Big Sky Standings Prediction Thread

[uofmman1122]

Your line between "untested" and "tested" is pretty damned thin....

Hoke's 2010 #'s: 27 rushes, 104 net yards, 1 TD, 23-36 passing, 2 TD, 9 games played
Jordan Johnson 2010: 6 rushes, 14 net yards, 0 TD, 15-20 passing, 1 TD, 6 games played.

Yep, Hokes, a regular John Elway....

While Hoke doesn't have a ton of experience, he does have some, and he is a Junior. And in the limited time he played last year he was very productive. He actually lead the Sky in passing efficiency with a 162.7 efficiency rating. Also, taking snaps behind a solid veteran line will help. Hoke can run much better than Cam Higgins, and will protect the ball much better (that will be easy to do, as Higgins was a turnover machine). The biggest question mark is not with Hoke but with his targets. Weber graduated their top two receivers.

2010 Big Sky Pass Efficiency
1. Mike Hoke-WSU 162.7
2. Denarius McGhee-MSU 153.8
3. Jeff Fleming-SAC 147.4
4. Bo Mitchell-EWU 135.8
5. Justin Roper-UM 133.1
6. Dylan Orms-NC 132.7
7. Michael Herrick-NAU 130.3
8. Cameron Higgins-WSU 124.9
9. Chase Stangel-NAU 112.4
10. Russel Hill-ISU 99.4

You don't lead anything with only 36 attempts.

Nice try, though.

[WeberAlum02]

While Hoke doesn't have a ton of experience, he does have some, and he is a Junior. And in the limited time he played last year he was very productive. He actually lead the Sky in passing efficiency with a 162.7 efficiency rating. Also, taking snaps behind a solid veteran line will help. Hoke can run much better than Cam Higgins, and will protect the ball much better (that will be easy to do, as Higgins was a turnover machine). The biggest question mark is not with Hoke but with his targets. Weber graduated their top two receivers.

2010 Big Sky Pass Efficiency
1. Mike Hoke-WSU 162.7
2. Denarius McGhee-MSU 153.8
3. Jeff Fleming-SAC 147.4
4. Bo Mitchell-EWU 135.8
5. Justin Roper-UM 133.1
6. Dylan Orms-NC 132.7
7. Michael Herrick-NAU 130.3
8. Cameron Higgins-WSU 124.9
9. Chase Stangel-NAU 112.4
10. Russel Hill-ISU 99.4

You don't lead anything with only 36 attempts.

Nice try, though.

Agreed, but was taken straight off the Big Sky website.

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[Kadeezy]

Boom. I'll try to be realistic as opposed to a homer.

BSC could have 4 bids with SAC OOC wins over UCD and SUU (7-4 overall and a 5-3 BSC record; losses to @MSU, EWU, and @PSU). SAC has to go 2-1 in OOC to be playoff worthy.

MSU
UM
EWU
SAC
WSU
PSU
NAU
ISU
UNC

[WeberAlum02]

My predicted finish:

1. EWU 7-1 (losses - @ UM)
2. MSU 7-1 (@ EWU)
3. UM 6-2 (@ Sac St, @ MSU)
4. WSU 5-3 (@ EWU, @ UM, MSU)
5. Sac St 5-3 (@ WSU, @ MSU, EWU)
6. PSU 2-6 (MSU, @ UM, @ EWU, Sac St, @ UNC, WSU)
7. NAU 2-6 (@ PSU, EWU, @ MSU, UM, @ Sac St, @ WSU)
8. ISU 1-7 (@ NAU, PSU, UM, @ WSU, @ MSU, @ Sac St, EWU)
9. UNC 1-7 (@ ISU, WSU, @ UM, Sac St, EWU, MSU, @ NAU)

[uofmman1122]

You don't lead anything with only 36 attempts.

Nice try, though.

Agreed, but was taken straight off the Big Sky website.

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... m#conf.wi2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, it doesn't matter.

Jefferson Heidelberger had the highest QB rating in college football (and the Big Sky) in 2004 after he completed a WR pass for an 80+ yard touchdown.

When Hoke stops playing mop up, and starts playing real defenses, then we can talk about his QB rating.

[Wildcat Ryan]

He did play against real defenses, unless teams like Boston College, Northern Colorado, UC Davis, Eastern Washington, Idaho State, Portland State, Montana, Montana State, Northern Arizona and Texas Tech dont count.

The only game Hoke didnt play last year was @ Sac

[WeberAlum02]

Agreed, but was taken straight off the Big Sky website.

http://www.bigskyconf.com/custompages/f ... m#conf.wi2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Again, it doesn't matter.

Jefferson Heidelberger had the highest QB rating in college football (and the Big Sky) in 2004 after he completed a WR pass for an 80+ yard touchdown.

When Hoke stops playing mop up, and starts playing real defenses, then we can talk about his QB rating.

Like I said, I agree. I'm not getting ahead of myself and calling Hoke the next all-conference QB. I'm just saying that he isn't your typical first year starter with little or no experience. At least give me that. A 162.7 passing rating on 36 passing attempts and 27 carries doesn't compare to someone's one 80+ yard TD bomb. And not all of Hoke's PT was mop up. Higgins goes out in the 3rd q with NAU up 26-13 and Hoke comes in and goes 11 of 15 for 168 yards and a TD, and runs 7 times for 27 yards. Oh, and Weber wins the game. And I would call NAU's 1st string defense a "real" defense. So while his numbers don't mean everything, they do matter and should at least mean something.

[uofmman1122]

He did play against real defenses, unless teams like Boston College, Northern Colorado, UC Davis, Eastern Washington, Idaho State, Portland State, Montana, Montana State, Northern Arizona and Texas Tech dont count.

The only game Hoke didnt play last year was @ Sac

The only games he got any noticeable reps at QB were against NAU and Texas Tech. Texas Tech was definitely during TT's mop up time against their #3s.

That's it.

Apart from that, he was mainly rushing, but rushing three or four times a game for no more than 17 yards doesn't really equate to a lot of playing time experience, IMO.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Wildcat Ryan's picks

MSU- As long as thier QB stays healthy
EWU- Good enough to win the BSC again, but the 7 road games will wear this team down down the stretch.
WSU- The Wildcats have depth at every position, Big offensive line, QB Mike Hoke will suprise
UM- Untested QB, but thier defense will win them games
CSUS- Will be a dangerous team, but rough first half of schedule does them in.
PSU- Probably gonna lead the conf in total offense., but no defense.
NAU- Too much lost to graduation, but NAU is always tough
ISU- The Bengals will have a new attitude this year, and will get better, but not till next year.
UNC- New coach, and many defensive and offensive ? marks

MSU, EWU and WSU go to the playoffs

Isn't Weber's QB "untested" too? Yet somehow he will "surprise" and Weber makes the playoffs. If Montana doesn't make the playoffs it's only because they scheduled themselves out by having an FBS and a D-II both on the schedule.

ONLY because? Orrrrr it could have something to do with losing too many conference games...

[Wildcat Ryan]

He did play against real defenses, unless teams like Boston College, Northern Colorado, UC Davis, Eastern Washington, Idaho State, Portland State, Montana, Montana State, Northern Arizona and Texas Tech dont count.

The only game Hoke didnt play last year was @ Sac

The only games he got any noticeable reps at QB were against NAU and Texas Tech. Texas Tech was definitely during TT's mop up time against their #3s.

That's it.

Apart from that, he was mainly rushing, but rushing three or four times a game for no more than 17 yards doesn't really equate to a lot of playing time experience, IMO.

Ok fine, how about 2 years then, in 2009 he played against Wyoming, Idaho State, Portland State, Sacramento State, Northern Colorado, Northern Arizona and Cal Poly.

So he has played in a total of 17 games, did he get a lot of yards? no, but he has played, and gained valuable experience. I'll tell you now, he will not be intimidated.

[Screamin_Eagle174]

The only games he got any noticeable reps at QB were against NAU and Texas Tech. Texas Tech was definitely during TT's mop up time against their #3s.

That's it.

Apart from that, he was mainly rushing, but rushing three or four times a game for no more than 17 yards doesn't really equate to a lot of playing time experience, IMO.

Ok fine, how about 2 years then, in 2009 he played against Wyoming, Idaho State, Portland State, Sacramento State, Northern Colorado, Northern Arizona and Cal Poly.

So he has played in a total of 17 games, did he get a lot of yards? no, but he has played, and gained valuable experience. I'll tell you now, he will not be intimidated.

He's going to shit himself when he steps into the inferno.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Ok fine, how about 2 years then, in 2009 he played against Wyoming, Idaho State, Portland State, Sacramento State, Northern Colorado, Northern Arizona and Cal Poly.

So he has played in a total of 17 games, did he get a lot of yards? no, but he has played, and gained valuable experience. I'll tell you now, he will not be intimidated.

He's going to **** himself when he steps into the inferno.

Not if his eyes burn out of his sockets for looking at the god awful field first

[Screamin_Eagle174]

He's going to **** himself when he steps into the inferno.

Not if his eyes burn out of his sockets for looking at the god awful field first

Both will probably happen at the same time.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Not if his eyes burn out of his sockets for looking at the god awful field first

Both will probably happen at the same time.

[Mvemjsunpx]

I agree that Roper was a good QB that just wasn't cut out to run Montana's new offense. But I'll disagree with you on Roper. He was recruited to Oregon, which runs basically the same offense that Pflu's trying to implement at UM. Roper just wasn't that great.

That said, I think either Johnson or Kemp will run the offense better than Roper or Selle could.

I think you mean Selle in your first sentence.

I don't believe the offensive style was Selle's problem. In the first three games, Selle had trouble completing things because he was throwing high every time. He had the same problem early in '09, but fixed it a few games in. He didn't get the chance last year.

[Mvemjsunpx]

I don't know if Mike Hoke will be good or not. Even if he is good, however, it may not show up because he has no proven weapons to throw to. Austin Raught is Weber's leading returnee, & he had just 18 catches for 184 yards.

[BigSkyBears]

I don't know if Mike Hoke will be good or not. Even if he is good, however, it may not show up because he has no proven weapons to throw to. Austin Raught is Weber's leading returnee, & he had just 18 catches for 184 yards.

What did you predict last season?

[Mvemjsunpx]

I don't know if Mike Hoke will be good or not. Even if he is good, however, it may not show up because he has no proven weapons to throw to. Austin Raught is Weber's leading returnee, & he had just 18 catches for 184 yards.

What did you predict last season?

For who, Weber? I picked them 7-4 (they went 6-5).

[AZGrizFan]

Isn't Weber's QB "untested" too? Yet somehow he will "surprise" and Weber makes the playoffs. If Montana doesn't make the playoffs it's only because they scheduled themselves out by having an FBS and a D-II both on the schedule.

ONLY because? Orrrrr it could have something to do with losing too many conference games...

You know what I meant, jackwipe.

[weberwildcat]

2 teams in the playoffs.

1. EWU 6-2
2. MSU 6-2
3. UM 5-3
4. WSU 5-3
5. Sac St 5-3
6. NAU 4-4
7. PSU 2-6
8. ISU 1-7
9. UNC 1-7

there is no chance weber will finish 6th. we haven't had a losing record in big sky since 2006 and it aint gonna happen now. we didn't lose as many irreplacable players as you all think.

mac has only had 1 big sky losing season in his 6 yrs. his program is consistent. less than 4-4 won't happen.

[AZGrizFan]

2 teams in the playoffs.

1. EWU 6-2
2. MSU 6-2
3. UM 5-3
4. WSU 5-3
5. Sac St 5-3
6. NAU 4-4
7. PSU 2-6
8. ISU 1-7
9. UNC 1-7

there is no chance weber will finish 6th. we haven't had a losing record in big sky since 2006 and it aint gonna happen now. we didn't lose as many irreplacable players as you all think.

mac has only had 1 big sky losing season in his 6 yrs. his program is consistent. less than 4-4 won't happen.

And Montana has finished lower than FIRST only once in 17 years. That and $6.00 will buy me a latte grande at Starbucks. Every year is different, WW.

[weberwildcat]

2 teams in the playoffs.

1. EWU 6-2
2. MSU 6-2
3. UM 5-3
4. WSU 5-3
5. Sac St 5-3
6. NAU 4-4
7. PSU 2-6
8. ISU 1-7
9. UNC 1-7

there is no chance weber will finish 6th. we haven't had a losing record in big sky since 2006 and it aint gonna happen now. we didn't lose as many irreplacable players as you all think.

mac has only had 1 big sky losing season in his 6 yrs. his program is consistent. less than 4-4 won't happen.

And Montana has finished lower than FIRST only once in 17 years. That and $6.00 will buy me a latte grande at Starbucks. Every year is different, WW.

but my person guarantee says weber does no worse than 4-4 from 2007-2013. Mac has 2 seasons left and an extra season if we go 4-4 or better from 2009-2012. a coach is very important in football. montana might have only finished less than 1st once but the only lower finish was with a new coach.

[Mvemjsunpx]

And Montana has finished lower than FIRST only once in 17 years. That and $6.00 will buy me a latte grande at Starbucks. Every year is different, WW.

Um, no. The Griz finished second in 1994 and 1997. And, if tiebreakers are included: UM finished second in 2002, 2003, and 2008, and finished third in 2005.

[WeberAlum02]

I don't know if Mike Hoke will be good or not. Even if he is good, however, it may not show up because he has no proven weapons to throw to. Austin Raught is Weber's leading returnee, & he had just 18 catches for 184 yards.

Yeah, the receiving corp is a much bigger question mark than the QB. I hope that O Line, two veteran TEs, and a solid group of running backs will be enough to make up for the lack of experience the WRs have.

[Wildcat Ryan]

I don't know if Mike Hoke will be good or not. Even if he is good, however, it may not show up because he has no proven weapons to throw to. Austin Raught is Weber's leading returnee, & he had just 18 catches for 184 yards.

Yeah, the receiving corp is a much bigger question mark than the QB. I hope that O Line, two veteran TEs, and a solid group of running backs will be enough to make up for the lack of experience the WRs have.

Our receiver corp is young and inexperianced, but I do like our two veteran TE's and if our O-line can block for Hoke he will find ways to get the ball to the young receivers. I think thier confidence as the season progresses will rise and I think we will be ok, Weber's strength is definetely gonns be the run game this year. I just hope our OC can tell when we are playing against a weak secondary that we come out and throw the ball, unlike last year at MSU, when we ran against MSU's great run defense when we should have been throwing the ball