The Ukraine Crisis

[BDKJMU]

Ok squirrel

If you can’t see how the medias fake Russia, Russia, Russia, narrative against Trump has swayed almost every Democrat to flag waving Ukraine lovers. I don’t know what to tell you dummy

It’s OK not to like Putin but it’s takes two to tango

And after the media TKO of all liberal brains, nobody is even allowed to ask honest questions about what’s going on over there without being branded a Putin lover

Cry me a river. You’re defending a ruthless and murderous aggressor who starts wars with neighboring countries and the pedophile wannabe dictator who’s fawned over him for years.

Remember…while collusion wasn’t proven to the level of impeachment, the Mueller investigation did find that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to benefit Donald Trump's candidacy. 34 charged with 8 convictions came out of it.

Them’s the facts. I’m on solid ground here. You deal in right wing media based suppositions only.

Attempted to interfere, as they have with every US presidential election going back before we were born.

Had zero affect on the outcome.

[kalm]

Cry me a river. You’re defending a ruthless and murderous aggressor who starts wars with neighboring countries and the pedophile wannabe dictator who’s fawned over him for years.

Remember…while collusion wasn’t proven to the level of impeachment, the Mueller investigation did find that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to benefit Donald Trump's candidacy. 34 charged with 8 convictions came out of it.

Them’s the facts. I’m on solid ground here. You deal in right wing media based suppositions only.

Attempted to interfere, as they have with every US presidential election going back before we were born.

Had zero affect on the outcome.

Sure.

[BDKJMU]

Attempted to interfere, as they have with every US presidential election going back before we were born.

Had zero affect on the outcome.

Sure.

Keep telling yourself that’s why your gal lost.

[kalm]

Sure.

Keep telling yourself that’s why your gal lost.

My gal? She’s closer to your ideology than mine. I was Bernie supporter and held my nose to vote for Hilldog. I’ve been vindicated for that.

Trump won by 79,000 votes in the three toss up states, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin…so yeah.

[BDKJMU]

Keep telling yourself that’s why your gal lost.

My gal? She’s closer to your ideology than mine. I was Bernie supporter and held my nose to vote for Hilldog. I’ve been vindicated for that.

Trump won by 79,000 votes in the three toss up states, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin…so yeah.

And your boy Biden won by 40k votes in GA, WI, and AZ, the difference in an EC tie and Trump being selected in the House.

[kalm]

My gal? She’s closer to your ideology than mine. I was Bernie supporter and held my nose to vote for Hilldog. I’ve been vindicated for that.

Trump won by 79,000 votes in the three toss up states, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin…so yeah.

And your boy Biden won by 40k votes in GA, WI, and AZ, the difference in an EC tie and Trump being selected in the House.

I already told who my boy is.

The Russians helped Biden too. Wow!

[SeattleGriz]

In bed with an embezzling sleaze bag who puts Ukrainians in a meat grinder for kickbacks. Not a good look. Would you like to tell us about Zelensky tried to knee cap the investigative group with a bill and then reversed course after public outcry.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/uk ... 025-11-25/

On the bright side, at least they can and do investigate corruption in Ukraine unlike in russia (or trump’s executive branch).


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Yeah, they're really ripping corruption a new one.

[SeattleGriz]

UNI "lazy ass" reply. You didn't know shit and "working it out" means amnesty for pieces of shit profiting off this war, including your boy Zelensky. Not a good, nor informed look.

These guys were all fine with Putin until Trump came along

Exactly. The 80's called and they want their foreign diplomacy back. What exactly did Obama do to turn the Russians into our mortal enemies?

[Caribbean Hen]

Keep telling yourself that’s why your gal lost.

My gal? She’s closer to your ideology than mine. I was Bernie supporter and held my nose to vote for Hilldog. I’ve been vindicated for that.

Trump won by 79,000 votes in the three toss up states, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin…so yeah.

Bernie supporter

[Caribbean Hen]

You had no idea Ukrainian was busted, did you. You can admit you don't pay attention, nor care for the Ukrainians, unless it involves Trump. Not a good look.

Yawn.

I was aware but I didn’t do a deep dive nor am I worried. It will get worked out. It’s not as if it would even come close to the corruption in Russia’s or own own government.

So the Waffle House has come to the West Coast now?

You must be eating there every freaking day seeing how many times you waffle on your ever changing stances



You totally support waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption

[kalm]

Yawn.

I was aware but I didn’t do a deep dive nor am I worried. It will get worked out. It’s not as if it would even come close to the corruption in Russia’s or own own government.

So the Waffle House has come to the West Coast now?

You must be eating there every freaking day seeing how many times you waffle on your ever changing stances



You totally support waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption

It’s called adaptability. It’s how species and individuals change and improve as conditions change and new information becomes available.

Let me know if you’re ever interested in learning more about it.

[kalm]

My gal? She’s closer to your ideology than mine. I was Bernie supporter and held my nose to vote for Hilldog. I’ve been vindicated for that.

Trump won by 79,000 votes in the three toss up states, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin…so yeah.

Bernie supporter

Pedophile supporter. :

Bernie has carried the same principles of democracy and economic freedom for ALL since the 60’s.

[UNI88]

Witkoff Advised Russia on How to Pitch Ukraine Plan to Trump

In an Oct. 14 phone call that lasted a little over five minutes, Witkoff advised Yuri Ushakov, Putin’s top foreign policy aide, on how the Russian leader should broach the issue with Trump. His guidance included suggestions on setting up a Trump-Putin call before Volodymyr Zelenskiy’s White House visit later that week and using the Gaza agreement as a way in.

[UNI88]

Trump’s $2 Trillion Plan to Cash in on Ukraine ‘Peace’ Leaks

At the center of President Trump’s contentious plan to end the Russia-Ukraine war isn’t peace: it’s profit.

Trump envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are negotiating with Russian officials to ensure U.S. businesses—and Trump’s friends—are in position to make a killing once the war ends, according to an exhaustive Wall Street Journal report published Friday.
...
“If we do all that, and everybody’s prospering and they’re all a part of it, and there’s upside for everybody, that’s going to naturally be a bulwark against future conflicts there. Because everybody’s thriving,” Witkoff said.

For Witkoff, Kushner, and the Russians, the goal is reportedly to revitalize Russia’s $2 trillion economy through joint Russia-U.S. ventures. At the center of the talks is $300 billion in frozen Russian central bank assets that Russia wants to give to U.S. businesses for investment projects and U.S.-led reconstruction of Ukraine.

Oops, someone has shown a light on the grift.

Do the trumps realize that most of the $300 billion in frozen Russian central bank assets is controlled by Europe so European approval of the peace plan is kind of important?

[kalm]

Trump’s $2 Trillion Plan to Cash in on Ukraine ‘Peace’ Leaks

At the center of President Trump’s contentious plan to end the Russia-Ukraine war isn’t peace: it’s profit.

Trump envoys Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are negotiating with Russian officials to ensure U.S. businesses—and Trump’s friends—are in position to make a killing once the war ends, according to an exhaustive Wall Street Journal report published Friday.
...
“If we do all that, and everybody’s prospering and they’re all a part of it, and there’s upside for everybody, that’s going to naturally be a bulwark against future conflicts there. Because everybody’s thriving,” Witkoff said.

For Witkoff, Kushner, and the Russians, the goal is reportedly to revitalize Russia’s $2 trillion economy through joint Russia-U.S. ventures. At the center of the talks is $300 billion in frozen Russian central bank assets that Russia wants to give to U.S. businesses for investment projects and U.S.-led reconstruction of Ukraine.

Oops, someone has shown a light on the grift.

Do the trumps realize that most of the $300 billion in frozen Russian central bank assets is controlled by Europe so European approval of the peace plan is kind of important?

They’re surprisingly brazen in their lack of principles. They’re going to revitalize Russia’s economy? How about using those $’s to rebuild Ukraine?

[kalm]

Powerful condemnation.

[SeattleGriz]

This is why nobody believes the NYT or WaPo, nor believes the story that this is all "Putins fault".

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/worl ... ensky.html

This critique is from a old school journalism major who does a good job of pointing out bullshit.

Before we dive into the details, note that this story bears all the hallmarks of a classic intelligence community plant. The Times began by saying its ‘investigation’ —which nobody ever heard was underway— resulted from “documents and interviews with about 20 Western and Ukrainian officials who have worked closely with company boards or served on them.”

But never, not once, did the Times explain where the documents came from (never mind identify them), who identified the “officials” (never mind who they all were), or who coordinated the “interviews.” The sources and details remain a baffling reporting mystery, which either violates every journalistic ethical canon, or else the story was written in Langley rather than New York.

Are you starting to see how this war was started to try and weaken Russia and for some to make billions off war?

Geopolitics gone bad and the Ukrainian public gets fucked over because of the corruption.

[UNI88]

This is why nobody believes the NYT or WaPo, nor believes the story that this is all "Putins fault".

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/worl ... ensky.html

This critique is from a old school journalism major who does a good job of pointing out bullshit.

Before we dive into the details, note that this story bears all the hallmarks of a classic intelligence community plant. The Times began by saying its ‘investigation’ —which nobody ever heard was underway— resulted from “documents and interviews with about 20 Western and Ukrainian officials who have worked closely with company boards or served on them.”

But never, not once, did the Times explain where the documents came from (never mind identify them), who identified the “officials” (never mind who they all were), or who coordinated the “interviews.” The sources and details remain a baffling reporting mystery, which either violates every journalistic ethical canon, or else the story was written in Langley rather than New York.

Are you starting to see how this war was started to try and weaken Russia and for some to make billions off war?

Geopolitics gone bad and the Ukrainian public gets fucked over because of the corruption.

If no one believes the NYT why are you quoting a piece from the NYT?

It's also paywalled. Give me a source I don't have to pay to see.

[SeattleGriz]

This is why nobody believes the NYT or WaPo, nor believes the story that this is all "Putins fault".

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/05/worl ... ensky.html

This critique is from a old school journalism major who does a good job of pointing out bullshit.



Are you starting to see how this war was started to try and weaken Russia and for some to make billions off war?

Geopolitics gone bad and the Ukrainian public gets fucked over because of the corruption.

If no one believes the NYT why are you quoting a piece from the NYT?

It's also paywalled. Give me a source I don't have to pay to see.

To show how they are essentially stenographers for the Establishment. There is absolutely no journalism being performed at the NYT.

If you've been paying attention, you could see this coming for miles. No financial oversight into a corrupt Ukraine, which allowed a huge amount of graft, to now screwing Zelensky over by making him the scape goat. Killed all those Ukrainians for the MIC.

[UNI88]

If no one believes the NYT why are you quoting a piece from the NYT?

It's also paywalled. Give me a source I don't have to pay to see.

To show how they are essentially stenographers for the Establishment. There is absolutely no journalism being performed at the NYT.

If you've been paying attention, you could see this coming for miles. No financial oversight into a corrupt Ukraine, which allowed a huge amount of graft, to now screwing Zelensky over by making him the scape goat. Killed all those Ukrainians for the MIC.

Your bias and shortsightedness is astounding.

Yes, graft and corruption is a problem in Ukraine and has been for quite some time. It's a problem that they recognize and have put in place oversight to help prevent and/or sniff it out.

russia on the other hand does not have anything like this oversight. Graft and corruption are standard operating procedure there. What about their responsibility for all the Ukrainians that have been killed?

The US also used to have oversight but trump and his sychophants have fired so many inspectors general, JAGs, etc. that graft/corruption runs rampant in the trump regime (see his crypto ventures, jet donated by funders of terrorism, law firm shakedowns, etc.).

You have absolutely no room to criticize Ukraine for graft/corruption if you stick your head in the sand when trump and russia are doing it.

[SeattleGriz]

To show how they are essentially stenographers for the Establishment. There is absolutely no journalism being performed at the NYT.

If you've been paying attention, you could see this coming for miles. No financial oversight into a corrupt Ukraine, which allowed a huge amount of graft, to now screwing Zelensky over by making him the scape goat. Killed all those Ukrainians for the MIC.

Your bias and shortsightedness is astounding.

Yes, graft and corruption is a problem in Ukraine and has been for quite some time. It's a problem that they recognize and have put in place oversight to help prevent and/or sniff it out.

russia on the other hand does not have anything like this oversight. Graft and corruption are standard operating procedure there. What about their responsibility for all the Ukrainians that have been killed?

The US also used to have oversight but trump and his sychophants have fired so many inspectors general, JAGs, etc. that graft/corruption runs rampant in the trump regime (see his crypto ventures, jet donated by funders of terrorism, law firm shakedowns, etc.).

You have absolutely no room to criticize Ukraine for graft/corruption if you stick your head in the sand when trump and russia are doing it.

You keep up with the TDS and I'll keep hoping people stop dying needlessly. Broken record.

[kalm]

To show how they are essentially stenographers for the Establishment. There is absolutely no journalism being performed at the NYT.

If you've been paying attention, you could see this coming for miles. No financial oversight into a corrupt Ukraine, which allowed a huge amount of graft, to now screwing Zelensky over by making him the scape goat. Killed all those Ukrainians for the MIC.

Your bias and shortsightedness is astounding.

Yes, graft and corruption is a problem in Ukraine and has been for quite some time. It's a problem that they recognize and have put in place oversight to help prevent and/or sniff it out.

russia on the other hand does not have anything like this oversight. Graft and corruption are standard operating procedure there. What about their responsibility for all the Ukrainians that have been killed?

The US also used to have oversight but trump and his sychophants have fired so many inspectors general, JAGs, etc. that graft/corruption runs rampant in the trump regime (see his crypto ventures, jet donated by funders of terrorism, law firm shakedowns, etc.).

You have absolutely no room to criticize Ukraine for graft/corruption if you stick your head in the sand when trump and russia are doing it.

Brought to you by the same people who think UKR started the war and Putin is a victim.

[kalm]

Shouldn’t Europe be our ally instead of Russia?

Steve Witkoff is a real-estate developer with no historical, geographical, or cultural knowledge of Russia or Ukraine. Kirill Dmitriev heads Russia’s sovereign-wealth fund, a day job that involves negotiating financial deals designed to benefit the Russian oligarchs who control the state, including Putin. Together, they have put together a 28-point “peace plan” which has surprised the Ukrainians, the Europeans, and possibly even the State Department. The Secretary of the Army, Dan Driscoll, who is closely linked to Vice President Vance, was sent to Kyiv to tell the Ukrainians that if they don’t agree to all of this by Thanksgiving, then the US will stop selling weapons to Ukraine.

The plan they have created is misnamed, as I wrote this morning in the Atlantic:

“It is not a peace plan. It is a proposal that weakens Ukraine and divides America from Europe, preparing the way for a larger war in the future. In the meantime, it benefits unnamed Russian and American investors, at the expense of everyone else.”

The plan calls for Ukraine not only to cede occupied territory to Russia, but to cede territory that Russia does not currently control. If the Ukrainians agree, which is, politically probably impossible, they will sacrifice heavily fortified land, leaving all of central Ukraine vulnerable to a future invasion. In return, they get a vague and unrealistic promise of security guarantees, but with no details.

Although the plan pays lip service to Ukrainian sovereignty it, also imposes harsh conditions on Ukraine and none on Russia. Ukraine must stop talking about war crimes, cut the size of its army, promise never to join NATO, never to invite European troops onto its territory and even hold elections within 100 days of making the agreement, a demand not made of Russia, a dictatorship that has not held free elections for more than two decades.

https://open.substack.com/pub/anneapple ... medium=ios

[SeattleGriz]

Your bias and shortsightedness is astounding.

Yes, graft and corruption is a problem in Ukraine and has been for quite some time. It's a problem that they recognize and have put in place oversight to help prevent and/or sniff it out.

russia on the other hand does not have anything like this oversight. Graft and corruption are standard operating procedure there. What about their responsibility for all the Ukrainians that have been killed?

The US also used to have oversight but trump and his sychophants have fired so many inspectors general, JAGs, etc. that graft/corruption runs rampant in the trump regime (see his crypto ventures, jet donated by funders of terrorism, law firm shakedowns, etc.).

You have absolutely no room to criticize Ukraine for graft/corruption if you stick your head in the sand when trump and russia are doing it.

Brought to you by the same people who think UKR started the war and Putin is a victim.

You believe like UniStBehar that Russia more corrupt than Ukraine. Puhleaze. Idiot level statement.

[UNI88]

Brought to you by the same people who think UKR started the war and Putin is a victim.

You believe like UniStBehar that Russia more corrupt than Ukraine. Puhleaze. Idiot level statement.

I asked Grok the following question "which nation has a worse problem with graft and corruption? Ukraine or Russia?" It responded:

Graft and corruption—encompassing bribery, embezzlement, nepotism, and state capture—are systemic challenges in both Ukraine and Russia, rooted in post-Soviet legacies of opaque governance, oligarchic influence, and weak rule of law. However, based on expert assessments and global indices, Russia faces a more severe problem. This conclusion draws primarily from the 2024 Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI) by Transparency International, which ranks 180 countries on perceived public-sector corruption (0 = highly corrupt, 100 = very clean). The CPI aggregates data from 13 sources, including the World Bank, Freedom House, and business surveys, covering perceptions from February 2023 to September 2024.

Ukraine's Situation: The score reflects modest progress from anti-corruption reforms driven by EU integration and international aid conditions, such as the ProZorro e-procurement system (which has saved billions in misappropriated funds) and prosecutions via the National Anti-Corruption Bureau. However, the war has introduced risks like opaque defense spending, and recent scandals (e.g., embezzlement in military procurement) contributed to the slight decline. Public perception remains high, with 85% of Ukrainians viewing government corruption as widespread in 2025 polls.

Russia's Situation: The lower score indicates deeper entrenchment, exacerbated by the Ukraine invasion, which has eroded transparency in institutions, boosted kleptocratic networks, and suppressed dissent (e.g., via crackdowns on independent media and NGOs). Russia's score is its worst ever, signaling accelerated degradation in accountability. It lags far behind even other high-corruption peers, with limited reforms and rampant elite capture.

Broader Insights

• Trends Over Time: Ukraine has improved significantly since 2012 (from 26 to 35), outpacing Russia's slide (from 28 to 22). Ukraine ranks ahead of Russia in other metrics, like the Index of Public Integrity, due to stronger civil society oversight and e-governance tools.
• Why Russia Ranks Worse: Authoritarian consolidation under Putin enables unchecked graft at the highest levels, including oligarch enrichment and war profiteering. Ukraine, despite flaws, has more active anti-corruption bodies and international pressure for accountability.
• Limitations: The CPI measures perceptions, not absolute corruption levels, and wartime secrecy in both countries may understate issues. For a fuller picture, combine with domestic surveys or enforcement data.

In summary, Russia has the worse problem with graft and corruption, as evidenced by its substantially lower CPI score and rank. Ukraine's challenges are serious but show glimmers of reform potential.

Sorry Charlie, Grok agrees with me.