When does Biden drop out of the race?

[kalm]

One is verifiably worse with zero convictions.

So Trump is your guy

Neither are my guy but I don’t vote for semi-literate failed businessman who are into sexual assault, Russian oligarchs, and neo-fascism.

[houndawg]

I would suggest Harris/Whitmer under the banner "Now Who's Too Old?"

An all-female ticket would send the incels over the edge, and boost female turnout.

Although they could put roadkill on the ticket and I'd vote for it if it were running against trump

If they keep biden on the ticket you will be.

....sign of the times as we move toward imposing minority rule

[houndawg]

[BDKJMU]

1) It’s not ideal but we’ve handled it before and probably to a much larger extent than the public knows.

2). Biden’s debate performance and other speaking gaffes are no guarantee that he can’t still make decisions or govern. I don’t know how you measure that other than impartial and verifiable cognitive testing. That’s on him and his administration to produce or convince the public otherwise. This is the corner he’s in now.

3). Let’s be honest, the guy he’s running against isn’t fit for office either.

It’s semi-decrepit old guy with a stutter and aphasia vs. megalomaniac malignant narcissist. Which one is more of a threat to harm the country?

Luckily, I don't think either bad candidate can really harm the country. Trump was certainly restricted in his first term in office by the checks and balances of our federal system of government. It's not pretty at times, but it is really effective at limiting the chances of a power grabbing meglamaniac from succeeding in doing that, and it would again. The bright side has been, this is very likely the last time either of these guys runs for office - by 2028 we'll have a whole new slate of folks to choose from. One will be term limited out of running again and the other will be that much older.

As for the #1 answer above, I know it's happened, we've talked about it here (Wilson after the stroke, Roosevelt in the final weeks, Reagan in his last year). The differences here, and big ones, is that 1) we didn't know about those issues in real time and even those who knew were very limited - heck, Wilson's was just his wife and doctor and 2) none of those previous ones were known widely and publicly that they weren't fit to hold office and none of those previous were trying to run for another term of office in such a condition.

But it seems like the Dems might not have a choice - Biden would have to be dragged kicking and screaming to take him out of this race it seems. I don't see how the Dems can do that. The die may hav e been cast given Biden's stubbornness.

4 years of open borders with 8 million illlegals mas or menos has harmed the country. And another 4 years of that would cause further harm..

[BDKJMU]

[kalm]

It’s possible. I play golf every week with a friend in his 80’s who has it. But then again several things can cause these symptoms including simply old age.

[Caribbean Hen]

So Trump is your guy

Neither are my guy but I don’t vote for semi-literate failed businessman who are into sexual assault, Russian oligarchs, and neo-fascism.

Of course you won’t

But you’ll be voting for open borders where Jobozo Vergüenza won’t even call a grieving mother after her teenage daughter was raped and killed, wars where your leader is to incapacitated to even speak with other world leaders, never mentions the progressive self induced urban blue crime, enables the population with bad messaging like.. ill pay off your loan, a military in free fall in a time where global tensions are rising so much faster than the ocean, doesn’t even understand what his inflation is doing to lower middle class families….the list is long and lying Joey Rotten is like the global substitute teacher… no leadership at all just look at his pathetic drug addict family with pockets lined with cash thanks to “The Big Guy” … maybe it was his abused daughter that coined Daddy with that nik name after the showers were over

Now tell me your not voting for Biden and I’ll tell you you’re wasting a vote

[kalm]

Neither are my guy but I don’t vote for semi-literate failed businessman who are into sexual assault, Russian oligarchs, and neo-fascism.

Of course you won’t

But you’ll be voting for open borders where Jobozo Vergüenza won’t even call a grieving mother after her teenage daughter was raped and killed, wars where your leader is to incapacitated to even speak with other world leaders, never mentions the progressive self induced urban blue crime, enables the population with bad messaging like.. ill pay off your loan, a military in free fall in a time where global tensions are rising so much faster than the ocean, doesn’t even understand what his inflation is doing to lower middle class families….the list is long and lying Joey Rotten is like the global substitute teacher… no leadership at all just look at his pathetic drug addict family with pockets lined with cash thanks to “The Big Guy” … maybe it was his abused daughter that coined Daddy with that nik name after the showers were over

Now tell me your not voting for Biden and I’ll tell you you’re wasting a vote

So if I vote for Biden I’m NOT wasting a vote? I agree!

[kalm]

When does Trump drop out of the race?

[kalm]

Neither are my guy but I don’t vote for semi-literate failed businessman who are into sexual assault, Russian oligarchs, and neo-fascism.

Of course you won’t

But you’ll be voting for open borders where Jobozo Vergüenza won’t even call a grieving mother after her teenage daughter was raped and killed, wars where your leader is to incapacitated to even speak with other world leaders, never mentions the progressive self induced urban blue crime, enables the population with bad messaging like.. ill pay off your loan, a military in free fall in a time where global tensions are rising so much faster than the ocean, doesn’t even understand what his inflation is doing to lower middle class families….the list is long and lying Joey Rotten is like the global substitute teacher… no leadership at all just look at his pathetic drug addict family with pockets lined with cash thanks to “The Big Guy” … maybe it was his abused daughter that coined Daddy with that nik name after the showers were over

Now tell me your not voting for Biden and I’ll tell you you’re wasting a vote

Btw, I’ve ignored the sexual abuse allegations of Ashley Biden. But I didn’t realize it was that highly reliable source Project Veritas who broke the story.

Nailed it!

[Caribbean Hen]

Of course you won’t

But you’ll be voting for open borders where Jobozo Vergüenza won’t even call a grieving mother after her teenage daughter was raped and killed, wars where your leader is to incapacitated to even speak with other world leaders, never mentions the progressive self induced urban blue crime, enables the population with bad messaging like.. ill pay off your loan, a military in free fall in a time where global tensions are rising so much faster than the ocean, doesn’t even understand what his inflation is doing to lower middle class families….the list is long and lying Joey Rotten is like the global substitute teacher… no leadership at all just look at his pathetic drug addict family with pockets lined with cash thanks to “The Big Guy” … maybe it was his abused daughter that coined Daddy with that nik name after the showers were over

Now tell me your not voting for Biden and I’ll tell you you’re wasting a vote

Btw, I’ve ignored the sexual abuse allegations of Ashley Biden. But I didn’t realize it was that highly reliable source Project Veritas who broke the story.

Nailed it!

That’s what Pedo Joe said

[kalm]

Btw, I’ve ignored the sexual abuse allegations of Ashley Biden. But I didn’t realize it was that highly reliable source Project Veritas who broke the story.

Nailed it!

That’s what Pedo Joe said

Said what you goofball? That he raped her?

Edit: I see what you did there.

[GannonFan]

You know, I thought Joe had settled a lot of this with his fiery letter on Monday, and through yesterday there wasn't a lot of indication that he wouldn't be the nominee. But now this morning you have Pelosi, herself no stranger to being too old, give a lukewarm endorsement, another Dem Senator (Bennett) saying he can't win, another Dem Congressman (Torres), this one from the Black Caucus, saying that running Biden is a "suicide mission", you have George Stephanopolous telling a passerby on the street of all people that Biden physically can't serve another 4 years, and now of all people George Clooney wrote an op-ed that Joe should step aside. When you're losing the Hollywood elite like Clooney, as well as some from the Black Caucus, you have to rethink this. Heck, Clooney was particularly unenthusiastic, he said the Joe we saw in the debate is the same Joe he saw a month ago and is a shadow of the person elected in 2020. That's harsh coming from a source like that.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

[kalm]

You know, I thought Joe had settled a lot of this with his fiery letter on Monday, and through yesterday there wasn't a lot of indication that he wouldn't be the nominee. But now this morning you have Pelosi, herself no stranger to being too old, give a lukewarm endorsement, another Dem Senator (Bennett) saying he can't win, another Dem Congressman (Torres), this one from the Black Caucus, saying that running Biden is a "suicide mission", you have George Stephanopolous telling a passerby on the street of all people that Biden physically can't serve another 4 years, and now of all people George Clooney wrote an op-ed that Joe should step aside. When you're losing the Hollywood elite like Clooney, as well as some from the Black Caucus, you have to rethink this. Heck, Clooney was particularly unenthusiastic, he said the Joe we saw in the debate is the same Joe he saw a month ago and is a shadow of the person elected in 2020. That's harsh coming from a source like that.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

He needs to go.

In retrospect it makes even more sense that the DNC bypassed a meaningful primary contest. States like Florida didn’t even have one.

They knew the dangers of him being tested on stage.

[kalm]

Holy free association Batman! Segue?

But seriously…When does Biden drop out of the race?

[Caribbean Hen]

Holy free association Batman! Segue?

But seriously…When does Biden drop out of the race?

Trump hams it up at those rallies

If you have questions about Trumps mental capacities check out his recent interview with Dr Phil

[kalm]

Holy free association Batman! Segue?

But seriously…When does Biden drop out of the race?

Trump hams it up at those rallies

If you have questions about Trumps mental capacities check out his recent interview with Dr Phil

I caught a bit of that.

[GannonFan]

Holy free association Batman! Segue?

But seriously…When does Biden drop out of the race?

I make it a point to listen to as little as possible from Trump as I can - no sense wasting my life having to listen to that drivel and in reality he's just as worthless as he's ever been. But I don't think that's changed, not like the Biden deterioration has. Trump's pretty much exactly who he was 4 years ago and even 8 years ago. None of that is good, mind you, but I don't see a difference.

[GannonFan]

You know, I thought Joe had settled a lot of this with his fiery letter on Monday, and through yesterday there wasn't a lot of indication that he wouldn't be the nominee. But now this morning you have Pelosi, herself no stranger to being too old, give a lukewarm endorsement, another Dem Senator (Bennett) saying he can't win, another Dem Congressman (Torres), this one from the Black Caucus, saying that running Biden is a "suicide mission", you have George Stephanopolous telling a passerby on the street of all people that Biden physically can't serve another 4 years, and now of all people George Clooney wrote an op-ed that Joe should step aside. When you're losing the Hollywood elite like Clooney, as well as some from the Black Caucus, you have to rethink this. Heck, Clooney was particularly unenthusiastic, he said the Joe we saw in the debate is the same Joe he saw a month ago and is a shadow of the person elected in 2020. That's harsh coming from a source like that.

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/ ... index.html

He needs to go.

In retrospect it makes even more sense that the DNC bypassed a meaningful primary contest. States like Florida didn’t even have one.

They knew the dangers of him being tested on stage.

I don't understand why they dithered like they did, now almost to the point that it's too late. When Biden was elected in 2020, all the talk leading up to that was that he would be transitional and that he was just bridging the gap to the next generation of candidates. Even back in 2020, when he ran a campaign from his basement, the sentiment was always that he was there to stop Trump from having a second term and to be a one-term President. And then, not too long after that, and for whatever reason, it start to be more and more of a thing that he would run again. As Clooney said, this hasn't been a sudden thing, he's been deteriorating for awhile now. There was ample opportunity to organize a proper succession and get ready for 2024.

For some reason it felt like they (i.e. whoever is controlling Biden these days) liked being in control, liked the trappings of the office, and didn't want to leave after 4 years. We have a bad habit of just looking ahead to the next election as soon as the last one's over, and it felt like we did that here. Biden beat Trump in 2020, so let's do everything we can to set that up again. Things were delayed, investigations were strung out. The Dems seemed to want to do everything possible to make sure Trump was the opponent and made sure to goad him on as much as possible. And the idea was that it would just be Biden and Trump again and people would just reflexively do as they did in 2020. Problem is, Joe got really old and eventually, no matter the cover-up of it, people would notice. Well, they've certainly noticed now.

They should've let everyone know by the end of 2021 that Biden wasn't running and had a full open nominating process. They should've charged Trump with the Jan 6th stuff somewhere in the year after that happened so that the dust would be settled from that now. Maybe the GOP would have a different contender as Trump would've been out of flavor and seen as a deranged ex-President rather than a martyr as I'm sure he is to many in the GOP. So many ways we could've gone down a different path rather than the one that led us here.

[kalm]

He needs to go.

In retrospect it makes even more sense that the DNC bypassed a meaningful primary contest. States like Florida didn’t even have one.

They knew the dangers of him being tested on stage.

I don't understand why they dithered like they did, now almost to the point that it's too late. When Biden was elected in 2020, all the talk leading up to that was that he would be transitional and that he was just bridging the gap to the next generation of candidates. Even back in 2020, when he ran a campaign from his basement, the sentiment was always that he was there to stop Trump from having a second term and to be a one-term President. And then, not too long after that, and for whatever reason, it start to be more and more of a thing that he would run again. As Clooney said, this hasn't been a sudden thing, he's been deteriorating for awhile now. There was ample opportunity to organize a proper succession and get ready for 2024.

For some reason it felt like they (i.e. whoever is controlling Biden these days) liked being in control, liked the trappings of the office, and didn't want to leave after 4 years. We have a bad habit of just looking ahead to the next election as soon as the last one's over, and it felt like we did that here. Biden beat Trump in 2020, so let's do everything we can to set that up again. Things were delayed, investigations were strung out. The Dems seemed to want to do everything possible to make sure Trump was the opponent and made sure to goad him on as much as possible. And the idea was that it would just be Biden and Trump again and people would just reflexively do as they did in 2020. Problem is, Joe got really old and eventually, no matter the cover-up of it, people would notice. Well, they've certainly noticed now.

They should've let everyone know by the end of 2021 that Biden wasn't running and had a full open nominating process. They should've charged Trump with the Jan 6th stuff somewhere in the year after that happened so that the dust would be settled from that now. Maybe the GOP would have a different contender as Trump would've been out of flavor and seen as a deranged ex-President rather than a martyr as I'm sure he is to many in the GOP. So many ways we could've gone down a different path rather than the one that led us here.

Extremely well said. But it’s an obvious ruse now. The public polling (both the horserace and the favorabilities) show what the public thinks regardless of what the establishment says. I don’t think it’s too late.

[GannonFan]

I don't understand why they dithered like they did, now almost to the point that it's too late. When Biden was elected in 2020, all the talk leading up to that was that he would be transitional and that he was just bridging the gap to the next generation of candidates. Even back in 2020, when he ran a campaign from his basement, the sentiment was always that he was there to stop Trump from having a second term and to be a one-term President. And then, not too long after that, and for whatever reason, it start to be more and more of a thing that he would run again. As Clooney said, this hasn't been a sudden thing, he's been deteriorating for awhile now. There was ample opportunity to organize a proper succession and get ready for 2024.

For some reason it felt like they (i.e. whoever is controlling Biden these days) liked being in control, liked the trappings of the office, and didn't want to leave after 4 years. We have a bad habit of just looking ahead to the next election as soon as the last one's over, and it felt like we did that here. Biden beat Trump in 2020, so let's do everything we can to set that up again. Things were delayed, investigations were strung out. The Dems seemed to want to do everything possible to make sure Trump was the opponent and made sure to goad him on as much as possible. And the idea was that it would just be Biden and Trump again and people would just reflexively do as they did in 2020. Problem is, Joe got really old and eventually, no matter the cover-up of it, people would notice. Well, they've certainly noticed now.

They should've let everyone know by the end of 2021 that Biden wasn't running and had a full open nominating process. They should've charged Trump with the Jan 6th stuff somewhere in the year after that happened so that the dust would be settled from that now. Maybe the GOP would have a different contender as Trump would've been out of flavor and seen as a deranged ex-President rather than a martyr as I'm sure he is to many in the GOP. So many ways we could've gone down a different path rather than the one that led us here.

Extremely well said. But it’s an obvious ruse now. The public polling (both the horserace and the favorabilities) show what the public thinks regardless of what the establishment says. I don’t think it’s too late.

I don't think it's too late either. Heck, I don't think Biden is going to beat Trump, and I'm sure a lot of other people think so too. If you're the Democratic Party, don't you want to win? No matter how old Trump is and no matter how much he stammers or flubs a line, it's always going to be overlooked because Biden is so much older (not just years but in appearance) and Biden's old-person issues are so much more prominent. Like I said, George Clooney, of all people, going so public with a plea for Biden to leave the race is a big deal. A big f'n deal.

Get Joe to leave and then figure out what comes next. There's no way they run anyone but Kamala Harris at this point so figure out how to make that happen and put her in every good light they can to sell her.

[UNI88]

Extremely well said. But it’s an obvious ruse now. The public polling (both the horserace and the favorabilities) show what the public thinks regardless of what the establishment says. I don’t think it’s too late.

I don't think it's too late either. Heck, I don't think Biden is going to beat Trump, and I'm sure a lot of other people think so too. If you're the Democratic Party, don't you want to win? No matter how old Trump is and no matter how much he stammers or flubs a line, it's always going to be overlooked because Biden is so much older (not just years but in appearance) and Biden's old-person issues are so much more prominent. Like I said, George Clooney, of all people, going so public with a plea for Biden to leave the race is a big deal. A big f'n deal.

Get Joe to leave and then figure out what comes next. There's no way they run anyone but Kamala Harris at this point so figure out how to make that happen and put her in every good light they can to sell her.

And find a VP candidate who helps cover her weaknesses.

[UNI88]

The names being floated as Kamala Harris' running mate if Biden drops out

Govs. Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Andy Beshear of Kentucky, and Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania are emerging as candidates, the people close to the Biden-Harris campaign said.

Cooper looks like the favorite right now. A Southern moderate, he has worked alongside North Carolina's Republican-led Legislature since winning a tough battle for the governorship in 2016. Before serving as governor, Cooper was the state's attorney general for nearly 16 years. He met Harris during that time, when she was the attorney general in California. Some Democrats think that North Carolina is up for grabs in November and that Cooper could help flip the state.

As the governor of Kentucky, Beshear doesn't offer the same opportunity to turn a red state blue. He did, however, attract some attention after winning another term in deep-red Kentucky last year. Beshear also served as attorney general before his governorship, giving him an additional point of connection to Harris.

Shapiro has something that the White House sorely lacks at the moment: good polling numbers. A poll from January found he had a higher approval rating than other recent Pennsylvania governors, with 59% approving of his performance. Pennsylvania is a key swing state, and Beshear's popularity there could help tip the scales in Democrats' favor.

[GannonFan]

The names being floated as Kamala Harris' running mate if Biden drops out

Govs. Roy Cooper of North Carolina, Andy Beshear of Kentucky, and Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania are emerging as candidates, the people close to the Biden-Harris campaign said.

Cooper looks like the favorite right now. A Southern moderate, he has worked alongside North Carolina's Republican-led Legislature since winning a tough battle for the governorship in 2016. Before serving as governor, Cooper was the state's attorney general for nearly 16 years. He met Harris during that time, when she was the attorney general in California. Some Democrats think that North Carolina is up for grabs in November and that Cooper could help flip the state.

As the governor of Kentucky, Beshear doesn't offer the same opportunity to turn a red state blue. He did, however, attract some attention after winning another term in deep-red Kentucky last year. Beshear also served as attorney general before his governorship, giving him an additional point of connection to Harris.

Shapiro has something that the White House sorely lacks at the moment: good polling numbers. A poll from January found he had a higher approval rating than other recent Pennsylvania governors, with 59% approving of his performance. Pennsylvania is a key swing state, and Beshear's popularity there could help tip the scales in Democrats' favor.

I don't know a lot about Cooper, but from what I see he's a pretty decent candidate. Any he could be a boon in North Carolina. Beshear is really young, which could cut both ways. Both of them are in the second gubernatorial runs where Shapiro only got elected recently. Shapiro is pretty well respected in PA, but still a little green. I think he's a great '28 candidate if we end up with a Biden/Trump fiasco this fall, or if Harris loses to Trump.

Btw, even Michael Douglas is coming out that Biden's too old. Never would've thought that it would be the Hollywood segment of the party that would be the thing that pushed Biden out of the race finally.

[UNI88]

The names being floated as Kamala Harris' running mate if Biden drops out

I don't know a lot about Cooper, but from what I see he's a pretty decent candidate. Any he could be a boon in North Carolina. Beshear is really young, which could cut both ways. Both of them are in the second gubernatorial runs where Shapiro only got elected recently. Shapiro is pretty well respected in PA, but still a little green. I think he's a great '28 candidate if we end up with a Biden/Trump fiasco this fall, or if Harris loses to Trump.

Btw, even Michael Douglas is coming out that Biden's too old. Never would've thought that it would be the Hollywood segment of the party that would be the thing that pushed Biden out of the race finally.

How much will being a little green hurt Shapiro? Will how much he (or anyone else) could help in a key state(s) override experience and readiness?