European Refugee "Crisis"...

[Ibanez]

Btw, this is all further evidence of what a shit hole the Middle East is. Muslim leaders have to understand that their draconian way of life is failing. What good is it to lead a country if there's nobody there?

Every once in a while, despite being a self-proclaimed lover of history, you really don't understand a thing about history.

All throughout time, when things got bad at home and you needed more resources, you'd simply invade your neighbor. The over population would either get killed or you'd expand your territory.

Right now, the Middle East is getting rid of the excess people. Yup, those people that the ruling families do not want to share the wealth with.

Think of it this way...if a bunch of Black people were fleeing the South because of racial violence (violence committed by the KKK), would the KKK believe that their draconian tactics were failing?

Given that, do you really think the families of the ruling class in the Middle East care if a million refugees leave their countries? In fact, the wealthy Arab countries are PAYING to have the refugees go elsewhere. They don't want the Syrians...heck, they hardly want their own people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34173139" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From your article

Furthermore, Gulf elites feel this mess would never have happened in the first place had the West done something sooner to deal with Mr Assad and his regime. Pleas from Western diplomats are likely to fall on deaf ears.

Police your own. It's a catch-22. We go in, we're invaders and it's "Death to America." We stay out and it's our fault.

[YoUDeeMan]

Like always, you read what you want. Is the ME not a shit hole with draconian laws?

Or did you only focus on my comment that what's the point of leading people if there's no one to lead? Of course it's about power and wealth. My comment wasn't a statement of fact, it was just a comment.

I can admit to putting it all on sharia laws, but what's the root cause of it all? Religion. ISIS isn't fighting for more water or because they have more fertile farm lands. They are fighting because of Religion.


Understanding of history? I understand crystal fucking clear.

Uh, no you don't.

The Middle East is not a shithole for their leaders. In fact, it is a paradise for many.

You seem to have forgotten that Syria, Libya, and Iraq were far more secular, with far more lenient laws as they relate to religion, than their wealthier Saudi/UAE/big oil brothers. Syria, Libya, and Iraq, the very centers of today's refugee crisis, got whacked and turned into shitholes simply because they didn't agree with the good ol' US of A.

The fighting in each of those countries was NOT precipitated by ISIS, and had NOTHING to do with any draconian sharia laws. Most of the refugees are not fleeing sharia laws as most of the population of each of those countries does NOT live under those laws...they are fleeing the fighting...as people do from any war zone.

[YoUDeeMan]

From your article

Furthermore, Gulf elites feel this mess would never have happened in the first place had the West done something sooner to deal with Mr Assad and his regime. Pleas from Western diplomats are likely to fall on deaf ears.

Police your own. It's a catch-22. We go in, we're invaders and it's "Death to America." We stay out and it's our fault.

I agree...police your own.

The key word in that quote was, "sooner." The so called Gulf elites wanted Assad gone...period. They wanted him out by force. Of course, by OUR FORCE. Of course, we wanted him out, too. For a pipeline (despite what CID says).

We aren't caught in a Catch-22. There was no, "stay out" in the Gulf elites' eyes, and there was no stay out in our oil eyes. The rest is a show...a distraction. That's all it is.

[Ibanez]

Like always, you read what you want. Is the ME not a shit hole with draconian laws?

Or did you only focus on my comment that what's the point of leading people if there's no one to lead? Of course it's about power and wealth. My comment wasn't a statement of fact, it was just a comment.

I can admit to putting it all on sharia laws, but what's the root cause of it all? Religion. ISIS isn't fighting for more water or because they have more fertile farm lands. They are fighting because of Religion.


Understanding of history? I understand crystal fucking clear.

Uh, no you don't.

The Middle East is not a shithole for their leaders. In fact, it is a paradise for many.

You seem to have forgotten that Syria, Libya, and Iraq were far more secular, with far more lenient laws as they relate to religion, than their wealthier Saudi/UAE/big oil brothers. Syria, Libya, and Iraq, the very centers of today's refugee crisis, got whacked and turned into shitholes simply because they didn't agree with the good ol' US of A.

The fighting in each of those countries was NOT precipitated by ISIS, and had NOTHING to do with any draconian sharia laws. Most of the refugees are not fleeing sharia laws as most of the population of each of those countries does NOT live under those laws...they are fleeing the fighting...as people do from any war zone.

I admit I'm wrong with the sharia law. I'm man enough. But you are ignoring, or aren't mentioning why they are fighting...the root cause. And I didn't say they were precipitated by ISIS. I just gave an example.


The month I spent in Iraq, Kuwait and Jordan showed me how shitty they are. Kuwait has some nice places, near the capital.

[Ibanez]

From your article



Police your own. It's a catch-22. We go in, we're invaders and it's "Death to America." We stay out and it's our fault.

I agree...police your own.

The key word in that quote was, "sooner." The so called Gulf elites wanted Assad gone...period. They wanted him out by force. Of course, by OUR FORCE. Of course, we wanted him out, too. For a pipeline (despite what CID says).

We aren't caught in a Catch-22. There was no, "stay out" in the Gulf elites' eyes, and there was no stay out in our oil eyes. The rest is a show...a distraction. That's all it is.

I respectfully disagree. Any US Involvement in the Middle East will be met with both praise and condemnation.

[Ibanez]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/opinions/ ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They are a new and growing phenomenon. Of the 58 cases, nearly two thirds of the defections took place in the year 2015. One third happened during the summer months alone.

[YoUDeeMan]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/21/opinions/ ... index.html

They are a new and growing phenomenon. Of the 58 cases, nearly two thirds of the defections took place in the year 2015. One third happened during the summer months alone.

Holy Bacon, Batman....a whopping 58 defectors...with 4 different narratives. And they came to the surprising conclusion that ISIS is killing Muslins, not protecting them.

CNN believes that is an important article.

Conclusions, from 58 people who went to die for a cause:

1) They found out ISIS wasn't trying to directly oust Assad. Hello. The goal of ISIS was never to simply oust Assad. Where in God's name did these idiots get that idea? Sure, eventually they want to control the whole region, but they will knock out any other group that gets in their way first.

2) They left because of the brutality.

3) They left because ISIS was unfair, and demonstrated inequality and racism. Oh...and they didn't like some of their commanders.

4) They didn't get the cars and other luxury goods they were promised.

In other words, less than 5 dozen ignorant, potential killers, out of the thousands of ISIS recruits, simply found out that war is hell and unfair.

Gosh...if we could only get the word out, all wars would stop.

[AZGrizFan]

The world is showing Obama how illegal immigrants should be treated.

A refugee isn't an illegal immigrant.

So why don't all those poor Mehicans just call themselves refugees instead?

[BDKJMU]

Swiss doing it right.

European nation votes to cap population at 10M in major immigration crackdown referendum
Swiss People's Party gathered enough petition signatures to force June 14 referendum as foreign-born residents now make up 27% of population

Switzerland is set to vote this summer on a proposal aimed at capping the country’s population at 10 million, the latest effort by the nation’s leading right-wing party to restrict immigration.

The Swiss People’s Party (SVP), which holds the most seats in parliament, announced the referendum on Wednesday after gathering enough support through petition signatures.

The measure, which will be put on the national ballot on June 14, comes just as the population neared 9.1 million, according to the Federal Statistics Office….

……The SVP, which has long sought to curb rising migration, said that more than 1 million immigrants from the European Union (EU) came to Switzerland in 2024.

The party called the situation "uncontrolled immigration," saying that "the majority of the Swiss population suffers" from increased demand on environmental resources and infrastructure.

"Our small country is bursting at the seams," the party said. "Nature is being paved over. There are ever more traffic jams on the roads, overburdened public transport, overburdened schools, housing shortage and rising rents, massively increasing crime and exploding costs for Swiss taxpayers."

the measure is enshrined into law, both Swiss citizens and foreign residents must not exceed a total population of 10 million before 2050.

If the population reaches 9.5 million before then, the government may take steps to curb growth by introducing measures on asylum and family reunification, noting that many immigrants — primarily Muslim men from North Africa, the Middle East, and Afghanistan — enter through asylum applications...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/european- ... referendum

[GannonFan]

Swiss doing it right.

European nation votes to cap population at 10M in major immigration crackdown referendum
Swiss People's Party gathered enough petition signatures to force June 14 referendum as foreign-born residents now make up 27% of population

Switzerland is set to vote this summer on a proposal aimed at capping the country’s population at 10 million, the latest effort by the nation’s leading right-wing party to restrict immigration.

The Swiss People’s Party (SVP), which holds the most seats in parliament, announced the referendum on Wednesday after gathering enough support through petition signatures.

The measure, which will be put on the national ballot on June 14, comes just as the population neared 9.1 million, according to the Federal Statistics Office….

……The SVP, which has long sought to curb rising migration, said that more than 1 million immigrants from the European Union (EU) came to Switzerland in 2024.

The party called the situation "uncontrolled immigration," saying that "the majority of the Swiss population suffers" from increased demand on environmental resources and infrastructure.

"Our small country is bursting at the seams," the party said. "Nature is being paved over. There are ever more traffic jams on the roads, overburdened public transport, overburdened schools, housing shortage and rising rents, massively increasing crime and exploding costs for Swiss taxpayers."

the measure is enshrined into law, both Swiss citizens and foreign residents must not exceed a total population of 10 million before 2050.

If the population reaches 9.5 million before then, the government may take steps to curb growth by introducing measures on asylum and family reunification, noting that many immigrants — primarily Muslim men from North Africa, the Middle East, and Afghanistan — enter through asylum applications...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/european- ... referendum

Nonsense. Economic growth is helped by population growth. There's nothing wrong with immigrants and immigration if done well and if done in a controlled manner. The type of immigration that causes political strife is when it's uncontrolled at the border and swaths of immigrants enter the country without vetting or procedures. Also, when government disregards or can't control visa overstays or when government liberally abuses asylum or temporary status categories. Immigration is one reason why the US remains today as the greatest source of growth and innovation in the world in practically all economic measures. With the proper controls in place and followed, immigration is a gold mine for the US. Also, we have a lot more room for immigrants than Switzerland does.

[kalm]

Swiss doing it right.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/european- ... referendum

Nonsense. Economic growth is helped by population growth. There's nothing wrong with immigrants and immigration if done well and if done in a controlled manner. The type of immigration that causes political strife is when it's uncontrolled at the border and swaths of immigrants enter the country without vetting or procedures. Also, when government disregards or can't control visa overstays or when government liberally abuses asylum or temporary status categories. Immigration is one reason why the US remains today as the greatest source of growth and innovation in the world in practically all economic measures. With the proper controls in place and followed, immigration is a gold mine for the US. Also, we have a lot more room for immigrants than Switzerland does.

Good post.

[UNI88]

Nonsense. Economic growth is helped by population growth. There's nothing wrong with immigrants and immigration if done well and if done in a controlled manner. The type of immigration that causes political strife is when it's uncontrolled at the border and swaths of immigrants enter the country without vetting or procedures. Also, when government disregards or can't control visa overstays or when government liberally abuses asylum or temporary status categories. Immigration is one reason why the US remains today as the greatest source of growth and innovation in the world in practically all economic measures. With the proper controls in place and followed, immigration is a gold mine for the US. Also, we have a lot more room for immigrants than Switzerland does.

Good post.

Yes it was.

Is BDK advocating for abortion and/or a CCP One Child type policy if we reach a certain population level? Or has he not thought through the potential ramifications of a population cap?

[Caribbean Hen]

Swiss doing it right.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/european- ... referendum

Nonsense. Economic growth is helped by population growth. There's nothing wrong with immigrants and immigration if done well and if done in a controlled manner. The type of immigration that causes political strife is when it's uncontrolled at the border and swaths of immigrants enter the country without vetting or procedures. Also, when government disregards or can't control visa overstays or when government liberally abuses asylum or temporary status categories. Immigration is one reason why the US remains today as the greatest source of growth and innovation in the world in practically all economic measures. With the proper controls in place and followed, immigration is a gold mine for the US. Also, we have a lot more room for immigrants than Switzerland does.

Unfortunately, Joey and the Radicals weren’t signing in tune with your post .. They did it all wrong by turning there backs on the open border and lying to the American people every single day about it

[GannonFan]

Nonsense. Economic growth is helped by population growth. There's nothing wrong with immigrants and immigration if done well and if done in a controlled manner. The type of immigration that causes political strife is when it's uncontrolled at the border and swaths of immigrants enter the country without vetting or procedures. Also, when government disregards or can't control visa overstays or when government liberally abuses asylum or temporary status categories. Immigration is one reason why the US remains today as the greatest source of growth and innovation in the world in practically all economic measures. With the proper controls in place and followed, immigration is a gold mine for the US. Also, we have a lot more room for immigrants than Switzerland does.

Unfortunately, Joey and the Radicals weren’t signing in tune with your post .. They did it all wrong by turning there backs on the open border and lying to the American people every single day about it

I don't disagree. We even saw it on here with a poster or two (not kalmie nor UNI) who actually advocated for open borders. There was certainly a wing of the Democratic party that believed, and still probably believes, in that principle. And yes, the Biden administration was not truthful in what they were or weren't doing in that regard.

However, all of this stretches back over multiple administrations from both sides of the aisle and multiple sessions of Congress where immigration and immigration reform has not been seriously debated and resolved. Both sides have been more than happy to use the issue as a cudgel in elections while not doing anything concrete once in power to resolve. And even worse, both parties have temporarily catered to the extreme elements in their party regarding immigration while staying away from real reforms. And the problem still remains. That's why you get open borders during Biden's admin and shooting people in the street in Trump's and that's why you get posts like that from BDK that seem to think capping the population to a number is actually a good idea.

[BDKJMU]

Swiss doing it right.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/european- ... referendum

Nonsense. Economic growth is helped by population growth. There's nothing wrong with immigrants and immigration if done well and if done in a controlled manner. The type of immigration that causes political strife is when it's uncontrolled at the border and swaths of immigrants enter the country without vetting or procedures. Also, when government disregards or can't control visa overstays or when government liberally abuses asylum or temporary status categories. Immigration is one reason why the US remains today as the greatest source of growth and innovation in the world in practically all economic measures. With the proper controls in place and followed, immigration is a gold mine for the US. Also, we have a lot more room for immigrants than Switzerland does.

Letting in 1 million into a country in one year of what was 8+ million sounds exactly like what you described above. It would be like the US letting in 40+ million into ONE YEAR. .

So the Swiss crackdown by the right IS doing it right in response to the unfettered not doing it right by the left (assuming a center left or left party was in control of Switzerland in 2024. I really don‘t know as I don‘t follow Swiss politics lol).

Everytime you see mass unfettered migration in a European country like you have in spurts since 2015, you see a response of the right gaining more power. Heck, that’s what happened in the US. If the Autopen doesn‘t let in 10+ million into 4 years Trump probably doesn‘t win.

[UNI88]

Unfortunately, Joey and the Radicals weren’t signing in tune with your post .. They did it all wrong by turning there backs on the open border and lying to the American people every single day about it

I don't disagree. We even saw it on here with a poster or two (not kalmie nor UNI) who actually advocated for open borders. There was certainly a wing of the Democratic party that believed, and still probably believes, in that principle. And yes, the Biden administration was not truthful in what they were or weren't doing in that regard.

However, all of this stretches back over multiple administrations from both sides of the aisle and multiple sessions of Congress where immigration and immigration reform has not been seriously debated and resolved. Both sides have been more than happy to use the issue as a cudgel in elections while not doing anything concrete once in power to resolve. And even worse, both parties have temporarily catered to the extreme elements in their party regarding immigration while staying away from real reforms. And the problem still remains. That's why you get open borders during Biden's admin and shooting people in the street in Trump's and that's why you get posts like that from BDK that seem to think capping the population to a number is actually a good idea.

The flip side of that is that now trump and the Extremists have flipped it 180 degrees the other way and are doing it all wrong by scaring away many of the best and the brightest from other countries.

[Caribbean Hen]

Unfortunately, Joey and the Radicals weren’t signing in tune with your post .. They did it all wrong by turning there backs on the open border and lying to the American people every single day about it

I don't disagree. We even saw it on here with a poster or two (not kalmie nor UNI) who actually advocated for open borders. There was certainly a wing of the Democratic party that believed, and still probably believes, in that principle. And yes, the Biden administration was not truthful in what they were or weren't doing in that regard.

However, all of this stretches back over multiple administrations from both sides of the aisle and multiple sessions of Congress where immigration and immigration reform has not been seriously debated and resolved. Both sides have been more than happy to use the issue as a cudgel in elections while not doing anything concrete once in power to resolve. And even worse, both parties have temporarily catered to the extreme elements in their party regarding immigration while staying away from real reforms. And the problem still remains. That's why you get open borders during Biden's admin and shooting people in the street in Trump's and that's why you get posts like that from BDK that seem to think capping the population to a number is actually a good idea.

If it’s like this in Switzerland, immigration needs to be tightened up to a trickle. US situation obviously much different, I’m not opposed to immigration at all but nothing like JoeBozo did

“Our small country is bursting at the seams," the party said. "Nature is being paved over. There are ever more traffic jams on the roads, overburdened public transport, overburdened schools, housing shortage and rising rents, massively increasing crime and exploding costs for Swiss taxpayers."

[BDKJMU]

I don't disagree. We even saw it on here with a poster or two (not kalmie nor UNI) who actually advocated for open borders. There was certainly a wing of the Democratic party that believed, and still probably believes, in that principle. And yes, the Biden administration was not truthful in what they were or weren't doing in that regard.

However, all of this stretches back over multiple administrations from both sides of the aisle and multiple sessions of Congress where immigration and immigration reform has not been seriously debated and resolved. Both sides have been more than happy to use the issue as a cudgel in elections while not doing anything concrete once in power to resolve. And even worse, both parties have temporarily catered to the extreme elements in their party regarding immigration while staying away from real reforms. And the problem still remains. That's why you get open borders during Biden's admin and shooting people in the street in Trump's and that's why you get posts like that from BDK that seem to think capping the population to a number is actually a good idea.

If it’s like this in Switzerland, immigration needs to be tightened up to a trickle. US situation obviously much different, I’m not opposed to immigration at all but nothing like JoeBozo did

“Our small country is bursting at the seams," the party said. "Nature is being paved over. There are ever more traffic jams on the roads, overburdened public transport, overburdened schools, housing shortage and rising rents, massively increasing crime and exploding costs for Swiss taxpayers."

Exactly. You 1st need to control your borders and have an orderly, controlled process for legal immigration. I think a proper # would be around 5% of your population per year IF you don‘t have a mass # of illegals already present. For the US that would be 1.5+ million per year after mass deportations were carried out. Under AutoPen net illegal + legal was 2x that.

[BDKJMU]

[Caribbean Hen]

Marco is a Rock Star and a great spokesman for the U.S.A.

[UNI88]

Probably more accurate than a tweet from a MAQA twitter hero ...

‘The best we can hope for’: Rubio’s Munich unity appeal fails to woo Europe

The crowd of European leaders, ministers and senior officials rose to their feet to applaud, but it was less out of admiration than pure relief.
...
The crowd of European leaders, ministers and senior officials rose to their feet to applaud, but it was less out of admiration than pure relief.
...
“That’s the thing: if you break stuff, it’s not so easy to put it back together,” said one European minister who was in the audience. “It is nice that [Rubio] held out a hand instead of poking us in the eye . . . but nothing has changed.”

Speaking straight after Rubio, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen was clear that despite the shift in rhetoric, the US-European relationship remained fundamentally strained. Europe had suffered “shock therapy”, she said. “Some lines have been crossed that cannot be uncrossed anymore . . . The European way of life, our democratic foundation and the trust of our citizens, is being challenged in new ways.”

[BDKJMU]

Probably more accurate than a tweet from a MAQA twitter hero ...

‘The best we can hope for’: Rubio’s Munich unity appeal fails to woo Europe

The crowd of European leaders, ministers and senior officials rose to their feet to applaud, but it was less out of admiration than pure relief.
...
The crowd of European leaders, ministers and senior officials rose to their feet to applaud, but it was less out of admiration than pure relief.
...
“That’s the thing: if you break stuff, it’s not so easy to put it back together,” said one European minister who was in the audience. “It is nice that [Rubio] held out a hand instead of poking us in the eye . . . but nothing has changed.”

Speaking straight after Rubio, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen was clear that despite the shift in rhetoric, the US-European relationship remained fundamentally strained. Europe had suffered “shock therapy”, she said. “Some lines have been crossed that cannot be uncrossed anymore . . . The European way of life, our democratic foundation and the trust of our citizens, is being challenged in new ways.”

It sure is. Let in 2nd & 3rd world masses, you get 2nd & 3rd world results.

[UNI88]

Probably more accurate than a tweet from a MAQA twitter hero ...

‘The best we can hope for’: Rubio’s Munich unity appeal fails to woo Europe

It sure is. Let in 2nd & 3rd world masses, you get 2nd & 3rd world results.

Which is the greater threat:
- Immigration from 2nd & 3rd world countries? or
- trump and MAQA cozying up to dictatorships and turning their back on freedom, democracy and free trade?

[houndawg]

Nonsense. Economic growth is helped by population growth. There's nothing wrong with immigrants and immigration if done well and if done in a controlled manner. The type of immigration that causes political strife is when it's uncontrolled at the border and swaths of immigrants enter the country without vetting or procedures. Also, when government disregards or can't control visa overstays or when government liberally abuses asylum or temporary status categories. Immigration is one reason why the US remains today as the greatest source of growth and innovation in the world in practically all economic measures. With the proper controls in place and followed, immigration is a gold mine for the US. Also, we have a lot more room for immigrants than Switzerland does.

Unfortunately, Joey and the Radicals weren’t signing in tune with your post .. They did it all wrong by turning there backs on the open border and lying to the American people every single day about it

Serious question CH - how can you tell when somebody is signing out of tune?

You magnificent bastard

[Caribbean Hen]

Unfortunately, Joey and the Radicals weren’t signing in tune with your post .. They did it all wrong by turning there backs on the open border and lying to the American people every single day about it

Serious question CH - how can you tell when somebody is signing out of tune?

You magnificent bastard

Well, about 30 years ago or so now, our 110 foot yacht moored up in Antigua. I had a few dollars in my wallet and that was it and I don’t take loans. With nothing better to do, I sauntered over to the casino at the end of the pier. I broke out one of the dollars I had in my wallet and changed it for 20 nickels
Word was as long as you were playing the slots, you could get free Amstel lights. My plan was to methodically milk the slots and enjoy several Amstels. The slots were not cooperating with my plan and my nickels were getting really low and suddenly…. ting ting ting … nickels came pouring out …
Good news as I can keep playing, keep drinking and I didn’t have to go back to the yacht yet… needless to say, the Nickels kept coming out and the FREE Amstel lights keep going down the hatch before I knew it it was after midnight. I made my way over to a karaoke stage and found myself singing “When I’m 64”. I have been told by family members I have a wedding singer kind of a voice meaning I can imitate vocals of legends especially when buzzed.

I stayed up there for a long time doing the Beatles songs and I had a feeling that there were a few people in the audience watching the show, maybe even an impresario … Take it Away

and finally the music stopped the lights came on and I could actually see the audience of about 50 ladies Some even Sobered me up real quick and kind of embarrassing

So to your Question… lend me your ears and I’ll sing you a song and I’ll not to sing out of tune.