Trump vs Harris

[kalm]

Kanye. JFC…get with the times. Even old timers like me and UNI know hip or fly.

(They still use hip and fly these days, right?)

They suck balls

Real musical talent transcends generations like the Beatles.

[BDKJMU]

Who is ‘ye’?

Kanye. JFC…get with the times. Even old timers like me and UNI know hip or fly.

(They still use hip and fly these days, right?)

Is he a rapper? Not a rap fan.
Don’t know what ‘fly’ is.

[Caribbean Hen]

They suck balls

Real musical talent transcends generations like the Beatles.

Ok

[SeattleGriz]

Grampa Badfinger calls the majority of Americans garbage.

[SDHornet]

96 pages in 3 months? Yeah I'm not reading all that shit. Someone give me the cliff notes...


I'll just say that the Dems and Harris have run an exceptionally tone deaf campaign...almost as if they didn't expect to even need to have a campaign...


FWIW polling shows Trump taking some leads in the swing states. Looks like the GOP finally figured out you have to vote early and often in the days leading up to actual election day to have a chance at a win. We'll see if it will be enough to beat the cheat in the days following election day. My money is still on the Dems finding a way to eek out a win with ballots appearing after election day again, hope I'm wrong.

[Caribbean Hen]

Grampa Badfinger calls the majority of Americans garbage.

He’s been doing it for almost 4 years now and one of the biggest reasons I call him Joey Rotten

[GannonFan]

Problem is with something like Gaza, there are so many complicit parties that it's hard to move on from that.

And I'm more skeptical about echo chambers and the like. This has been a problem since the mid-90's when newspapers went online and opened up comment sections after stories. It gave everyone with a voice a chance to shout out into the void, even if they had nothing of value to shout about. It's only ballooned since then. People don't seem to want true and honest debate - they want to be proven right and they want to prove a lot of other people wrong. Maybe it's different in the Palouse, but that's what I'm seeing in my neck of the woods.

Oh, and Hurst wasn't the originator - as long as there's been printed word there's been someone trying to skew it.

I know…he’s just well known for it and yellow journalism.

Regarding complexities…most of those we (all of us) tend to mostly use as excuses to defend a side.

EG: Gaza is complex with many disparate interests represented directly and indirectly. Their point still returns reductionism.

1). Has Israel clearly exacted its revenge and exceeded decency as a nation through the killing of 10’s of thousands of innocent kids, women, aid workers, and journalists? Yes.

2). Do we heavily fund Israel with money and weapons? Yes.

3) . Does AIPAC and foreign Israeli campaign donations impact our elections and influence policy for both Dems and R’s alike. Yes.

4) Do our political leaders still have a choice to do the right thing and withhold funding to Israel until they quit their advance? Yes.

I don't know, it seems like you also want to simplify something to get to your pre-conceived end goal. I'm not defending any side here, Israel needs to be called to task for widespread wanton destruction and the Iran-backed sides need to be called to task for basically daily attacks on Israel for the past few years. But it is terribly complicated and pretending that it's not, and even worse accusing people that recognize the complexities as using them as excuses to defend a side is disingenuous.

[Caribbean Hen]

Iran is the enemy

Go with Israel

simple

too many war mongering Dems and cube rats messing it all up

[UNI88]

Iran is the enemy

Go with Israel

simple

too many war mongering Dems and cube rats messing it all up

russia is the enemy

Go with Ukraine

simple

too many dictator loving Reps messing it all up

[kalm]

I know…he’s just well known for it and yellow journalism.

Regarding complexities…most of those we (all of us) tend to mostly use as excuses to defend a side.

EG: Gaza is complex with many disparate interests represented directly and indirectly. Their point still returns reductionism.

1). Has Israel clearly exacted its revenge and exceeded decency as a nation through the killing of 10’s of thousands of innocent kids, women, aid workers, and journalists? Yes.

2). Do we heavily fund Israel with money and weapons? Yes.

3) . Does AIPAC and foreign Israeli campaign donations impact our elections and influence policy for both Dems and R’s alike. Yes.

4) Do our political leaders still have a choice to do the right thing and withhold funding to Israel until they quit their advance? Yes.

I don't know, it seems like you also want to simplify something to get to your pre-conceived end goal. I'm not defending any side here, Israel needs to be called to task for widespread wanton destruction and the Iran-backed sides need to be called to task for basically daily attacks on Israel for the past few years. But it is terribly complicated and pretending that it's not, and even worse accusing people that recognize the complexities as using them as excuses to defend a side is disingenuous.

Sorry but that’s complete bullshit and exactly what I’m talking about.

The goal here for any reasonable person is peace and the end of wanton destruction from all combatants.

There are two ways to achieve this. Agreement and cooperation to end hostilities on behalf of both sides or enough death and destruction of one side that they no longer have a choice.

FFS, Reagan was more even handed at this in allowing sanctions and withholding arms to Israel than either Biden or Obama. And you know how much I love Reagan.

Carter helped negotiate a lasting peace at Camp David.

These things can be done. These are choices we as nations and human beings make.

[kalm]

[GannonFan]

I don't know, it seems like you also want to simplify something to get to your pre-conceived end goal. I'm not defending any side here, Israel needs to be called to task for widespread wanton destruction and the Iran-backed sides need to be called to task for basically daily attacks on Israel for the past few years. But it is terribly complicated and pretending that it's not, and even worse accusing people that recognize the complexities as using them as excuses to defend a side is disingenuous.

Sorry but that’s complete bullshit and exactly what I’m talking about.

The goal here for any reasonable person is peace and the end of wanton destruction from all combatants.

There are two ways to achieve this. Agreement and cooperation to end hostilities on behalf of both sides or enough death and destruction of one side that they no longer have a choice.

FFS, Reagan was more even handed at this in allowing sanctions and withholding arms to Israel than either Biden or Obama. And you know how much I love Reagan.

Carter helped negotiate a lasting peace at Camp David.

These things can be done. These are choices we as nations and human beings make.

Oh, so now your point carries more weight because you declared "bullshit"? Whatever, go on being blissfully and purposely blind to the depths of the issues and be content in your self-belief that you're the virtuous and righteous one and everyone else is unreasonable.

[kalm]

Sorry but that’s complete bullshit and exactly what I’m talking about.

The goal here for any reasonable person is peace and the end of wanton destruction from all combatants.

There are two ways to achieve this. Agreement and cooperation to end hostilities on behalf of both sides or enough death and destruction of one side that they no longer have a choice.

FFS, Reagan was more even handed at this in allowing sanctions and withholding arms to Israel than either Biden or Obama. And you know how much I love Reagan.

Carter helped negotiate a lasting peace at Camp David.

These things can be done. These are choices we as nations and human beings make.

Oh, so now your point carries more weight because you declared "bullshit"? Whatever, go on being blissfully and purposely blind to the depths of the issues and be content in your self-belief that you're the virtuous and righteous one and everyone else is unreasonable.

Hey man, it was you who accused me of simplification only to reach a preconceived goal. I’m terribly sorry you’re offended by my use of the word bullshit as a descriptor.

But yes…I will accept your surrender here to the idea of peace. I’m sure as you imply that I’m alone in this.

[BDKJMU]

Funny how no one else besides Kelly heard it:

https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/opinion/i ... -deranged/

[kalm]

Funny how no one else besides Kelly heard it:

https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/opinion/i ... -deranged/

Sure.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna177227

[BDKJMU]

Funny how no one else besides Kelly heard it:

https://nypost.com/2024/10/29/opinion/i ... -deranged/

Sure.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna177227

Reading is fundamental. Funny how no one else besides Kelly claimed they heard Trump praise Hitler.

[kalm]

Sure.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e ... rcna177227

Reading is fundamental. Funny how no one else besides Kelly claimed they heard Trump praise Hitler.

That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Kelly is more believable than Trump or Mulvaney. And Trumps other shout outs to Hitler through speeches are clearly intentional. And since this is all hearsay we can go back to Ivana’s claims as well.

But yeah…let’s take MAGA’s word for it.

[BDKJMU]

Reading is fundamental. Funny how no one else besides Kelly claimed they heard Trump praise Hitler.

That doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Kelly isn’t more believable than Trump or Mulvaney. And Trumps other shout outs to Hitler through speeches are clearly intentional. And since this is all hearsay we can go back to Ivana’s claims as well.

But yeah…let’s take MAGA’s word for it.

Nope, Kelly isn’t more believable than either. Nor is he more believable than Kellogg.

[kalm]

Unless you know for a fact (which you don’t) that you or someone in your family never develops a chronic illness, this, a huge deal. I’m speaking from experience here.

Facts first: Vance’s claim that preexisting conditions would be covered if insurers didn’t have to put people into the same risk pools is misleading and needs context. A key pillar of the Affordable Care Act’s sweeping protections for people with preexisting conditions is requiring insurers to put all their individual market enrollees into the same risk pool.
That is crucial for guaranteeing that insurers don’t charge people with chronic conditions higher premiums, which could lead to many of them being unable to afford coverage.

Obamacare’s protections for those with preexisting conditions is one of its most popular provisions – roughly two-thirds of the public say it’s “very important” to retain the law’s mandates prohibiting insurers from charging sick people more and from denying coverage based on their medical records, according to a February KFF poll.

But like many Republicans before him, Vance says the way to improve the nation’s health insurance system is to move away from the Affordable Care Act’s multitude of regulations and give people more choice. Similar views were voiced by congressional Republicans in their 2017 effort to repeal the landmark law, which failed in part because of concerns that their replacement plans would weaken protections for those with pre-existing conditions.

One example Vance gave in the NBC interview, which he repeated at a North Carolina rally a few days later, is allowing insurers to separate people into different risk pools. While placing healthy people into one risk pool would most likely reduce their premiums, doing the same with sicker consumers would almost certainly cause their premiums to skyrocket.

With a single risk pool, “there are some people who are healthier, and they end up subsidizing those who are less healthy,” Sabrina Corlette, co-director of Georgetown University’s Center on Health Insurance Reforms, told CNN.

Creating high-risk pools for the chronically ill has been tried before and largely failed, even though they were subsidized by states and, sometimes, by federal grants. Prior to the Affordable Care Act, 35 states operated such pools – which Corlette called “expensive, poor quality ghettos” in a recent blog post. In 2011, they covered more than 226,000 people – far fewer than were eligible – and racked up a total of more than $1.2 billion in losses. Even with the public subsidies, the rates and out-of-pocket expenses were high, and the coverage was limited in most states, according to Corlette.

Vance has not mentioned providing federal assistance to risk pools for sicker Americans, Corlette noted.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/30/politics ... index.html

[Bobcat]

96 pages in 3 months? Yeah I'm not reading all that shit. Someone give me the cliff notes...


I'll just say that the Dems and Harris have run an exceptionally tone deaf campaign...almost as if they didn't expect to even need to have a campaign...


FWIW polling shows Trump taking some leads in the swing states. Looks like the GOP finally figured out you have to vote early and often in the days leading up to actual election day to have a chance at a win. We'll see if it will be enough to beat the cheat in the days following election day. My money is still on the Dems finding a way to eek out a win with ballots appearing after election day again, hope I'm wrong.

They will, she will win by just a few votes in a couple states. Amazing how it always turns out that way and half the idiots don't question it. Don't even bring up how weird it is in the same states over 2 elections. Its just a coincidence.

[BDKJMU]

Harris’s twice refusing to answer to Biden calling Trump supporters garbage:

[UNI88]

Harris’s twice refusing to answer to Biden calling Trump supporters garbage:

What’s worse?
- calling trump supporters garbage? or
- calling harris supporters the enemy within?


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[Bobcat]

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[kalm]

Harris’s twice refusing to answer to Biden calling Trump supporters garbage:

What’s worse?
- calling trump supporters garbage? or
- calling harris supporters the enemy within?


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[Bobcat]

Trumps right