The Ukraine Crisis

[kalm]

Nails it. Pasted the rest for those without X.

essentially rejects how VP described the mandate of POTUS to conduct foreign affairs, and he insinuates that Trump term one did nothing to stop Putin.

2) He then basically tells Vance that his ideas are faulty and that the administration's diplomacy won't work.

These two comments are *deliberately antagonistic.* Everything was all well and good, but Zelensky took two major shots in a public forum, and they had to respond. And respond they did.

Recall, this is the guy who interfered in our electoral politics and called VP "too radical," and bashed Trump in an interview with New York Mag weeks before the election.

Zelensky is ENTIRELY at fault here. 100%.

lol. Everyone except Lindsey Graham, Rubio, and MAGA knows this was a set up.

We are trading Europe for Russia. Let that sink in.

[kalm]

I remember when I joined this board - when things weren't as politically polarizing - we all cared about democracy. We might have disagreed on taxes or global warming, but one thing that united us was an understanding that Putin/Russia were threats to freedom around the world.

You can tell Russian propaganda has perversely infiltrated the American right to the point they're brainlessly following Russian marching orders. No one would have blinked defending Ukraine's freedom and democracy from our largest adversary, and now they cheer an American president and VP ganging up on a (once ally's) wartime leader. And talks of leaving NATO would have been unimaginable even a decade ago.

I really hope conservatives snap back to reality that none of this is normal. That despite our political differences, we as Americans used to enjoy a good life at home and respect abroad. And we've thrown away our values, influence, and prosperity for nothing.

are you ready to fight for it?

Are you ready to fight for Russia?

[kalm]

I remember when I joined this board - when things weren't as politically polarizing - we all cared about democracy. We might have disagreed on taxes or global warming, but one thing that united us was an understanding that Putin/Russia were threats to freedom around the world.

You can tell Russian propaganda has perversely infiltrated the American right to the point they're brainlessly following Russian marching orders. No one would have blinked defending Ukraine's freedom and democracy from our largest adversary, and now they cheer an American president and VP ganging up on a (once ally's) wartime leader. And talks of leaving NATO would have been unimaginable even a decade ago.

I really hope conservatives snap back to reality that none of this is normal. That despite our political differences, we as Americans used to enjoy a good life at home and respect abroad. And we've thrown away our values, influence, and prosperity for nothing.

Accuracy.

It mirrors America. Sad.

[Caribbean Hen]

are you ready to fight for it?

Are you ready to fight for Russia?

never once waived the Russian flag or displayed it in front of my house

so are you ready to fight for the Ukraine? that's what the Dwarf wants from you and your family

[kalm]

Are you ready to fight for Russia?

never once waived the Russian flag or displayed it in front of my house

so are you ready to fight for the Ukraine? that's what the Dwarf wants from you and your family

Who’s the dwarf?

[Caribbean Hen]

never once waived the Russian flag or displayed it in front of my house

so are you ready to fight for the Ukraine? that's what the Dwarf wants from you and your family

Who’s the dwarf?

who cares..

are you signing your family up to fight Russia or not?

[kalm]

This what many of you have wanted. Congrats!

[UNI88]

Based on selective tweets. I can play that game too.

If we go one after the other who will run out of countries first?

Supporting Zelensky:
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czechia
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Norway
Poland
Spand
Sweden
United Kingdom
You can add the European Union

Supporting trump, vance & putin:
belarus
hungary
russia

Sitting on the fence:
Italy

Need to add the following to supporting Zelensky:
- Austria
- Croatia
- Finland
- Iceland
- Luxembourg
- Netherlands
- Portugal
- Slovenia

Maybe this is trump's 3D chess - he's acting the villain to unite Europe behind Zelensky and Ukraine so they will step up and take on the financial burden.

[kalm]

If we go one after the other who will run out of countries first?

Supporting Zelensky:
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czechia
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Norway
Poland
Spand
Sweden
United Kingdom
You can add the European Union

Supporting trump, vance & putin:
belarus
hungary
russia

Sitting on the fence:
Italy

Need to add the following to supporting Zelensky:
- Austria
- Croatia
- Finland
- Iceland
- Luxembourg
- Netherlands
- Portugal
- Slovenia

Maybe this is trump's 3D chess - he's acting the villain to unite Europe behind Zelensky and Ukraine so they will step up and take on the financial burden.

There’s likely some truth here, while ignoring the unintended consequences.

It will be sold as an art of the deal-just trolling- next level psyops operation.

[SeattleGriz]

Need to add the following to supporting Zelensky:
- Austria
- Croatia
- Finland
- Iceland
- Luxembourg
- Netherlands
- Portugal
- Slovenia

Maybe this is trump's 3D chess - he's acting the villain to unite Europe behind Zelensky and Ukraine so they will step up and take on the financial burden.

There’s likely some truth here, while ignoring the unintended consequences.

It will be sold as an art of the deal-just trolling- next level psyops operation.

Uh, you mean actually doing something to stop people from dying. Sorry you are against that.

[UNI88]

There’s likely some truth here, while ignoring the unintended consequences.

It will be sold as an art of the deal-just trolling- next level psyops operation.

Uh, you mean actually doing something to stop people from dying. Sorry you are against that.

putin ordered the invasion, he's ultimately responsible for people dying.

If you want to argue that putin acted to save the lives and livelihoods of ethnic russians in Donetsk and Luhansk then you have to compare the lives and livelihoods lost in those separatist regions before the invasion to the lives and livelihoods lost throughout Ukraine and kursk since the invasion.

These deaths are on putin's hands. Placating a monster capable of such atrocities is not a good solution.

[kalm]

There’s likely some truth here, while ignoring the unintended consequences.

It will be sold as an art of the deal-just trolling- next level psyops operation.

Uh, you mean actually doing something to stop people from dying. Sorry you are against that.

Putin deserves a Nobel peace prize.

[SeattleGriz]

Uh, you mean actually doing something to stop people from dying. Sorry you are against that.

putin ordered the invasion, he's ultimately responsible for people dying.

If you want to argue that putin acted to save the lives and livelihoods of ethnic russians in Donetsk and Luhansk then you have to compare the lives and livelihoods lost in those separatist regions before the invasion to the lives and livelihoods lost throughout Ukraine and kursk since the invasion.

These deaths are on putin's hands. Placating a monster capable of such atrocities is not a good solution.

Listen to you. You lost. You're thinking is what pushed this war. Now the adults are talking.

[SeattleGriz]

Uh, you mean actually doing something to stop people from dying. Sorry you are against that.

Putin deserves a Nobel peace prize.

Trump does for sure. If it was up to you, you'd keep sending young men to their death because you really don't give a shit.

[Caribbean Hen]

Putin deserves a Nobel peace prize.

Trump does for sure. If it was up to you, you'd keep sending young men to their death because you really don't give a shit.

Truth

[UNI88]

putin ordered the invasion, he's ultimately responsible for people dying.

If you want to argue that putin acted to save the lives and livelihoods of ethnic russians in Donetsk and Luhansk then you have to compare the lives and livelihoods lost in those separatist regions before the invasion to the lives and livelihoods lost throughout Ukraine and kursk since the invasion.

These deaths are on putin's hands. Placating a monster capable of such atrocities is not a good solution.

Listen to you. You lost. You're thinking is what pushed this war. Now the adults are talking.

You have nothing so you resort to an ad hominem attack.

You and CH keep mentioning adults are in charge/talking but have provided no evidence of these alleged adults in the trump regime.

How much is RT paying you to sell out your country and carry putin's water?

[Caribbean Hen]

Listen to you. You lost. You're thinking is what pushed this war. Now the adults are talking.

You have nothing so you resort to an ad hominem attack.

You and CH keep mentioning adults are in charge/talking but have provided no evidence of these alleged adults in the trump regime.

How much is RT paying you to sell out your country and carry putin's water?

I've only asked Klam one question today and might as well ask you as Klan declined to answer

Are you ready to go fight against Russia on the front lines?

Are all these European nations that tweet "We stand behind The Ukraine" ready to go in and kick Putins ass? or are they standing behind something

Are they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?

[SeattleGriz]

Listen to you. You lost. You're thinking is what pushed this war. Now the adults are talking.

You have nothing so you resort to an ad hominem attack.

You and CH keep mentioning adults are in charge/talking but have provided no evidence of these alleged adults in the trump regime.

How much is RT paying you to sell out your country and carry putin's water?

What did your line of thinking bring us in terms of ending the war? Zilch. The adults are now in charge. Go back to the children's table and stuff more green beans up your nose like you've been doing the last 3+ years.

[UNI88]

You have nothing so you resort to an ad hominem attack.

You and CH keep mentioning adults are in charge/talking but have provided no evidence of these alleged adults in the trump regime.

How much is RT paying you to sell out your country and carry putin's water?

I've only asked Klam one question today and might as well ask you as Klan declined to answer

Are you ready to go fight against Russia on the front lines?

Are all these European nations that tweet "We stand behind The Ukraine" ready to go in and kick Putins ass? or are they standing behind something

Are they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?

Yes, I am willing to go fight russia if they continue to be the aggressor. But I'm approaching 60 and I don't think I'm the ideal candidate for Ukraine or Europe's defense. Ukraine needs money and weapons more than they need volunteers.

I don't know, you'd have to ask them. Do I think they prefer to send money and weapons to Ukraine to hold russia at bay to reduce the risk that they'll have to fight to defend their homelands? Yes and that is the smart thing for them (and the US) to do.

Are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years? Are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?

Do you expect Ukraine to just roll over and give the territory russia currently holds plus probably more without security guarantees? Do you think such a peace with putin will last? Or will he take that as an opportunity to rearm and train new recruits before attempting to finish Ukraine off?

Who are these adults you say are in charge now? When will they make an appearance? They haven't made an appearance yet.

I answered your questions, now answer all of mine.

[BDKJMU]

If we go one after the other who will run out of countries first?

Supporting Zelensky:
Australia
Belgium
Canada
Czechia
Denmark
Estonia
France
Germany
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Norway
Poland
Spand
Sweden
United Kingdom
You can add the European Union

Supporting trump, vance & putin:
belarus
hungary
russia

Sitting on the fence:
Italy

Need to add the following to supporting Zelensky:
- Austria
- Croatia
- Finland
- Iceland
- Luxembourg
- Netherlands
- Portugal
- Slovenia

Maybe this is trump's 3D chess - he's acting the villain to unite Europe behind Zelensky and Ukraine so they will step up and take on the financial burden.

So you just named 8 more European countries. Like I said last night:

Most of those you mentioned are leaders of European and NATO countries. They’re just worried about no longer being able to endlessly suck off the US defense tit.

[UNI88]

Need to add the following to supporting Zelensky:
- Austria
- Croatia
- Finland
- Iceland
- Luxembourg
- Netherlands
- Portugal
- Slovenia

Maybe this is trump's 3D chess - he's acting the villain to unite Europe behind Zelensky and Ukraine so they will step up and take on the financial burden.

So you just named 8 more European countries. Like I said last night:

Most of those you mentioned are leaders of European and NATO countries. They’re just worried about no longer being able to endlessly suck off the US defense tit.

There you are with your opinion again. It's no more valid than my opinion which is that European countries are justifiably worried about an expansionist russia and they'd rather step up- and fight them in Ukraine then in the Baltic States, Poland, etc. They're supporting Ukraine's fight for freedom and democracy against a dictator that wants to erase the Ukrainian identity from history.

You should be cheering. trump's little temper tantrum with Zelensky will likely do more to wean European nations off of dependence on the US for defense than anything else he's tried.

[Caribbean Hen]

I've only asked Klam one question today and might as well ask you as Klan declined to answer

Are you ready to go fight against Russia on the front lines?

Are all these European nations that tweet "We stand behind The Ukraine" ready to go in and kick Putins ass? or are they standing behind something

Are they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?

Yes, I am willing to go fight russia if they continue to be the aggressor. But I'm approaching 60 and I don't think I'm the ideal candidate for Ukraine or Europe's defense.

Thought so

Just keep blathering and sending those kids to the grinder

[UNI88]

Yes, I am willing to go fight russia if they continue to be the aggressor. But I'm approaching 60 and I don't think I'm the ideal candidate for Ukraine or Europe's defense.

Thought so

Just keep blathering and sending those kids to the grinder

You thought so what? I answered the question.

Are American kids being sent to the grinder?

Will Ukraine stop fighting if trump pulls US support?

Will pulling US support lead to peace? Will it save lives or could it actually cost more lives?

No trite answers, give some reasoning/defend your answers. Stop with the innuendo. Grow a spine and say what you're thinking rather than beating around the bush, thinking you're being clever.

[SeattleGriz]

Yes, I am willing to go fight russia if they continue to be the aggressor. But I'm approaching 60 and I don't think I'm the ideal candidate for Ukraine or Europe's defense.

Thought so

Just keep blathering and sending those kids to the grinder

[UNI88]

Thought so

Just keep blathering and sending those kids to the grinder

Yes, I am willing to go fight russia if they continue to be the aggressor. But I'm approaching 60 and I don't think I'm the ideal candidate for Ukraine or Europe's defense. Ukraine needs money and weapons more than they need volunteers.

I don't know, you'd have to ask them. Do I think they prefer to send money and weapons to Ukraine to hold russia at bay to reduce the risk that they'll have to fight to defend their homelands? Yes and that is the smart thing for them (and the US) to do.

Are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years? Are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?

Do you expect Ukraine to just roll over and give the territory russia currently holds plus probably more without security guarantees? Do you think such a peace with putin will last? Or will he take that as an opportunity to rearm and train new recruits before attempting to finish Ukraine off?

Who are these adults you say are in charge now? When will they make an appearance? They haven't made an appearance yet.

I answered your questions, don't be a pussy and duck all of mine.