2025 and Beyond Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

[BDKJMU]

‘ICE Watch’ tactics are zero % necessary. They only use them to follow around and obstruct ICE from conducting immigration enforcement. If these deranged liberal white women don’t follow around and obstruct ICE, they have no need for ‘tactics’.

Following ICE, blowing whistles, honking horns, etc. is not obstruction.

That doesn’t make them ‘necessary’ And those actions and others can be considered obstruction if they (Google AI)

Obstruction of law enforcement refers to actions that willfully hinder, delay, or interfere with police officers in the performance of their official duties.

[UNI88]

Following ICE, blowing whistles, honking horns, etc. is not obstruction.

That doesn’t make them ‘necessary’ And those actions and others can be considered obstruction if they (Google AI)

Obstruction of law enforcement refers to actions that willfully hinder, delay, or interfere with police officers in the performance of their official duties.

They're not hindering or delaying and the activities are generally protected under the 1st Amendment (speech, assembly). Obstruction because of following and noise requires specific intent and is very difficult for the government to prove. Constitutional protections are a high bar for the government to overcome (kind of like how the Supremacy Clause is a high bar for states to overcome). It's probably why ICE/CBP likes to pick citizens up and hold them for 48 hours and then release them without charges. They have no legal basis but they're attempting to intimidate people who oppose them.

[BDKJMU]

That doesn’t make them ‘necessary’ And those actions and others can be considered obstruction if they (Google AI)

They're not hindering or delaying and the activities are generally protected under the 1st Amendment (speech, assembly). Obstruction because of following and noise requires specific intent and is very difficult for the government to prove. Constitutional protections are a high bar for the government to overcome (kind of like how the Supremacy Clause is a high bar for states to overcome). It's probably why ICE/CBP likes to pick citizens up and hold them for 48 hours and then release them without charges. They have no legal basis but they're attempting to intimidate people who oppose them.

If it delays or makes their enforcement efforts more difficult they are delaying or hindering. Getting too close, in the way of, or presenting as a potential threat that they have to turn their attention to is delaying or hindering.

[UNI88]

They're not hindering or delaying and the activities are generally protected under the 1st Amendment (speech, assembly). Obstruction because of following and noise requires specific intent and is very difficult for the government to prove. Constitutional protections are a high bar for the government to overcome (kind of like how the Supremacy Clause is a high bar for states to overcome). It's probably why ICE/CBP likes to pick citizens up and hold them for 48 hours and then release them without charges. They have no legal basis but they're attempting to intimidate people who oppose them.

If it delays or makes their enforcement efforts more difficult they are delaying or hindering. Getting too close, in the way of, or presenting as a potential threat that they have to turn their attention to is delaying or hindering.

Most of that is pretty ambiguous and difficult to prove in court. It would need to be clear and provable for a judge and/or jury to set aside a defendant's 1st amendment rights. It's a high bar just like it is for a state to charge a federal officer.

I wonder how many citizen protesters have been detained vs how many have actually charged & tried vs how many found guilty for federal obstruction? (and those numbers are going to include people who did more than just follow and make noise but actually obstructed agents by boxing in their vehicles, hitting their vehicles, etc.)

[Caribbean Hen]

If these nutbags would simply not interfere with the legal duties if these officers, the opportunity for danger wouldn't even exist. It really is that simple.

[BDKJMU]

If these nutbags would simply not interfere with the legal duties if these officers, the opportunity for danger wouldn't even exist. It really is that simple.

Yep.

[UNI88]

If these nutbags would simply not interfere with the legal duties if these officers, the opportunity for danger wouldn't even exist. It really is that simple.

Yep.

Yea! Fvck the 1st Amendment!

Just don't complain when a future administration says fvck the 2nd Amendment.

[BDKJMU]

Yep.

Yea! Fvck the 1st Amendment!

Just don't complain when a future administration says fvck the 2nd Amendment.

So if they prevented from interfering with lawful law enforcement activitiy that somehow violates their 1A rights….Lol.

[UNI88]

Yea! Fvck the 1st Amendment!

Just don't complain when a future administration says fvck the 2nd Amendment.

So if they prevented from interfering with lawful law enforcement activitiy that somehow violates their 1A rights….Lol.

They have a 1st Amendment right to free speech, assembly, etc.

The government has to prove that their activity actually interferes with the LE activity and as I've stated it's a high bar. Following, honking horns, blowing whistles, filming agents and their activities are unlikely to rise to a level of "interference" necessary for a court to say it supersedes their 1st amendments rights. It's a high bar just like it is for a state to overcome the supremacy clause and charge a federal officer. Why do you trot that out when an ICE officer pushes the limits but get your panties in a bunch when similar constraints that protect protesters are brought up?

I'll say it again - I wonder how many citizen protesters have been detained vs how many have actually charged & tried vs how many found guilty for federal obstruction? (and those numbers are going to include people who did more than just follow and make noise but actually obstructed agents by boxing and/or hitting in their vehicles, etc.)

[Caribbean Hen]

You're one of the people who is okay with these changes, the majority of Americans disagree with you.



Much of what the protesters have done is criminal, some is not but I have no problem with them being arrested charged.

Do you have a problem with ICE/CBP agents who use excessive force, and I admit that this perception built on false narrative is completely overblown by the leftist media and their basement army of paid influencers who have never done one single good deed for their country, being arrested and charged? Answer the question - Yes or No.

Yes Of course, but not for this

If the ICE agent really wanted to murder the dangerous agitator, why didn’t he just shoot her the first time he walked around the car? he had a clear shot

The answer is he didn’t want too until he had too

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was ?

What had she been doing hours prior to this confrontation?
Was this her first interaction with that ICE agent? I doubt it

What difference does it make If the car actually hit him or not? it doesn’t make any difference, her actions put the officers life in danger

No answers from the self designated answer man aka Chang and Eng?

[UNI88]

Yes Of course, but not for this

If the ICE agent really wanted to murder the dangerous agitator, why didn’t he just shoot her the first time he walked around the car? he had a clear shot

The answer is he didn’t want too until he had too

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was ?

What had she been doing hours prior to this confrontation?
Was this her first interaction with that ICE agent? I doubt it

What difference does it make If the car actually hit him or not? it doesn’t make any difference, her actions put the officers life in danger

No answers from the self designated answer man aka Chang and Eng?

You 1) changed my post and 2) didn't answer my question and now you're wondering why I haven't responded to your verbal diarrhea?

I'll ask my question again:
Do you have a problem with ICE/CBP agents who use excessive force or break other laws being arrested and charged?- Yes or No.

Will you answer it or will you duck it like you duck criticizing trump?

[Gil Dobie]

DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement. But the agency has confirmed that Ross was seriously injured in June while trying to arrest an immigrant who had refused to get out of his car.

Court records viewed by NBC News revealed that the sequence of events that left Ross bloodied and bruised bore some similarities to the scenario that ended with Good’s death.

[UNI88]

DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement. But the agency has confirmed that Ross was seriously injured in June while trying to arrest an immigrant who had refused to get out of his car.

Court records viewed by NBC News revealed that the sequence of events that left Ross bloodied and bruised bore some similarities to the scenario that ended with Good’s death.

Should the agency have put him back in the field in that capacity? Was he mentally ready? Did they do him (and Good) a disservice?

[Gil Dobie]

DHS spokesperson Tricia McLaughlin said in a statement. But the agency has confirmed that Ross was seriously injured in June while trying to arrest an immigrant who had refused to get out of his car.

Court records viewed by NBC News revealed that the sequence of events that left Ross bloodied and bruised bore some similarities to the scenario that ended with Good’s death.

Should the agency have put him back in the field in that capacity? Was he mentally ready? Did they do him (and Good) a disservice?

Hard for me to say. Guess they were packing up his family house and appeared to have vacated his home. You just don't know what the other person is going thru or has gone thru. Politicians love it, they can play the blame game.

[Baldy]

QUNI88 and Klamdani are going to die on that hill.

Still not a conclusive angle nor clear evidence that his life was threatened. Bro needs to up his video game while he’s murdering people.

The only hill is stood on by MAGA, surrounded by every non-maga affiliated expert and rational person.

How dare he call the woman who tried to run him over a fucking bitch.

[Caribbean Hen]

No answers from the self designated answer man aka Chang and Eng?

You 1) changed my post and 2) didn't answer my question and now you're wondering why I haven't responded to your verbal diarrhea?

I'll ask my question again:
Do you have a problem with ICE/CBP agents who use excessive force or break other laws being arrested and charged?- Yes or No.

Will you answer it or will you duck it like you duck criticizing trump?

I answered your question

You better take a step back from the computer and relax for an hour or two

if you actually had an answer you would spin one up

[UNI88]

Should the agency have put him back in the field in that capacity? Was he mentally ready? Did they do him (and Good) a disservice?

Hard for me to say. Guess they were packing up his family house and appeared to have vacated his home. You just don't know what the other person is going thru or has gone thru. Politicians love it, they can play the blame game.

I think there are MAQA politicians who think it excuses/justifies what he did.

My position would be that if what happened in the past was tramatic and impacted his reaction then he might not have been ready to be back in the field. He's a law enforcement officer carrying a loaded weapon. He needs to have his head on straight and be able to react rationally and keep his cool under pressure.

[UNI88]

You're one of the people who is okay with these changes, the majority of Americans disagree with you.

Much of what the protesters have done is criminal, some is not but I have no problem with them being arrested charged.

Do you have a problem with ICE/CBP agents who use excessive force, and I admit that this perception built on false narrative is completely overblown by the leftist media and their basement army of paid influencers who have never done one single good deed for their country, being arrested and charged? Answer the question - Yes or No.

Yes Of course, but not for this

If the jack-booted thug ICE agent really wanted to murder the peacefully protesting patriot, why didn’t he just shoot her the first time he walked around the car? he had a clear shot

The answer is he didn’t want too until he had an excuse to cover up the execution.

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was ?

What had she been doing hours prior to this confrontation?
Was this her first interaction with that ICE agent? I doubt it

What difference does it make If the car actually hit him or not? It's my opinion that it doesn’t make any difference, because it's my opinion that her actions put the officers life in danger

He didn't just shoot her the first time around because that would have too obviously been cold-blooded murder.

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was? I don't know. I do know that it's a traffic violation that doesn't justify her death. Maybe it was obstruction> It if was, they had her on video and had her license plate #. They didn't need to shoot her to apprehend her.

I don't know what she was doing in the hours prior or if this was her first interaction with the agent. Is it relevant? He's a law enforcement officer - he's supposed to be trained to to be a professional, to put his personal feelings aside and de-escelate situations. Are you saying he might not have been able to act professionally because of a previous interaction?

There I answered it. Your turn ...

I'll ask this one again - what if they find that he had legitimate reason to fear for his life and his first shot was justified but they also find that his life was no longer in danger when he fired the subsequent shots. Should he be held accountable for firing those shots? What if one of those shots was the fatal shot?

[kalm]

Still not a conclusive angle nor clear evidence that his life was threatened. Bro needs to up his video game while he’s murdering people.

The only hill is stood on by MAGA, surrounded by every non-maga affiliated expert and rational person.

How dare he call the woman who tried to run him over a fucking bitch.

He’s a part of dominator culture and in no way was he going to allow a woman to emasculate him.

He’s a worthless piece of shit who fears women. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

[Caribbean Hen]

Dude, just give it up. This is your Covington Catholic #2 moment here. Trying so hard to come up with anything to excuse unexcusable behavior that got a dipshit killed. The shit you cheer on.

If you're upset about anything, be upset at the gals partner who screamed at her to "Drive! Drive!" when their ICE group tactic failed.

Both of my points are unassailable facts.

She was turning away from him as she started forward. Regardless of whether he was aware of it or not. This is quite obvious in all of the videos.

Avoiding the front and rear of a 5,000 lb vehicle is basic LE training. For rather obvious reasons. His negligence at the very least played a role in her death.

ICE group tactics are only necessary due to ICE being there and the tactics they use. Still not a capital offense.

This is your climate change, Covid, Christianity moment 687 here.

So, that doesn’t change the fact that she could have caused serious bodily harm or death to the ICE agent, you think he had time to look down at the wheels ….

[Caribbean Hen]

How dare he call the woman who tried to run him over a fucking bitch.

He’s a part of dominator culture and in no way was he going to allow a woman to emasculate him.

He’s a worthless piece of shit who fears women. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

So how long did you work for ICE?

How long have you known the ICE agent you’re lying about

[BDKJMU]

How dare he call the woman who tried to run him over a fucking bitch.

He’s a part of dominator culture and in no way was he going to allow a woman to emasculate him.

He’s a worthless piece of shit who fears women. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

And she was a worthless deranged lib TDS piece of shit who FAFOed. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

[SeattleGriz]

Dude, just give it up. This is your Covington Catholic #2 moment here. Trying so hard to come up with anything to excuse unexcusable behavior that got a dipshit killed. The shit you cheer on.

If you're upset about anything, be upset at the gals partner who screamed at her to "Drive! Drive!" when their ICE group tactic failed.

Both of my points are unassailable facts.

She was turning away from him as she started forward. Regardless of whether he was aware of it or not. This is quite obvious in all of the videos.

Avoiding the front and rear of a 5,000 lb vehicle is basic LE training. For rather obvious reasons. His negligence at the very least played a role in her death.

ICE group tactics are only necessary due to ICE being there and the tactics they use. Still not a capital offense.

This is your climate change, Covid, Christianity moment 687 here.

What the activists did was acceptable? Answer the question.

[Caribbean Hen]

Yes Of course, but not for this

If the jack-booted thug ICE agent really wanted to murder the peacefully protesting patriot, why didn’t he just shoot her the first time he walked around the car? he had a clear shot

The answer is he didn’t want too until he had an excuse to cover up the execution.

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was ?

What had she been doing hours prior to this confrontation?
Was this her first interaction with that ICE agent? I doubt it

What difference does it make If the car actually hit him or not? It's my opinion that it doesn’t make any difference, because it's my opinion that her actions put the officers life in danger

He didn't just shoot her the first time around because that would have too obviously been cold-blooded murder.

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was? I don't know. I do know that it's a traffic violation that doesn't justify her death. Maybe it was obstruction> It if was, they had her on video and had her license plate #. They didn't need to shoot her to apprehend her.

I don't know what she was doing in the hours prior or if this was her first interaction with the agent. Is it relevant? He's a law enforcement officer - he's supposed to be trained to to be a professional, to put his personal feelings aside and de-escelate situations. Are you saying he might not have been able to act professionally because of a previous interaction?

There I answered it. Your turn ...

I'll ask this one again - what if they find that he had legitimate reason to fear for his life and his first shot was justified but they also find that his life was no longer in danger when he fired the subsequent shots. Should he be held accountable for firing those shots? What if one of those shots was the fatal shot?

Once she attempted to squash the Agent with her vehicle she became not only a threat to the Agent and other Agents, but a threat to everyone else in the area, including civilians.

Why did she say “I’m not mad at you?” To the Agent? Could it have been because she was threatening that officer earlier?

Do you and klamdami hold instructional sessions that teach liberal white ladies aka ICE Witches how to maximize their obnoxious, disrespectful, entitled and embarrassing behavior …

[SeattleGriz]

I don't have a problem with law enforcement. They have always treated me as I would expect to be treated. ICE is going after lawbreakers and wading thru protesters.

Of course there are a few bad apples in every group, but law enforcement has been good to me.

They’ve been great to me, Gil but wholly anecdotal! There’s a metric crap ton of video evidence showing ICE acting like thugs. There are hundreds of US citizens who have been detained and even some jailed mistakenly. There are a number of judges who have pointed to ICE and DHS being untruthful.

ICE is not the same law enforcement that you and I have dealt with. They are a rogue organization that continuously displays a lack of training and conflict resolution.

This is just full blown retardation. Provide the examples of this crap ton. Video or STFU.