closest advisors are saying, then he risks a November blowout because his own base of support is split on whether he should even run.

I don't know, I would've thought after the disastrous debate, after the unreassuring interview on Friday, and after a terrible weekend of people calling for him to stepdown that he would step down early this week. But that letter that just came out is like a shot across a bow by the power brokers that control Biden - they don't appear to be in any hurry to leave and they're not going to let him step out of the race anytime soon.

1) It’s not ideal but we’ve handled it before and probably to a much larger extent than the public knows.

2). Biden’s debate performance and other speaking gaffes are no guarantee that he can’t still make decisions or govern. I don’t know how you measure that other than impartial and verifiable cognitive testing. That’s on him and his administration to produce or convince the public otherwise. This is the corner he’s in now.

3). Let’s be honest, the guy he’s running against isn’t fit for office either.

It’s semi-decrepit old guy with a stutter and aphasia vs. megalomaniac malignant narcissist. Which one is more of a threat to harm the country?

Luckily, I don't think either bad candidate can really harm the country. Trump was certainly restricted in his first term in office by the checks and balances of our federal system of government. It's not pretty at times, but it is really effective at limiting the chances of a power grabbing meglamaniac from succeeding in doing that, and it would again. The bright side has been, this is very likely the last time either of these guys runs for office - by 2028 we'll have a whole new slate of folks to choose from. One will be term limited out of running again and the other will be that much older.

As for the #1 answer above, I know it's happened, we've talked about it here (Wilson after the stroke, Roosevelt in the final weeks, Reagan in his last year). The differences here, and big ones, is that 1) we didn't know about those issues in real time and even those who knew were very limited - heck, Wilson's was just his wife and doctor and 2) none of those previous ones were known widely and publicly that they weren't fit to hold office and none of those previous were trying to run for another term of office in such a condition.

But it seems like the Dems might not have a choice - Biden would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to take him out of this race it seems. I don't see how the Dems can do that. The die may hav e been cast given Biden's stubbornness.