CBO: Baucus Bill will reduce deficit:

[native]

Technical question here - assuming that the CBO's estimate is correct (and yes, I'm a Conk and tend to respect their work) does this meet the criteria for no net deficit increase that "reconciliation" requires? TTBF?

Sorry about TTBF Rob. I called his bluff and ran him off by making fun of his claim to be a "public servant."

[TheDancinMonarch]

Hey I offered them swampland first. Get in line. There's plenty of them to buy all we can sell but I get first shot at 'em.

I advise against trying to sell any swampland to the donks.

First, they can't pay for it themselves so they will tax you to get the money.

Next, they'll create a shell corporation using your tax dollars to provide low-interest, no-down swampland loans to needy constituents who cannot qualify on their own merits.

Then, they will sell the swampland that they bought with your tax money at exorbitantly inflated prices caused by the easy availability of money to nincompoops.

Meanwhile they will use this shell corporation to pay exorbitant salaries and consulting fees to unqualified political hacks and academics who could not get a real job, and who will in turn donate huge amounts of cash to the donk politicians.

Finally, when the bubble bursts, they will use your tax money to bail out all the guilty parties and leave honest, hard working taxpayers high and dry - and a lot poorer.

Did I miss anything?

They'll call it a wetland and just steal it from us.

[native]

I advise against trying to sell any swampland to the donks.

First, they can't pay for it themselves so they will tax you to get the money.

Next, they'll create a shell corporation using your tax dollars to provide low-interest, no-down swampland loans to needy constituents who cannot qualify on their own merits.

Then, they will sell the swampland that they bought with your tax money at exorbitantly inflated prices caused by the easy availability of money to nincompoops.

Meanwhile they will use this shell corporation to pay exorbitant salaries and consulting fees to unqualified political hacks and academics who could not get a real job, and who will in turn donate huge amounts of cash to the donk politicians.

Finally, when the bubble bursts, they will use your tax money to bail out all the guilty parties and leave honest, hard working taxpayers high and dry - and a lot poorer.

Did I miss anything?

They'll call it a wetland and just steal it from us.

Eminent domain! Good catch!

[CitadelGrad]

Some of the other things it does? It hasn't done a damn thing. It's all speculative.

It's not all speculative. If the bill is signed and goes into law... the proposals would be the LAW OF THE LAND. Incentives, tax breaks, etc. they cost money and would go into effect.

Christ, you're stupid. Obviously, when a bill is passed, it is law. I bet knowing that got you an A+ on a final at Appy. What is speculative are the CBO's projections. Fvcking tard.

[AZGrizFan]

It's not all speculative. If the bill is signed and goes into law... the proposals would be the LAW OF THE LAND. Incentives, tax breaks, etc. they cost money and would go into effect.

Christ, you're stupid. Obviously, when a bill is passed, it is law. I bet knowing that got you an A+ on a final at Appy. What is speculative are the CBO's projections. Fvcking tard.

"He lives in a land of illusion..., where everything's peaches and cream"....

[native]

It's not all speculative. If the bill is signed and goes into law... the proposals would be the LAW OF THE LAND. Incentives, tax breaks, etc. they cost money and would go into effect.

Christ, you're stupid. Obviously, when a bill is passed, it is law. I bet knowing that got you an A+ on a final at Appy. What is speculative are the CBO's projections. Fvcking tard.

Aw, give the kid a break. He is sincere, but a little inexperienced. Skelly has a good chance of someday learning to think things through and draw logical conclusions. At least he has a heart. These things take time.

[CitadelGrad]

I'm not going to give him a break. Stupidity is one thing, but stupidity combined with smugness and overbearing righteousness is unforgivable.

[Skjellyfetti]

It's not all speculative. If the bill is signed and goes into law... the proposals would be the LAW OF THE LAND. Incentives, tax breaks, etc. they cost money and would go into effect.

Christ, you're stupid. Obviously, when a bill is passed, it is law. I bet knowing that got you an A+ on a final at Appy. What is speculative are the CBO's projections. Fvcking tard.

The numebrs are speculative... no doubt. But, the CBO numbers are also the best nonpartisan numbers available to us.

BUT, your post and the quote of mine you were responding to were not refering to the numbers...
They were refering to ***specific initiatives*** in the legislation... that are NOT speculation, fvcktard.

[native]

Christ, you're stupid. Obviously, when a bill is passed, it is law. I bet knowing that got you an A+ on a final at Appy. What is speculative are the CBO's projections. Fvcking tard.

The numebrs are speculative... no doubt. But, the CBO numbers are also the best nonpartisan numbers available to us.

BUT, your post and the quote of mine you were responding to were not refering to the numbers...
They were refering to ***specific initiatives*** in the legislation... that are NOT speculation, fvcktard.

Skelly, until we can read the entire bill for ourselves, those "initiatives" are indeed speculative - not the fact that they exist, but how they might or might not work and what the consequences might be.

[native]

I'm not going to give him a break. Stupidity is one thing, but stupidity combined with smugness and overbearing righteousness is unforgivable.

Oh, please I might have to leave if those are the criteria.

[bench]

I'm not going to give him a break. Stupidity is one thing, but stupidity combined with smugness and overbearing righteousness is unforgivable.

Oh, please I might have to leave if those are the criteria.

true dat

[Cleets Part 2]

Christ, you're stupid. Obviously, when a bill is passed, it is law. I bet knowing that got you an A+ on a final at Appy. What is speculative are the CBO's projections. Fvcking tard.

Wow..!!!
Are you going to be okay..?
5 minute time out for a tantrum - Take a deep breath little guy mommy is coming with the baba...

[Skjellyfetti]

Skelly, until we can read the entire bill for ourselves, those "initiatives" are indeed speculative - not the fact that they exist, but how they might or might not work and what the consequences might be.

And my post about those initiatives was about them EXISTING.

This is my post Citadelgrad was responding to:

I even highlighted some other things it does for you in the article so you wouldn't miss them.

So, the tax breaks, incentives to doctors, etc. are speculative? No. They're in the bill. There's no question about it.

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[native]

Skelly, until we can read the entire bill for ourselves, those "initiatives" are indeed speculative - not the fact that they exist, but how they might or might not work and what the consequences might be.

And my post about those initiatives was about them EXISTING.

This is my post Citadelgrad was responding to:

I even highlighted some other things it does for you in the article so you wouldn't miss them.

So, the tax breaks, incentives to doctors, etc. are speculative? No. They're in the bill. There's no question about it.

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Irrelevant until we read the bill.

[Skjellyfetti]

Irrelevant until we read the bill.

How is it irrelevant?!

It's a thread on the CBO report... and the CBO discusses programs in the Baucus bill. It seems relevant to me.

[AZGrizFan]

Irrelevant until we read the bill.

How is it irrelevant?!

It's a thread on the CBO report... and the CBO discusses programs in the Baucus bill. It seems relevant to me.

Have you figured out how they're going to squeeze $201 BILLION out of the insurers yet without running them all out of business?

[Col Hogan]

How is it irrelevant?!

It's a thread on the CBO report... and the CBO discusses programs in the Baucus bill. It seems relevant to me.

Have you figured out how they're going to squeeze $201 BILLION out of the insurers yet without running them all out of business?

Maybe that's why Baucus refuses to post the bill on-line...so we don't find out those kind of details....



Trust me...we'll lower the deficit...you don't need to read the legislation...

[AZGrizFan]

Maybe that's why Baucus refuses to post the bill on-line...so we don't find out those kind of details....



Trust me...we'll lower the deficit...you don't need to read the legislation...

Man, if he isn't the consummate used car salesman I don't know who is.

And if you've ever had the misfortune to hear him speak in public, I pity you....trust me, he makes you want to jab ice picks in your ears.

[TheDancinMonarch]

Have you figured out how they're going to squeeze $201 BILLION out of the insurers yet without running them all out of business?

Maybe that's why Baucus refuses to post the bill on-line...so we don't find out those kind of details....

Maybe! Maybe!! Maybe!!! Maybe!!!! Maybe!!!!!

[TheDancinMonarch]

How is it irrelevant?!

It's a thread on the CBO report... and the CBO discusses programs in the Baucus bill. It seems relevant to me.

Have you figured out how they're going to squeeze $201 BILLION out of the insurers yet without running them all out of business?

A business does not pay taxes. Customers pay taxes. The business just collects the taxes for the government and takes the heat for the cost of the item being sold.

[AZGrizFan]

Have you figured out how they're going to squeeze $201 BILLION out of the insurers yet without running them all out of business?

A business does not pay taxes. Customers pay taxes. The business just collects the taxes for the government and takes the heat for the cost of the item being sold.

So, two impacts: The insurers costs go up, therfore the cost of their product goes up OR they are unable to compete and go out of business, resulting in tens of thousands of additional unemployed individuals, resulting in the $829 billion dollar number being pie-in-the-sky. I'm betting that this impact is NOT calculated into the CBO's numbers...

[Skjellyfetti]

So, two impacts: The insurers costs go up, therfore the cost of their product goes up OR they are unable to compete and go out of business, resulting in tens of thousands of additional unemployed individuals, resulting in the $829 billion dollar number being pie-in-the-sky. I'm betting that this impact is NOT calculated into the CBO's numbers...

And their product that would be taxed are the "cadillac" insurance policies - expensive policies for wealthy people. If their prices go up, most of the wealthy people will be able to pay more if their want their fancy shmancy policy. Or they could buy regular policies like most of us have. I don't really care either way.

And, you probably know this, but thought I'd point it out anyway. The 201 billion in taxes is over 10 years. I think the insurance companies will be fine.

[TheDancinMonarch]

And their product that would be taxed are the "cadillac" insurance policies - expensive policies for wealthy people. If their prices go up, most of the wealthy people will be able to pay more if their want their fancy shmancy policy. Or they could buy regular policies like most of us have. I don't really care either way.

Many of the so-called "cadillac" plans are owned by union members. And as the unions heavily support the Democrats, do you really think that their plans will be heavily taxed?

[AZGrizFan]

And their product that would be taxed are the "cadillac" insurance policies - expensive policies for wealthy people. If their prices go up, most of the wealthy people will be able to pay more if their want their fancy shmancy policy. Or they could buy regular policies like most of us have. I don't really care either way.

Many of the so-called "cadillac" plans are owned by union members. And as the unions heavily support the Democrats, do you really think that their plans will be heavily taxed?

You've answered your own question.

[AZGrizFan]

So, two impacts: The insurers costs go up, therfore the cost of their product goes up OR they are unable to compete and go out of business, resulting in tens of thousands of additional unemployed individuals, resulting in the $829 billion dollar number being pie-in-the-sky. I'm betting that this impact is NOT calculated into the CBO's numbers...

And their product that would be taxed are the "cadillac" insurance policies - expensive policies for wealthy people. If their prices go up, most of the wealthy people will be able to pay more if their want their fancy shmancy policy. Or they could buy regular policies like most of us have. I don't really care either way.

And, you probably know this, but thought I'd point it out anyway. The 201 billion in taxes is over 10 years. I think the insurance companies will be fine.

Yeah, what's $20 billion among friends, right?