2025 and Beyond Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

[SeattleGriz]

He didn't just shoot her the first time around because that would have too obviously been cold-blooded murder.

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was? I don't know. I do know that it's a traffic violation that doesn't justify her death. Maybe it was obstruction> It if was, they had her on video and had her license plate #. They didn't need to shoot her to apprehend her.

I don't know what she was doing in the hours prior or if this was her first interaction with the agent. Is it relevant? He's a law enforcement officer - he's supposed to be trained to to be a professional, to put his personal feelings aside and de-escelate situations. Are you saying he might not have been able to act professionally because of a previous interaction?

There I answered it. Your turn ...

I'll ask this one again - what if they find that he had legitimate reason to fear for his life and his first shot was justified but they also find that his life was no longer in danger when he fired the subsequent shots. Should he be held accountable for firing those shots? What if one of those shots was the fatal shot?

Once she attempted to squash the Agent with her vehicle she became not only a threat to the Agent and other Agents, but a threat to everyone else in the area, including civilians.

Why did she say “I’m not mad at you?” To the Agent? Could it have been because she was threatening that officer earlier?

Do you and klamdami hold instructional sessions that teach liberal white ladies aka ICE Witches how to maximize their obnoxious, disrespectful, entitled and embarrassing behavior …

UNI is cool with the partner directing her to ,"Drive!" and then pick up a cool million via online donation for such advice.

[UNI88]

He didn't just shoot her the first time around because that would have too obviously been cold-blooded murder.

Why was her car on the road at the angle it was? I don't know. I do know that it's a traffic violation that doesn't justify her death. Maybe it was obstruction> It if was, they had her on video and had her license plate #. They didn't need to shoot her to apprehend her.

I don't know what she was doing in the hours prior or if this was her first interaction with the agent. Is it relevant? He's a law enforcement officer - he's supposed to be trained to to be a professional, to put his personal feelings aside and de-escelate situations. Are you saying he might not have been able to act professionally because of a previous interaction?

There I answered it. Your turn ...

I'll ask this one again - what if they find that he had legitimate reason to fear for his life and his first shot was justified but they also find that his life was no longer in danger when he fired the subsequent shots. Should he be held accountable for firing those shots? What if one of those shots was the fatal shot?

Once she attempted to squeeze past the Agent with her vehicle without harming him she became not only a threat to emasculate the Agent and other Agents, but a threat to every other wannabe alpha male in the area, including civilians.

Why did he say “fucking bitch!” after he executed her? Could it have been because he has PTSD and shouldn't be in the field?

Do you and klamdami hold instructional sessions that teach liberal white ladies aka ICE Witches how to maximize their obnoxious, disrespectful, entitled and embarrassing behavior …

I just tell liberal white ladies to watch videos of trump complaining about the 2020 election being stolen, him being the victim of a witch hunt/ lawfare to help them learn how to act like Karens. They pick it up really quickly watching lil donnie.

That's some MAQA twitter here bullsh!t there. Are you squatting in your dad's basement or just getting your information from someone who is?

[UNI88]

Once she attempted to squash the Agent with her vehicle she became not only a threat to the Agent and other Agents, but a threat to everyone else in the area, including civilians.

Why did she say “I’m not mad at you?” To the Agent? Could it have been because she was threatening that officer earlier?

Do you and klamdami hold instructional sessions that teach liberal white ladies aka ICE Witches how to maximize their obnoxious, disrespectful, entitled and embarrassing behavior …

UNI is cool with the partner directing her to ,"Drive!" and then pick up a cool million via online donation for such advice.

Are you moralizing again?

Should we compare what Renee Good's widow did to what charlie kirk's widow did when fundraising hit $1.5 million?

[UNI88]

Catholic Vice President Vance takes to social media to justify killing of Renee Good

In times past, a politician might offer thoughts and prayers, encourage those reacting to wait for the full results of the investigation and generally try to lower the temperature. A leader might take the opportunity provided by a fresh day to soothe the broken heart of a nation and appeal to the better angels among us.

JD Vance went in a different direction.
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As a Catholic, Vance knows better than to peddle this brand of gaslighting and agitation. Vance knows that, by virtue of her humanity, Good was endowed with inherent dignity, made in the image and likeness of God. Vance knows that only God can take life. Vance knows that protesting, fleeing or even interfering in an ICE investigation (which there is no evidence that Good did) does not carry a death sentence. Vance knows that lying and killing are sins.

Vance knows. He doesn't care. Vance’s twisted and wrongheaded view of Christianity has been repudiated by two popes. His Catholicism seems to be little more than a political prop, a tool only for his career ambitions and desire for power.

The vice president's comments justifying the death of Renee Good are a moral stain on the collective witness of our Catholic faith. His repeated attempts to blame Good for her own death are fundamentally incompatible with the Gospel. Our only recourse is to pray for his conversion of heart.

[Caribbean Hen]

Once she attempted to squeeze past the Agent with her vehicle without harming him she became not only a threat to emasculate the Agent and other Agents, but a threat to every other wannabe alpha male in the area, including civilians.

Why did he say “fucking bitch!” after he executed her? Could it have been because he has PTSD and shouldn't be in the field?

Do you and klamdami hold instructional sessions that teach liberal white ladies aka ICE Witches how to maximize their obnoxious, disrespectful, entitled and embarrassing behavior …

I just tell liberal white ladies to watch videos of trump complaining about the 2020 election being stolen, him being the victim of a witch hunt/ lawfare to help them learn how to act like Karens. They pick it up really quickly watching lil donnie.

That's some MAQA twitter here bullsh!t there. Are you squatting in your dad's basement or just getting your information from someone who is?

What information are you talking about

I can tell you I didn’t get it from twitter

[SeattleGriz]

UNI is cool with the partner directing her to ,"Drive!" and then pick up a cool million via online donation for such advice.

Are you moralizing again?

Should we compare what Renee Good's widow did to what charlie kirk's widow did when fundraising hit $1.5 million?

How are the two even comparable?

Let's go hotshot. Were Renee's actions allowable?

[UNI88]

Are you moralizing again?

Should we compare what Renee Good's widow did to what charlie kirk's widow did when fundraising hit $1.5 million?

How are the two even comparable?

Let's go hotshot. Were Renee's actions allowable?

When Renee Good's fundraiser hit $1.5 million, the organizers shut it down and posted this message:

“Thank you for your generosity. We’ve closed this GoFundMe and will place the funds in a trust for the family. If you’re looking to donate, we encourage you to support others in need. We’re truly grateful.”

When charlie kirk's fundraisers hit $1.5 million, they kept them going and have raised approximately $9.5 million. Add that to insurance and other donations plus the marital assets that now belong to her and erika is probably worth north of $30 million. She didn't need the $9.5 million. It was a grift.

Warning: I might be moralizing here - guess which approach I find to be more in line with Christ's teachings?


Only a fair and impartial investigation will tell us whether Renee Good's or Jonathan Ross' actions were allowable. Unfortunately, with the FBI freezing out the Minnesota BCA, it doesn't look like we're going to get one.

[kalm]

Both of my points are unassailable facts.

She was turning away from him as she started forward. Regardless of whether he was aware of it or not. This is quite obvious in all of the videos.

Avoiding the front and rear of a 5,000 lb vehicle is basic LE training. For rather obvious reasons. His negligence at the very least played a role in her death.

ICE group tactics are only necessary due to ICE being there and the tactics they use. Still not a capital offense.

This is your climate change, Covid, Christianity moment 687 here.

So, that doesn’t change the fact that she could have caused serious bodily harm or death to the ICE agent, you think he had time to look down at the wheels ….

Do you have time to re-read my post?

[kalm]

Both of my points are unassailable facts.

She was turning away from him as she started forward. Regardless of whether he was aware of it or not. This is quite obvious in all of the videos.

Avoiding the front and rear of a 5,000 lb vehicle is basic LE training. For rather obvious reasons. His negligence at the very least played a role in her death.

ICE group tactics are only necessary due to ICE being there and the tactics they use. Still not a capital offense.

This is your climate change, Covid, Christianity moment 687 here.

What the activists did was acceptable? Answer the question.

Acceptable to what, whom? Acceptable to not best? Acceptable to be detained? Acceptable to me personally?

Ask better questions you lazy ogre.

[kalm]

He’s a part of dominator culture and in no way was he going to allow a woman to emasculate him.

He’s a worthless piece of shit who fears women. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

So how long did you work for ICE?

How long have you known the ICE agent you’re lying about

No man with self respect and principles acts like this. They are insecure.

[UNI88]

We talked to 5 use-of-force experts. This is what they say about the Minneapolis ICE shooting

Here is a breakdown of the key issues raised by the shooting.

The Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and the FBI were discussing a joint investigation in the hours after the shooting, but BCA officials later announced that federal officials had decided to operate independently and would not be sharing information.

Legal experts said it is unusual for federal officials to investigate without teaming up with local authorities, in part because they want to prevent any bias from tainting the results.
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Legal experts were stunned at the rapid response by top federal officials to the incident in Minneapolis, with Noem publicly defending the shooting and calling Good’s actions “domestic terrorism.” The experts said authorities typically refrain from such comments before conducting an investigation because they don’t want to sway the investigation.

“I think that was wildly irresponsible,” said Seth Stoughton, a law professor at the University of South Carolina. “There are certainly situations where there is significant evidence that might suggest an early conclusion, but even in those cases no responsible agency will announce what appears to be a definitive conclusion prior to a full investigation.”

Legal experts said most departments train officers to refrain from shooting at a moving vehicle, in part because of the danger such action could pose to officers and others in the surrounding area if the driver was incapacitated.

“Most police departments in the country — including Hennepin County — have policies that prohibit officers from firing at moving vehicles,” Gross said. “There are very few narrow exceptions to that rule.”

In many jurisdictions, experts said, the vehicle itself would not be considered a weapon unless someone is using it in a mass casualty event, such as driving a truck into a crowd of people.

Dennis Kenney, a professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York, said such rules proliferated because shooting at a moving car doesn’t stop the car and often forces the driver to lose control of the vehicle.

That’s what happened this week in Minneapolis, Kenney noted. Good’s car continued moving forward and struck at least one other vehicle. Experts said the car could have easily hit a bystander.
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Four of the experts who spoke to the Star Tribune had seen videos that documented the encounter. None of the experts said the available evidence proved the shooting was justified.

“I would say it’s a bad shooting,” Kenney said. “In my view, the video shows the officer who did the shooting deliberately moved himself into a blocking position and clearly had time to get out of the way — because he did.”

Gross agreed, saying he saw nothing in the publicly available videos that would justify deadly force.

“I don’t see how anybody who is a conscientious member of law enforcement could view that video and not have serious concerns about what the officer did,” Gross said.

Mylan Masson, a retired Minneapolis police officer who directed police training programs in Minnesota, said she views the shooting as “questionable” because the investigation is ongoing and not all of the relevant facts are known.

Jeffrey Noble, a former deputy police chief in Irvine, Calif., said a “reasonable officer” would have taken a step or two away from the vehicle to get out of harm’s way. “He didn’t do that,” Noble said.

All of the experts agreed that local authorities could prosecute the ICE agent if the evidence warrants criminal charges, even if federal authorities find his actions to be justified.

[SeattleGriz]

How are the two even comparable?

Let's go hotshot. Were Renee's actions allowable?

When Renee Good's fundraiser hit $1.5 million, the organizers shut it down and posted this message:

“Thank you for your generosity. We’ve closed this GoFundMe and will place the funds in a trust for the family. If you’re looking to donate, we encourage you to support others in need. We’re truly grateful.”

When charlie kirk's fundraisers hit $1.5 million, they kept them going and have raised approximately $9.5 million. Add that to insurance and other donations plus the marital assets that now belong to her and erika is probably worth north of $30 million. She didn't need the $9.5 million. It was a grift.

Warning: I might be moralizing here - guess which approach I find to be more in line with Christ's teachings?


Only a fair and impartial investigation will tell us whether Renee Good's or Jonathan Ross' actions were allowable. Unfortunately, with the FBI freezing out the Minnesota BCA, it doesn't look like we're going to get one.

Total fucking cop out. Disgusting ghoul. You got your dead body.

[SeattleGriz]

What the activists did was acceptable? Answer the question.

Acceptable to what, whom? Acceptable to not best? Acceptable to be detained? Acceptable to me personally?

Ask better questions you lazy ogre.

You know exactly what I'm asking, but you prefer to act stupid.

Put up or shut up. Were the actions of the ladies acceptable?

[BDKJMU]

We talked to 5 use-of-force experts who would criticize the agents actions, 3 professors, and 2 retired blue state LEOs, from around the country. We excluded all those who said the agents actions were justified.

Yep. From the Commie Star Tribune I would expect nothing different.

[kalm]

Acceptable to what, whom? Acceptable to not best? Acceptable to be detained? Acceptable to me personally?

Ask better questions you lazy ogre.

You know exactly what I'm asking, but you prefer to act stupid.

Put up or shut up. Were the actions of the ladies acceptable?

In defense of their civil rights? Yes.
If Good wasn’t intentionally obstructing. Yes.
Intentionally as protestors? Yes. Could they be detained, jailed, and prosecuted for it? Yes.
Is civil disobedience a legit form of protest against tyranny and authoritarianism with a long and noble history? You bet your sweet ass.

Your question still sucks. Do better.

[UNI88]

We talked to 5 use-of-force experts who would criticize the agents actions, 3 professors, and 2 retired blue state LEOs, from around the country. We excluded all those who said the agents actions were justified.

Yep. From the Commie Star Tribune I would expect nothing different.

Af Hominem attack.


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[Baldy]

How dare he call the woman who tried to run him over a fucking bitch.

He’s a part of dominator culture and in no way was he going to allow a woman to emasculate him.

He’s a worthless piece of shit who fears women. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

Could you please post reliable unbiased sources to back up your claims?

Thank you.

[Baldy]

He’s a part of dominator culture and in no way was he going to allow a woman to emasculate him.

He’s a worthless piece of shit who fears women. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

And she was a worthless deranged lib TDS piece of shit who FAFOed. Sorry this isn’t apparent to you.

[Caribbean Hen]

So, that doesn’t change the fact that she could have caused serious bodily harm or death to the ICE agent, you think he had time to look down at the wheels ….

Do you have time to re-read my post?

Let’s see the report

And you deflected away once again from your baseless claim about she was turning the wheels, therefore he had no right to defend himself

Total Klamdami behavior

[kalm]

Do you have time to re-read my post?

Let’s see the report

And you deflected away once again from your baseless claim about she was turning the wheels, therefore he had no right to defend himself

Total Klamdami behavior

Info is in the article. It’s an example from the CBP regarding agents tendencies to escalate by standing in front of vehicles. All LE training incudes this along with shooting at a moving vehicle for obvious reasons. It endangers the lives of the agent, other agents, and bystanders.

You are missing the point. Badly. He ignored LE training and and put himself in danger. He should never have been in that position in the first place nor fire at the driver of a moving vehicle. If he didn’t notice the wheels turned away from him, new footage shows how he should have seen the driver turning the steering wheel away from him. It was literally right in front of him as he drew his weapon and continued to film.

[kalm]

This guy.

Well worth the watch with a surprise appearance at the end. He has the CBP agents laughing.

[SeattleGriz]

You know exactly what I'm asking, but you prefer to act stupid.

Put up or shut up. Were the actions of the ladies acceptable?

In defense of their civil rights? Yes.
If Good wasn’t intentionally obstructing. Yes.
Intentionally as protestors? Yes. Could they be detained, jailed, and prosecuted for it? Yes.
Is civil disobedience a legit form of protest against tyranny and authoritarianism with a long and noble history? You bet your sweet ass.

Your question still sucks. Do better.

Your dipshit thinking got a woman killed. You do better.

She was in the wrong, but a death never stops you from virtue signalling bullshit.

[SeattleGriz]

Let’s see the report

And you deflected away once again from your baseless claim about she was turning the wheels, therefore he had no right to defend himself

Total Klamdami behavior

Info is in the article. It’s an example from the CBP regarding agents tendencies to escalate by standing in front of vehicles. All LE training incudes this along with shooting at a moving vehicle for obvious reasons. It endangers the lives of the agent, other agents, and bystanders.

You are missing the point. Badly. He ignored LE training and and put himself in danger. He should never have been in that position in the first place nor fire at the driver of a moving vehicle. If he didn’t notice the wheels turned away from him, new footage shows how he should have seen the driver turning the steering wheel away from him. It was literally right in front of him as he drew his weapon and continued to film.

You don't know shit about what LE is supposed to do.

[kalm]

Info is in the article. It’s an example from the CBP regarding agents tendencies to escalate by standing in front of vehicles. All LE training incudes this along with shooting at a moving vehicle for obvious reasons. It endangers the lives of the agent, other agents, and bystanders.

You are missing the point. Badly. He ignored LE training and and put himself in danger. He should never have been in that position in the first place nor fire at the driver of a moving vehicle. If he didn’t notice the wheels turned away from him, new footage shows how he should have seen the driver turning the steering wheel away from him. It was literally right in front of him as he drew his weapon and continued to film.

You don't know shit about what LE is supposed to do.

Desperate.

[kalm]

Where all of you MAGA dummies got your marching orders.