The War on Free Speech

[Bobcat]

You cant have that view.

Trump wanted to ban Tik Tok so you cant support that and hate Trump at the same time

[SeattleGriz]

Amazing how many Palestinian supporters here don't realize why Telegram was targeted. It's because of the Israeli atrocities are shown. Can't put that stuff on Facebook or YouTube. Plenty of US platform peddle child porn and you don't see anything happening to them.

It's also why you keep hearing about Tik Tok and the Chinese. Same thing. Tik Tok can't be controlled by the West and they can't stand it.

COVID censorship and the threat of loss of employment should have opened your eyes.

I don't think it's just about the West not being able to control Tik Tok. It's a Chinese company which makes it and it's executives vulnerable to CCP demands. The possibility of the CCP being able to access user data and/or influence algorithms are legitimate concerns.

The West's control over Facebook, YouTube or other social media is a nothing compared to what the CCP can exert over Tik Tok.

Please expand on the bolded because I just am not seeing how what you said is any different than we are seeing with Facebook, Instagram and YouTube accessing user data and manipulating algorithms.

Especially as the app is owned by TikTok LLC, a limited liability company incorporated in Delaware and based in Culver City, California. They are subject to the same scrutiny as American owned companies.

[UNI88]

After you point out where I said doneOLD colluded with russia to win the election.

There is plenty of proof that russia regularly interferes in US and other elections. You can start with RT. Were Tim Pool, Dave Rubin and Benny Johnson, etc. victims or willing accomplices knowingly accepting rubles?

Are you going to argue that doneOLD's campaign had no ties to russia or putin?

I'm on record as saying the first impeachment shouldn't have happened.

The fact that you said Russia interferes and Trump has relations, or is that the summation of your impactful assessment?

There is plenty of evidence that russia interferes in our elections and there are/were plenty of connections between people in doneOLD's 2016 campaign and russia.

Maybe there wasn't enough evidence to prove collusion or maybe the communication they had didn't rise to the level of collusion. I don't know and it was foolish to pursue impeachment based on what they found.

[UNI88]

You cant have that view.

Trump wanted to ban Tik Tok so you cant support that and hate Trump at the same time

Yes I can because I'm not a partisan hack who blindly believes everything good about those I support and bad about those I oppose. You should try it sometime.

[UNI88]

I don't think it's just about the West not being able to control Tik Tok. It's a Chinese company which makes it and it's executives vulnerable to CCP demands. The possibility of the CCP being able to access user data and/or influence algorithms are legitimate concerns.

The West's control over Facebook, YouTube or other social media is a nothing compared to what the CCP can exert over Tik Tok.

Please expand on the bolded because I just am not seeing how what you said is any different than we are seeing with Facebook, Instagram and YouTube accessing user data and manipulating algorithms.

Especially as the app is owned by TikTok LLC, a limited liability company incorporated in Delaware and based in Culver City, California. They are subject to the same scrutiny as American owned companies.

TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, was founded by Chinese entrepreneurs. ByteDance is a Chinese company headquartered in Beijing and incorporated in the Cayman Islands.

The scrutiny/influence the US or other western nations can exert on a social media company is much less than what the CCP can do. Just ask Jack Ma, Bao Fan, Guo Guangchang, Xiao Jianhua, and Ren Zhiqiang. Will executives be willing to risk their freedom and possibly their lives to resist if the CCP really wants access to sensitive TikTok user data or to influence what users see?

The CCP plays by a different set of rules than the US and other western nations.

[UNI88]

[Bobcat]

You cant have that view.

Trump wanted to ban Tik Tok so you cant support that and hate Trump at the same time

Yes I can because I'm not a partisan hack who blindly believes everything good about those I support and bad about those I oppose. You should try it sometime.

I am not a Trump guy

We are not the same

[UNI88]

Yes I can because I'm not a partisan hack who blindly believes everything good about those I support and bad about those I oppose. You should try it sometime.

I am not a Trump guy

We are not the same

And we disagree on so much because I am a trump guy.

[Bobcat]

I know

[UNI88]

Donald Trump Says He’ll Ask Rupert Murdoch to Direct Fox News to Halt Negative Ads Against Him

During a lengthy appearance on Fox & Friends on Friday morning, former President Donald Trump blurted out that he is “the most stable human being” and doubled down on his gripe that the network is not exclusively bolstering his re-election campaign and allowing ads supporting Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential bid to air on the network. He later outlined how he would take his complaint directly to network founder Rupert Murdoch to ask that all negative ads cease for 21 days.

[SeattleGriz]

Please expand on the bolded because I just am not seeing how what you said is any different than we are seeing with Facebook, Instagram and YouTube accessing user data and manipulating algorithms.

Especially as the app is owned by TikTok LLC, a limited liability company incorporated in Delaware and based in Culver City, California. They are subject to the same scrutiny as American owned companies.

TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, was founded by Chinese entrepreneurs. ByteDance is a Chinese company headquartered in Beijing and incorporated in the Cayman Islands.

The scrutiny/influence the US or other western nations can exert on a social media company is much less than what the CCP can do. Just ask Jack Ma, Bao Fan, Guo Guangchang, Xiao Jianhua, and Ren Zhiqiang. Will executives be willing to risk their freedom and possibly their lives to resist if the CCP really wants access to sensitive TikTok user data or to influence what users see?

The CCP plays by a different set of rules than the US and other western nations.

So? The app is vetted by the Google Play Store and the Apple Store for downloading and they have a US office exactly for that reason. It's not connected to China.

How is China censoring videos from Gaza that show Israel is being very brutal to civilians? That's the point as to why the US wants to ban Tik Tok and Telegram...they cannot control the content. You'd think with how bad the US was with social media during Covid, you'd realize the US "powers that be" do whatever they want. Zuck and Dorsey admitted they were pressured to censor, and that was done to numerous experts in the field of Epidemiology/Microbiology/Virology.

[UNI88]

TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, was founded by Chinese entrepreneurs. ByteDance is a Chinese company headquartered in Beijing and incorporated in the Cayman Islands.

The scrutiny/influence the US or other western nations can exert on a social media company is much less than what the CCP can do. Just ask Jack Ma, Bao Fan, Guo Guangchang, Xiao Jianhua, and Ren Zhiqiang. Will executives be willing to risk their freedom and possibly their lives to resist if the CCP really wants access to sensitive TikTok user data or to influence what users see?

The CCP plays by a different set of rules than the US and other western nations.

So? The app is vetted by the Google Play Store and the Apple Store for downloading and they have a US office exactly for that reason. It's not connected to China.

How is China censoring videos from Gaza that show Israel is being very brutal to civilians? That's the point as to why the US wants to ban Tik Tok and Telegram...they cannot control the content. You'd think with how bad the US was with social media during Covid, you'd realize the US "powers that be" do whatever they want. Zuck and Dorsey admitted they were pressured to censor, and that was done to numerous experts in the field of Epidemiology/Microbiology/Virology.

You might believe that the CCP can't access Tik Tok data or influence its algorithms if it wants to but I don't.

The US government pressuring social media companies to repress facts and opinions is bad but pales in comparison to what the CCP has done. Have zuckerberg, musk, etc. ever been disappeared like Rèn Zhìqiáng or Xiao Jianhua?

[SeattleGriz]

So? The app is vetted by the Google Play Store and the Apple Store for downloading and they have a US office exactly for that reason. It's not connected to China.

How is China censoring videos from Gaza that show Israel is being very brutal to civilians? That's the point as to why the US wants to ban Tik Tok and Telegram...they cannot control the content. You'd think with how bad the US was with social media during Covid, you'd realize the US "powers that be" do whatever they want. Zuck and Dorsey admitted they were pressured to censor, and that was done to numerous experts in the field of Epidemiology/Microbiology/Virology.

You might believe that the CCP can't access Tik Tok data or influence its algorithms if it wants to but I don't.

The US government pressuring social media companies to repress facts and opinions is bad but pales in comparison to what the CCP has done. Have zuckerberg, musk, etc. ever been disappeared like Rèn Zhìqiáng or Xiao Jianhua?

Bro. Stop obsessing over your point you can't prove and has no bearing on my original comment.

The point is the US cannot control content on either Tik Tok or Telegram and they don't like it.

You and your sweeping generalizations you can't even quantify. Jesus.

[UNI88]

You might believe that the CCP can't access Tik Tok data or influence its algorithms if it wants to but I don't.

The US government pressuring social media companies to repress facts and opinions is bad but pales in comparison to what the CCP has done. Have zuckerberg, musk, etc. ever been disappeared like Rèn Zhìqiáng or Xiao Jianhua?

Bro. Stop obsessing over your point you can't prove and has no bearing on my original comment.

The point is the US cannot control content on either Tik Tok or Telegram and they don't like it.

You and your sweeping generalizations you can't even quantify. Jesus.

Dufus, sure the US doesn't like not being able to control content on Tik Tok but only a simpleton believes thats the only reason to want to ban it. It poses a potential security risk. That's reality, not a sweeping generalization or whatever logical fallacy you want to tag it with. What's happened to other Chinese executives who've resisted the CCP should be proof enough to anyone with a functioning brainstem.

[SeattleGriz]

Bro. Stop obsessing over your point you can't prove and has no bearing on my original comment.

The point is the US cannot control content on either Tik Tok or Telegram and they don't like it.

You and your sweeping generalizations you can't even quantify. Jesus.

Dufus, sure the US doesn't like not being able to control content on Tik Tok but only a simpleton believes thats the only reason to want to ban it. It poses a potential security risk. That's reality, not a sweeping generalization or whatever logical fallacy you want to tag it with. What's happened to other Chinese executives who've resisted the CCP should be proof enough to anyone with a functioning brainstem.

Yes. What happened to those Chinese executives will surely happen in the US!

[UNI88]

Dufus, sure the US doesn't like not being able to control content on Tik Tok but only a simpleton believes thats the only reason to want to ban it. It poses a potential security risk. That's reality, not a sweeping generalization or whatever logical fallacy you want to tag it with. What's happened to other Chinese executives who've resisted the CCP should be proof enough to anyone with a functioning brainstem.

Yes. What happened to those Chinese executives will surely happen in the US!

Do you think those executives never travel to China or other countries where China might act covertly? That they don't have families in China that can be threatened for leverage?

More importantly, why are you so quick to think the worst of the US and our western allies but the best of russia, china and our potential opponents? How much is RT paying you to sell out your country?

[SeattleGriz]

Yes. What happened to those Chinese executives will surely happen in the US!

Do you think those executives never travel to China or other countries where China might act covertly? That they don't have families in China that can be threatened for leverage?

More importantly, why are you so quick to think the worst of the US and our western allies but the best of russia, china and our potential opponents? How much is RT paying you to sell out your country?

I'll say it slowly. Tik Tok being a Chinese app is no threat to American executives. Who in corporate America would post something so stupid on Tik Tok it'd get them "snatched up" when visiting China?

At least you didn't scream, "but Trump, REEE!" for once, so that's an improvement on your usual spaghetti on the wall tantrums.

[Bobcat]

He will, just wait 30 seconds

[UNI88]

Meltdown at the LA Times: Billionaire Owner Denies Presidential Endorsement, Top Editor Resigns

Terry,

Ever since Dr. Soon-Shiong vetoed the editorial board’s plan to endorse Kamala Harris for president, I have been struggling with my feelings about the implications of our silence.

I told myself that presidential endorsements don’t really matter; that California was not ever going to vote for Trump; that no one would even notice; that we had written so many “Trump is unfit” editorials that it was as if we had endorsed her.

But the reality hit me like cold water Tuesday when the news rippled out about the decision not to endorse without so much as a comment from the LAT management, and Donald Trump turned it into an anti-Harris rip.

Of course it matters that the largest newspaper in the state—and one of the largest in the nation still—declined to endorse in a race this important. And it matters that we won’t even be straight with people about it.

It makes us look craven and hypocritical, maybe even a bit sexist and racist. How could we spend eight years railing against Trump and the danger his leadership poses to the country and then fail to endorse the perfectly decent Democrat challenger—who we previously endorsed for the US Senate?

The non-endorsement undermines the integrity of the editorial board and every single endorsement we make, down to school board races. People will justifiably wonder if each endorsement was a decision made by a group of journalists after extensive research and discussion, or through decree by the owner.

Seven years ago, the editorial board wrote this in its series about Donald Trump “Our Dishonest President”: “Men and women of conscience can no longer withhold judgment. Trump’s erratic nature and his impulsive, demagogic style endanger us all.”

I still believe that’s true.

In these dangerous times, staying silent isn’t just indifference, it is complicity. I’m standing up by stepping down from the editorial board. Please accept this as my formal resignation, effective immediately.

Mariel

[Caribbean Hen]

Donald Trump Says He’ll Ask Rupert Murdoch to Direct Fox News to Halt Negative Ads Against Him

During a lengthy appearance on Fox & Friends on Friday morning, former President Donald Trump blurted out that he is “the most stable human being” and doubled down on his gripe that the network is not exclusively bolstering his re-election campaign and allowing ads supporting Vice President Kamala Harris’ presidential bid to air on the network. He later outlined how he would take his complaint directly to network founder Rupert Murdoch to ask that all negative ads cease for 21 days.

Trump got a lot of good things done his first term despite an unprecedented media bias against him. Of course, it was all ignored by the fourth estate. Did his personality contribute to that? Yes, but the hate and the sabotage against him was way over the top.

It takes two to tango, and if anything happens in this country or to him, the treasonous media is more responsible than Trump.

[Bobcat]

Exactly why when he gets reelected ne needs to go after the media with the DOJ like Biden did to him. He needs to replace everyone involved in media at every level especially at the top. They all need to be in prison

[GannonFan]

Exactly why when he gets reelected ne needs to go after the media with the DOJ like Biden did to him. He needs to replace everyone involved in media at every level especially at the top. They all need to be in prison

Yeah. You know he wouldn't have that power, correct? Even if the DOJ pursues lawsuits, which would be unlikely, they would take years to proceed, would likely fail, and Trump would be long-gone from the White House by then. And, even if any network heads were toppled, the government doesn't play any role in replacing them. You're playing make believe here.

[Caribbean Hen]

Exactly why when he gets reelected ne needs to go after the media with the DOJ like Biden did to him. He needs to replace everyone involved in media at every level especially at the top. They all need to be in prison

Even Anderson Cooper asked Scamala a good question, one that she seemed completely unprepared for even though she had all the questions in advance .... the media aka the 4th Estate is bailing on Scamala like rats from a sinking ship,,,, truly shocking how bad she is

[Bobcat]

Exactly why when he gets reelected ne needs to go after the media with the DOJ like Biden did to him. He needs to replace everyone involved in media at every level especially at the top. They all need to be in prison

Yeah. You know he wouldn't have that power, correct? Even if the DOJ pursues lawsuits, which would be unlikely, they would take years to proceed, would likely fail, and Trump would be long-gone from the White House by then. And, even if any network heads were toppled, the government doesn't play any role in replacing them. You're playing make believe here.

Trump would absolutely have that power to shut down CNN or anyone lese he wants to. He a dictating King remember he is Hitler and Hitler wouldn't stand for that shit either.

[houndawg]

Do you think those executives never travel to China or other countries where China might act covertly? That they don't have families in China that can be threatened for leverage?

More importantly, why are you so quick to think the worst of the US and our western allies but the best of russia, china and our potential opponents? How much is RT paying you to sell out your country?

I'll say it slowly. Tik Tok being a Chinese app is no threat to American executives. Who in corporate America would post something so stupid on Tik Tok it'd get them "snatched up" when visiting China?

At least you didn't scream, "but Trump, REEE!" for once, so that's an improvement on your usual spaghetti on the wall tantrums.

Why do you hate America, SGDingleberry?