Trump 2.0: MAGAA

[UNI88]

Tell me you didn't read the Cato Institute piece without telling me you didn't read the piece.

I'll try and summarize the key points for you. My apologies that it isn't written in crayon and has a lot of multisyllable words but pull up your dictionary and see if you can try and understand it ...

Is this one of the same ‘experts’ who 4 years ago said inflation was going to be transitory?

No.

[SeattleGriz]

Tell me you didn't read the Cato Institute piece without telling me you didn't read the piece.

I'll try and summarize the key points for you. My apologies that it isn't written in crayon and has a lot of multisyllable words but pull up your dictionary and see if you can try and understand it ...

Good analysis. Thank you.

And how much of this analysis has come true? Another appeal to authority that hasn't proven shit AND was wrong on Tariffs 1.0.

I got history, you got nothing to back this up.

[UNI88]

Good analysis. Thank you.

And how much of this analysis has come true? Another appeal to authority that hasn't proven shit AND was wrong on Tariffs 1.0.

I got history, you got nothing to back this up.

You are proof that obtuse is not just an angle.

[SeattleGriz]

And how much of this analysis has come true? Another appeal to authority that hasn't proven shit AND was wrong on Tariffs 1.0.

I got history, you got nothing to back this up.

You are proof that obtuse is not just an angle.

This is the, "we have no way of knowing if our predictions will come true" disclaimer.

You're the Joe Scarborough of the board. Always hyping a turd

There are also several well-documented reasons for why even a temporary tariff-fueled increase in U.S. prices hasn’t materialized yet—and, in fact, might never show up fully in the CPI or other broad measures of inflation. For starters, Trump quickly rolled back some of his biggest tariffs (e.g., China and “Liberation Day”) and temporarily exempted many other products—semiconductors and consumer electronics, pharmaceuticals, many USMCA-compliant products, etc.
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Then there’s the timing issue. Goldman notes that, from a purely mechanical perspective, it takes several weeks between the date of a tariff announcement and the tariff being paid by U.S. importers:

Meanwhile, American companies have worked hard to avoid paying the tariffs that are now in force. Most notable in this regard were their efforts to import goods before tariffs hit, thus resulting in a big spike in imports between November and April …
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Companies are also deploying other strategies to avoid taking a full tariff hit—at least in the short term. They are, for example, engaging in “tariff engineering”—reclassifying products into lower-tariff categories or ones with no tariffs at all.

[UNI88]

You are proof that obtuse is not just an angle.

This is the, "we have no way of knowing if our predictions will come true" disclaimer.

You're the Joe Scarborough of the board. Always hyping a turd

There are also several well-documented reasons for why even a temporary tariff-fueled increase in U.S. prices hasn’t materialized yet—and, in fact, might never show up fully in the CPI or other broad measures of inflation. For starters, Trump quickly rolled back some of his biggest tariffs (e.g., China and “Liberation Day”) and temporarily exempted many other products—semiconductors and consumer electronics, pharmaceuticals, many USMCA-compliant products, etc.
...
Then there’s the timing issue. Goldman notes that, from a purely mechanical perspective, it takes several weeks between the date of a tariff announcement and the tariff being paid by U.S. importers:

Meanwhile, American companies have worked hard to avoid paying the tariffs that are now in force. Most notable in this regard were their efforts to import goods before tariffs hit, thus resulting in a big spike in imports between November and April …
...
Companies are also deploying other strategies to avoid taking a full tariff hit—at least in the short term. They are, for example, engaging in “tariff engineering”—reclassifying products into lower-tariff categories or ones with no tariffs at all.

Bullshit! We have a way of knowing - it's called time. I've stated repeatedly that the roller coaster ride isn't over. If trump sticks to his guns on tariffs and doesn't TACO then we'll know whose prediction came true.

The article also clearly articulates why tariffs are unlikely to have a lasting impact on inflation.

You and other MAQA yahoos keep wanting to pound your chests and grunt that trump was right based on premature data at a favorable moment in time.

IMO tariffs are a tax on the consumer, a tax that the wealthy can better absorb and a tax on the poor and middle class that will more than offset any temporary advantages gained from the Budget Busting Behemoth.

[BDKJMU]

[Caribbean Hen]

They purposely “got it wrong”

Maybe try some of your own advice

You were in the newsroom at the time?

Did Fox ever get in trouble for intentionally lying about a story? (I know…you don’t watch Fox. Nobody apparently does.)

Were you in the Ukraine when JoBozo Biden let Russia go on the offensive. No? So how do you know anything?

That comment illustrates how ridiculous your comment was about the newsroom

NPR unfortunately just became another branch of the fourth estate

[Caribbean Hen]

This is the, "we have no way of knowing if our predictions will come true" disclaimer.

You're the Joe Scarborough of the board. Always hyping a turd

Bullshit! We have a way of knowing - it's called time. I've stated repeatedly that the roller coaster ride isn't over. If trump sticks to his guns on tariffs and doesn't TACO then we'll know whose prediction came true.

The article also clearly articulates why tariffs are unlikely to have a lasting impact on inflation.

You and other MAQA yahoos keep wanting to pound your chests and grunt that trump was right based on premature data at a favorable moment in time.

IMO tariffs are a tax on the consumer, a tax that the wealthy can better absorb and a tax on the poor and middle class that will more than offset any temporary advantages gained from the Budget Busting Behemoth.

Why are you rooting so feverishly against our president?

100 billion in the US treasury coffers so far under Trump‘s tariffs

Tremendous growth initiatives being initiated by Trump

fuel prices are under under control (except maybe in blue states for taxing the crap out of it ) and actually going down, which will be great and in long-term for inflation

Balancing global trade to make it fair

If liberals understood that our national debt is the biggest problem their grandchildren’s will face much more important than climate change, would they be more receptive to paying higher prices for the greater good ?

And maybe Al Gore can capitalize off a new inconvenient truth

Our $37 trillion national debt

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

Along with Japan, add Indonesia and the Philippines. So much winning.

[UNI88]

Bullshit! We have a way of knowing - it's called time. I've stated repeatedly that the roller coaster ride isn't over. If trump sticks to his guns on tariffs and doesn't TACO then we'll know whose prediction came true.

The article also clearly articulates why tariffs are unlikely to have a lasting impact on inflation.

You and other MAQA yahoos keep wanting to pound your chests and grunt that trump was right based on premature data at a favorable moment in time.

IMO tariffs are a tax on the consumer, a tax that the wealthy can better absorb and a tax on the poor and middle class that will more than offset any temporary advantages gained from the Budget Busting Behemoth.

Why are you rooting so feverishly against our president?

100 billion in the US treasury coffers so far under Trump‘s tariffs

Tremendous growth initiatives being initiated by Trump

fuel prices are under under control (except maybe in blue states for taxing the crap out of it ) and actually going down, which will be great and in long-term for inflation

Balancing global trade to make it fair

If liberals understood that our national debt is the biggest problem their grandchildren’s will face much more important than climate change, would they be more receptive to paying higher prices for the greater good ?

And maybe Al Gore can capitalize off a new inconvenient truth

Our $37 trillion national debt

Are you serious? You just spent 4 years "rooting feverishly against our president".

MAQA yahoos like you can't complain about our national debt after supporting trump and his Budget Busting Behemoth. It adds trillions to the debt.

I oppose our president because I support the entire Constitution, I care about the future of this country and I think he's doing damaging our ability to be competitive in the future.

[Caribbean Hen]

Why are you rooting so feverishly against our president?

100 billion in the US treasury coffers so far under Trump‘s tariffs

Tremendous growth initiatives being initiated by Trump

fuel prices are under under control (except maybe in blue states for taxing the crap out of it ) and actually going down, which will be great and in long-term for inflation

Balancing global trade to make it fair

If liberals understood that our national debt is the biggest problem their grandchildren’s will face much more important than climate change, would they be more receptive to paying higher prices for the greater good ?

And maybe Al Gore can capitalize off a new inconvenient truth

Our $37 trillion national debt

Are you serious? You just spent 4 years "rooting feverishly against our president".

MAQA yahoos like you can't complain about our national debt after supporting trump and his Budget Busting Behemoth. It adds trillions to the debt.

I oppose our president because I support the entire Constitution, I care about the future of this country and I think he's doing damaging our ability to be competitive in the future.

Was just telling the truth about Joey

That’s not rooting against the USA

Trump is actually doing more than demented Biden could ever dream of for our future

[BDKJMU]

Why are you rooting so feverishly against our president?

100 billion in the US treasury coffers so far under Trump‘s tariffs

Tremendous growth initiatives being initiated by Trump

fuel prices are under under control (except maybe in blue states for taxing the crap out of it ) and actually going down, which will be great and in long-term for inflation

Balancing global trade to make it fair

If liberals understood that our national debt is the biggest problem their grandchildren’s will face much more important than climate change, would they be more receptive to paying higher prices for the greater good ?

And maybe Al Gore can capitalize off a new inconvenient truth

Our $37 trillion national debt

Are you serious? You just spent 4 years "rooting feverishly against our president".

MAQA yahoos like you can't complain about our national debt after supporting trump and his Budget Busting Behemoth. It adds trillions to the debt.

I oppose our president because I support the entire Constitution, I care about the future of this country and I think he's doing damaging our ability to be competitive in the future.

Remains to be seen.

[UNI88]

Are you serious? You just spent 4 years "rooting feverishly against our president".

MAQA yahoos like you can't complain about our national debt after supporting trump and his Budget Busting Behemoth. It adds trillions to the debt.

I oppose our president because I support the entire Constitution, I care about the future of this country and I think he's doing damaging our ability to be competitive in the future.

Was just telling the truth about Joey

That’s not rooting against the USA

Trump is actually doing more than demented Biden could ever dream of for our future

And I'm just telling the truth about trump.

That's your opinion which is no more valid than my opinion which is that both did and are doing serious damage to the country and it's future.

[SeattleGriz]

This is the, "we have no way of knowing if our predictions will come true" disclaimer.

You're the Joe Scarborough of the board. Always hyping a turd

Bullshit! We have a way of knowing - it's called time. I've stated repeatedly that the roller coaster ride isn't over. If trump sticks to his guns on tariffs and doesn't TACO then we'll know whose prediction came true.

The article also clearly articulates why tariffs are unlikely to have a lasting impact on inflation.

You and other MAQA yahoos keep wanting to pound your chests and grunt that trump was right based on premature data at a favorable moment in time.

IMO tariffs are a tax on the consumer, a tax that the wealthy can better absorb and a tax on the poor and middle class that will more than offset any temporary advantages gained from the Budget Busting Behemoth.

You didn't even read your own article. They already admitted they won't be able to prove. You don't throw a disclaimer that large into an article if you don't expect it to happen.

As far as time? You apparently forgot Trump did this in 2017 and Biden pretty much kept all his tariffs in place. Your favorite President, Pedo Joe approved.

[UNI88]

Bullshit! We have a way of knowing - it's called time. I've stated repeatedly that the roller coaster ride isn't over. If trump sticks to his guns on tariffs and doesn't TACO then we'll know whose prediction came true.

The article also clearly articulates why tariffs are unlikely to have a lasting impact on inflation.

You and other MAQA yahoos keep wanting to pound your chests and grunt that trump was right based on premature data at a favorable moment in time.

IMO tariffs are a tax on the consumer, a tax that the wealthy can better absorb and a tax on the poor and middle class that will more than offset any temporary advantages gained from the Budget Busting Behemoth.

You didn't even read your own article. They already admitted they won't be able to prove. You don't throw a disclaimer that large into an article if you don't expect it to happen.

As far as time? You apparently forgot Rapist Don did this in 2017 and Biden pretty much kept all his tariffs in place. Your favorite President, Pedo Joe approved.

FYP

Can you quote this alleged disclaimer? I read a reasonable explanation for why the tariffs won't have a lasting impact on inflation but that was hardly a disclaimer considering it was part of the premise of the piece (it's part of the "confusion" in the title - The Great Tariff ‘Inflation’ Confusion)

The piece provided a very rational explanation why trump's 2017 tariffs had little macro impact and why the 2025 tariffs are different.

As you’ll recall, the Trump 1.0 tariffs were fairly targeted—steel, aluminum, washing machines, China imports (half), solar panels, etc.—and thus comprised a relatively small share of the goods measured in price indexes like the CPI. As a result (and because fiscal/​monetary policy remained steady), those tariffs had an insignificant effect on the general price level and on inflation overall, even though numerous studies have since shown that U.S. consumers were paying higher prices for the tariffed goods at issue.

You can't address that explanation but you continue to bring up the early tariffs as if they're proof that trump is right and that the cost of 2025 tariffs won't be born by American consumers.

So, we shouldn’t expect Trump’s new tariffs to cause major “inflation” in the months ahead, but there are plenty of reasons to expect a significant, but temporary, spike in U.S. prices later this year. And some of the latter is already showing up in the data. Most people who actually do this stuff for a living (aka not TV pundits or viral posters) have been saying these exact things for more than a year now, so—as you can imagine—constantly repeating them in response to endless “inflation” inanity has become one of the more pointless and annoying parts of the job.
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For most Americans, however, what matters isn’t the precise CPI reading or whether professional forecasters nailed their latest monthly predictions, but instead our actual living standards and—as our last election taught us—the price level, not its technical rate of change over a month or year. And here the tariff story isn’t in doubt: First, they will make many U.S. prices rise and, in fact, have already started doing so. And second, we will be poorer, regardless of what the Federal Reserve does.

That last, bolded part sounds pretty darn definitive to me.

[SeattleGriz]

You didn't even read your own article. They already admitted they won't be able to prove. You don't throw a disclaimer that large into an article if you don't expect it to happen.

As far as time? You apparently forgot Rapist Don did this in 2017 and Biden pretty much kept all his tariffs in place. Your favorite President, Pedo Joe approved.

FYP

Can you quote this alleged disclaimer? I read a reasonable explanation for why the tariffs won't have a lasting impact on inflation but that was hardly a disclaimer considering it was part of the premise of the piece (it's part of the "confusion" in the title - The Great Tariff ‘Inflation’ Confusion)

The piece provided a very rational explanation why trump's 2017 tariffs had little macro impact and why the 2025 tariffs are different.

As you’ll recall, the Trump 1.0 tariffs were fairly targeted—steel, aluminum, washing machines, China imports (half), solar panels, etc.—and thus comprised a relatively small share of the goods measured in price indexes like the CPI. As a result (and because fiscal/​monetary policy remained steady), those tariffs had an insignificant effect on the general price level and on inflation overall, even though numerous studies have since shown that U.S. consumers were paying higher prices for the tariffed goods at issue.

You can't address that explanation but you continue to bring up the early tariffs as if they're proof that trump is right and that the cost of 2025 tariffs won't be born by American consumers.

So, we shouldn’t expect Trump’s new tariffs to cause major “inflation” in the months ahead, but there are plenty of reasons to expect a significant, but temporary, spike in U.S. prices later this year. And some of the latter is already showing up in the data. Most people who actually do this stuff for a living (aka not TV pundits or viral posters) have been saying these exact things for more than a year now, so—as you can imagine—constantly repeating them in response to endless “inflation” inanity has become one of the more pointless and annoying parts of the job.
...
For most Americans, however, what matters isn’t the precise CPI reading or whether professional forecasters nailed their latest monthly predictions, but instead our actual living standards and—as our last election taught us—the price level, not its technical rate of change over a month or year. And here the tariff story isn’t in doubt: First, they will make many U.S. prices rise and, in fact, have already started doing so. And second, we will be poorer, regardless of what the Federal Reserve does.

That last, bolded part sounds pretty darn definitive to me.

As you apparently cannot read your own article.

There are also several well-documented reasons for why even a temporary tariff-fueled increase in U.S. prices hasn’t materialized yet—and, in fact, might never show up fully in the CPI or other broad measures of inflation.

This means you have to take their word for it. It happened, they just can't prove it.

Don't be angry your shit articles never come true. Just learn better reading comprehension and then you'll stop posting nonsense like this.

History of tariffs 1.0 shows you and these guys are still trying, but failing.

If you know so much, what items have gone up in cost already and by how much. Surely that's somewhere in that shit article.

[UNI88]

FYP

Can you quote this alleged disclaimer? I read a reasonable explanation for why the tariffs won't have a lasting impact on inflation but that was hardly a disclaimer considering it was part of the premise of the piece (it's part of the "confusion" in the title - The Great Tariff ‘Inflation’ Confusion)

The piece provided a very rational explanation why trump's 2017 tariffs had little macro impact and why the 2025 tariffs are different.

You can't address that explanation but you continue to bring up the early tariffs as if they're proof that trump is right and that the cost of 2025 tariffs won't be born by American consumers.

That last, bolded part sounds pretty darn definitive to me.

As you apparently cannot read your own article.

There are also several well-documented reasons for why even a temporary tariff-fueled increase in U.S. prices hasn’t materialized yet—and, in fact, might never show up fully in the CPI or other broad measures of inflation.

This means you have to take their word for it. It happened, they just can't prove it.

Don't be angry your shit articles never come true. Just learn better reading comprehension and then you'll stop posting nonsense like this.

History of tariffs 1.0 shows you and these guys are still trying, but failing.

If you know so much, what items have gone up in cost already and by how much. Surely that's somewhere in that shit article.

JFC are you really this obtuse? The author clearly states throughout the piece that tariffs may not increase inflation (and why they might not) but that they will make many U.S. prices rise. The reasons why tariffs might not increase inflation (as measured by indexes like the CPI) are valid. The reasons why prices will increase because of tariffs are also valid. You can't address the reasons/rationale provided so you're lazily cheery picking parts of the article and taking them out of context.

Engage your brain and use your critical thinking skills rather than continuing to be spoon-fed like a lemming by trump, lutnick, and bessent. Our best hope is that trump continues to TACO.

[kalm]

[SeattleGriz]

As you apparently cannot read your own article.



This means you have to take their word for it. It happened, they just can't prove it.

Don't be angry your shit articles never come true. Just learn better reading comprehension and then you'll stop posting nonsense like this.

History of tariffs 1.0 shows you and these guys are still trying, but failing.

If you know so much, what items have gone up in cost already and by how much. Surely that's somewhere in that shit article.

JFC are you really this obtuse? The author clearly states throughout the piece that tariffs may not increase inflation (and why they might not) but that they will make many U.S. prices rise. The reasons why tariffs might not increase inflation (as measured by indexes like the CPI) are valid. The reasons why prices will increase because of tariffs are also valid. You can't address the reasons/rationale provided so you're lazily cheery picking parts of the article and taking them out of context.

Engage your brain and use your critical thinking skills rather than continuing to be spoon-fed like a lemming by trump, lutnick, and bessent. Our best hope is that trump continues to TACO.

Oh everyone gets that some costs will be passed on like last time and that it will most likely be a one time cost, it's just that guys like Jonah Goldberg and Kevin Williamson are notoriously guilty of overinflating any sort of doom.

Perfect example were the last tariffs. Remember how they were going to hit the poorest and cause all sorts of financial doom and markets crashing? Never happened and the real wage increase among the poor far offset that doom.

When they don't even mention why tariffs were around 25% but only caused a 7% increase, you can see this is more Russia collusion type stuff. Fiction and shitty half ass fiction. But you keep buying in and being wrong some more. I was hoping you'd have done some research, but as you couldn't even give basic numbers, it shows you just eat up anything about Trump without bothering to fully understand. It's why your candidate Pedo Joe lost.

[BDKJMU]

[Caribbean Hen]

It’s more like politicians are at the All time low

Have you seen how low the Democrats are on the polls…. Even the CNN polls

[BDKJMU]

[Caribbean Hen]

Was just telling the truth about Joey

That’s not rooting against the USA

Trump is actually doing more than demented Biden could ever dream of for our future

And I'm just telling the truth about trump.

That's your opinion which is no more valid than my opinion which is that both did and are doing serious damage to the country and it's future.

Nope

You’re just repeating the night after night lies that you heard on the news

How many Hannity haters are out there? It turns out he was right the whole time

[kalm]

And I'm just telling the truth about trump.

That's your opinion which is no more valid than my opinion which is that both did and are doing serious damage to the country and it's future.

Nope

You’re just repeating the night after night lies that you heard on the news

How many Hannity haters are out there? It turns out he was right the whole time

Hannity? Just stop.