Grizalltheway wrote:
Let's put it this way: what do you suppose Lehigh's record would be if they played the exact same schedule as Towson?
my guess is that Lehigh would be somewhere around 9-2
thanks for asking
Who would they beat and who would they lose to?
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JoshuaTU wrote:Hard to lose when you play so many stat boosting unranked teams, uh oh. Towson scored more on UNH and on Colgate (other common opponent). Additionally, Towson allowed Colgate to score less than Lehigh did with Colgate. Towson has played three times as many playoff teams and beaten all three. Lehigh played one and LOST. How many unranked FCS teams did Lehigh play??? Towson played 3... Lehigh played 10
Your schedule hasnt prepared you for the playoffs at all. Towson's has. Stop living in denial... saturday will be a rough day for Lehigh fans.
TWest will go into beast mode this Saturday and represent the CAA well.
Let me help you a little here
Losses vs. Non-playoff teams
0 - Lehigh
1 - Towson
I think Lehigh has a really good chance this weekend. They are 10-1 and could easily be 11-0. Lehigh is a very good team and it should be a good game.
But don't base your argument on irrelevant stats.
The best comparison you can make is head to head opponents (which is still weak by the way, transitive property doesn't work in sports) and Towson wins that argument hands down:
Towson beat UNH, Lehigh lost to UNH
Towson crushed Colgate by 25, Lehigh needed two late TD's to win by 20.
I think Towson wins by 7 points late by a INT for touchdown. A top 10 defense must be good for a reason and not just because they play in the Patriot League. They seem to be fundamentally sound and can shut down the rush. I think Enders will win or lose this game for Towson. He is more of a game manager and not a great passer yet. He must be a great passer to win this game today.
T-west may not play as big of a role as he has because they are so good in the rush. What can kill the Tigers is kickoff returns leading to short fields. They are amongst the worst in the nation in Covering Kickoffs and a bad place kicker on kicoffs. They will recruit a kicker even though D.J. Soven is only a Sophomore and has some upside to him.
The thing Lehigh fans may be undercounting on is that they aren't the best pass defense, but they are excellent tacklers and are opportunistic. This is where the tigers win the game. Much like they did against UNH on four INT's (one for a Touchdown). They win the battle of turnovers and win the game.
JoshuaTU wrote:Look at the game, Colgate got 14 points at the end when the back ups are on and the offensive isnt trying to run up the score. Lets look at the scores by quarter
By your own admission (taking people out in the 3rd) your first group only scored 31 points while giving up 18 compared to Towson scoring 31 by that point and only giving up 3. If anything Towson put the backups before Lehigh did so once again get of your high horse and face reality. Peter Athens(back up QB for Towson) engineered that last drive.
What makes your claims even worse is that Lehigh had its starting QB in til the end of the game including those last two scores of the game...
wow, thanks for the info
now
when you claimed that Towson scored more points on Colgate than did Lehigh, which is complete and total lie, what exactly did you mean?
A 3 point mistake is far less egregious than claiming your 2nd team was in when in reality your #1s were in until the end and needed two last quarter scores for the game to seem like a respectable win. Had Towson kept their first team in throughout the game the score could of been into the 50s.
And your statement that Lehigh would be 9-2 after a season full of ranked teams shows your ignorance(maybe too strong of a word, maybe fandom). If we consider Liberty ranked when they lost to Lehigh, Lehigh would still be 1-1 against ranked teams meaning best case Lehigh would have been 4-3 against Towsons ranked schedule, not including an FBS team. Highest ranked team at the time Lehigh played was #13, losing to them only beating a #25ish. Lowest ranked team Towson played was #21 Del.
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JoshuaTUA wrote:3 point mistake is far less egregious than claiming your 2nd team was in when in reality your #1s were in until the end and needed two last quarter scores for the game to seem like a respectable win. Had Towson kept their first team in throughout the game the score could of been into the 50s.
And your statement that Lehigh would be 9-2 after a season full of ranked teams shows your ignorance(maybe too strong of a word, maybe fandom). If we consider Liberty ranked when they lost to Lehigh, Lehigh would still be 1-1 against ranked teams meaning best case Lehigh would have been 4-3 against Towsons ranked schedule, not including an FBS team. Highest ranked team at the time Lehigh played was #13, losing to them only beating a #25ish. Lowest ranked team Towson played was #21 Del.
wow, thanks for the info
now
I will ask you again,
when you claimed that Towson scored more points on Colgate than did Lehigh, which is complete and total lie, what exactly did you mean?
and again, what part of "Lehigh has not lost to a non-playoff team like Towson has this year" did you not understand?
Let me help you a little here
Losses vs. Non-playoff teams
0 - Lehigh
1 - Towson
Towson wins going away in the 4th quarter 45-30. Towson is too expl osive for lehigh to handle. And by the way mr. Fan, how many times in the last 10 years has delaware whipped your asses in the playoffs. You got a soft northern iowa team last year in the first round. When was the last time you guys actually beat a CAA team? And I know for a fact it sure as hell was'nt in the playoffs and whatever CAA team you beat was most likely a bottom feeder. You are out of you're leauge this week son!!
LU fans seem to always have a chip on their shoulder. The Fan blew up a pre-game UD-LU playoff game thread last year & the game was only a game for about 30 minutes in that one.
West is the difference in this one IMO, he's a special player, maybe the best FCS player I saw this year, Lehigh has never seen a back close to his caliber. If he can run away from CAA defenses, he'll do the same to a slower LU team.
Lum is a very good QB and he has some good receiving options even if one of them is hobbled somewhat.
The game will be close throughout, Towson at the end takes it by a TD or less.
The PL this year was not weak, it was a solid FCS conference, the computer rankings say so much.
The so called level of competition hasn't hurt Lehigh in the past in the first round since they're 4-2. They're two losses were by 1 point to eventual champ JMU in '04 and a hard fought 12 point defeat to Hofstra in '99.
This should be an excellent game on Saturday!!
BTW, if Towson wins history suggests they'll likely go pretty far since 8 out of 14 years the team that defeated the PL champ in the playoffs have gone on to title game.
Go Lehigh TU Owl wrote:There's a few miss conceptions.
The PL this year was not weak, it was a solid FCS conference, the computer rankings say so much.The so called level of competition hasn't hurt Lehigh in the past in the first round since they're 4-2. They're two losses were by 1 point to eventual champ JMU in '04 and a hard fought 12 point defeat to Hofstra in '99.
This should be an excellent game on Saturday!!
BTW, if Towson wins history suggests they'll likely go pretty far since 8 out of 14 years the team that defeated the PL champ in the playoffs have gone on to title game.
The computer rankings say the only conferences of note you were better than were the MEAC and the OVC - do you really think people on here consider either of those conferences "solid"? When Georgetown is your second best team, you have, by default, a weak conference. And the PL wasn't this weak back in '04 and '99 - time has changed and not for the better for the PL.
Go Lehigh TU Owl wrote:There's a few miss conceptions.
The PL this year was not weak, it was a solid FCS conference, the computer rankings say so much.The so called level of competition hasn't hurt Lehigh in the past in the first round since they're 4-2. They're two losses were by 1 point to eventual champ JMU in '04 and a hard fought 12 point defeat to Hofstra in '99.
This should be an excellent game on Saturday!!
BTW, if Towson wins history suggests they'll likely go pretty far since 8 out of 14 years the team that defeated the PL champ in the playoffs have gone on to title game.
The computer rankings say the only conferences of note you were better than were the MEAC and the OVC - do you really think people on here consider either of those conferences "solid"? When Georgetown is your second best team, you have, by default, a weak conference. And the PL wasn't this weak back in '04 and '99 - time has changed and not for the better for the PL.
All things considered, Holy Cross was the second best team in the league this year but had one bad game in the snow against Gtown. I don't think the PL was any better in the late 90's early 00's. The biggest difference is how much the A10/CAA improved during the last 6-7 years.
Holy Crossin 09 was a darn good team that would have beaten most teams in the playoffs. Unfortunately for them, they had to play the eventual champ the first game and fell by 10 points. The only time the league was really weak was in '06, 07 and 08.
Go Lehigh TU Owl wrote:There's a few miss conceptions.
The PL this year was not weak, it was a solid FCS conference, the computer rankings say so much.
Is that anything like Miss Congeniality?
The only win the PL can hang their collective hat on is HC over Harvard, who is way overranked themselves.
Is that your opinion that Harvard is overrated? I would love to see Harvard in the playoffs since I believe they could do some serious damage. Harvard can out recruit just about everyone in FCS.
89Hen wrote:
Is that anything like Miss Congeniality?
The only win the PL can hang their collective hat on is HC over Harvard, who is way overranked themselves.
Is that your opinion that Harvard is overrated? I would love to see Harvard in the playoffs since I believe they could do some serious damage. Harvard can out recruit just about everyone in FCS.
Ivy champs often go 7-0 in the Ivy and drop an OOC game to an unranked I-AA team. If they played more games against non-PL teams, they'd be exposed as overrated in a NY minute.
Go Lehigh TU Owl wrote:
Is that your opinion that Harvard is overrated? I would love to see Harvard in the playoffs since I believe they could do some serious damage. Harvard can out recruit just about everyone in FCS.
Ivy champs often go 7-0 in the Ivy and drop an OOC game to an unranked I-AA team. If they played more games against non-PL teams, they'd be exposed as overrated in a NY minute.
There's no way to know if they would be exposed. It's just as easy to say they wouldn't. The talent level at Harvard is very high. They get a number rated HS guys that could have gone FBS but decide to take a free ride at Harvard. The problem with the IL, and to a lesser extent PL, is there's schools that take football seriously and those that do not.
89Hen wrote:
Is that anything like Miss Congeniality?
The only win the PL can hang their collective hat on is HC over Harvard, who is way overranked themselves.
Is that your opinion that Harvard is overrated? I would love to see Harvard in the playoffs since I believe they could do some serious damage. Harvard can out recruit just about everyone in FCS.
If you think they get the best FCS-level athletes in the country, you're just plain delusional.
89Hen wrote:Ivy champs often go 7-0 in the Ivy and drop an OOC game to an unranked I-AA team. If they played more games against non-PL teams, they'd be exposed as overrated in a NY minute.
There's no way to know if they would be exposed. It's just as easy to say they wouldn't.
Go Lehigh TU Owl wrote:
There's no way to know if they would be exposed. It's just as easy to say they wouldn't.
Just as easy to say, but not as easy to believe.
Penn's only loss last year was by 12 poinst to a healthy 'Nova team that i believe was still ranked #1.
Harvard's OOC losses the last 6 years have only come against Lehigh, Lafayette and Holy Cross. HC-Harvard is a pretty good rivalry so that should be a 50/50 split.
89Hen wrote:
Just as easy to say, but not as easy to believe.
Penn's only loss last year was by 12 poinst to a healthy 'Nova team that i believe was still ranked #1.
Harvard's OOC losses the last 6 years have only come against Lehigh, Lafayette and Holy Cross. HC-Harvard is a pretty good rivalry so that should be a 50/50 split.
2007 a 7-0 Harvard loses to 4-7 Lehigh. 5 of the last 10 Ivy champs went 7-0 in the Ivy and lost OOC. Can you find a single instance where an Ivy has beaten a ranked team in the last 10 years? The facts are stacked against the Ivy being comeptitive in the playoffs. There is no evidence to suggest they would be.
