When the CAA loses VCU, ODU, Ga St. who do they add?

[89Hen]

So you're advocating showing 'Nova the door??

Not anymore. With the loss of Hofstra, NU, UMass, URI, possibly more... not a great time to be asking people to leave. Now, if JMU and ODU commit to staying and Albany, Stony, and/or some other schools were brought in for all sports... maybe.

[Rob Iola]

Aw, you'd miss the chance to measure your basketball team against successful Final 4 programs - instead of enjoying the sight of your best player being led away from your 3rd-tier post-season pay-in tournament in handcuffs...

We have played VCU for over 50 years in hoops without rergard to NCAA division or conference affiliation. We have played GMU since the early '80's. Those relationships I'm sure would continue. My comments related to football as any person with moderate intellectual capacities could discern.

Oh you wound me so...

[93henfan]

My goal is to get all three-letter acronym Virginia schools out of the CAA. This would be a good start.

[Rob Iola]

My goal is to get all three-letter acronym Virginia schools out of the CAA. This would be a good start.

does an ampersand count as a letter?

[bluehenbillk]

My goal is to get all three-letter acronym Virginia schools out of the CAA. This would be a good start.

Oh 93, I don't think they can do that. The title sponsor for all of the league tournaments is the Virginia 529 Plan. Hmm, how is that going to work with men's lax considering there are zero Virginia teams in CAA lax.....

And does W&M count as a 3-letter acronym?

[Skjellyfetti]

I think App is probably too tied to the other SoCon schools to go for it.

Fuck that. I can't say what Charlie Cobb is thinking... but, fuck the SoCon. I want out. And I think A LOT of other App fans feel the same way. I don't feel tied to any of the other SoCon school much at all. Georgia Southern and Furman are both good football rivalries... but, both would be easily replaced. Western is forced to be our rivalry... but, I couldn't care less about maintaining that rivalry.

I would go to the CAA without hesitation.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Why stick at 10 when you have 3 schools that have FBS interest. Georgia St., JMU, ODU. Wasn't something posted about how long will Maine be able to keep up w/ the CAA in fb? They may have to drop it or go to the NEC like URI. Nova has a coupon to join the BE for fb by 2015 but none of the posters think that Nova is going to join BE fb.

Tough to predict the future on this one. UMass was close to dropping football then they go I-A. GMU and VCU have both thought about introducing football. Would the CAA invite them back in after leaving? Richmond kinda snuck back into the CAA through the Yankee/A10 door. IF the CAA wants to keep teams like Maine and UNH around for football and NU and Hoftsra around for all sports, it would make sense for the CAA maybe think about adding Albany and/or Stony. I've said it for years, if I had my druthers CAA football would only be for all-sport CAA teams. Nothing personal against Nova, Richmond, UNH or Maine.

I wish they'd make a rule that if you want to play fb in a conf, they need to take all your sports that the conf offers, to see how much the conf. and school really want to be together. CP and UCD go to the Sky for everything or stay in the Big West. Same w/ the BE take all of SDSU and BSU or leave them in the MWC. They made it so G'town and Dayton along w/ others couldn't play D-III fb and be D-I for other sports, I wish they could do the same w/ conferences/schools.

[TribeFanInNC]

Richmond kinda snuck back into the CAA through the Yankee/A10 door.

I'm not sure of your point here. Richmond joined the Yankee Conference in football in the 1980's and moved sports other than football to the A10 in 2001. It has been a football member through the A10 Football and CAA Football iterations. There was no sneaking back in, since Richmond football never left.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Richmond kinda snuck back into the CAA through the Yankee/A10 door.

I'm not sure of your point here. Richmond joined the Yankee Conference in football in the 1980's and moved sports other than football to the A10 in 2001. It has been a football member through the A10 Football and CAA Football iterations. There was no sneaking back in, since Richmond football never left.

Then should the CAA let ODU continue to play in the CAA if they were ever invited to the A10? Which could be soon if Charlotte joins the SBC. I think he's saying were is it end. How many fb onlys is the CAA going to have?

[89Hen]

Richmond kinda snuck back into the CAA through the Yankee/A10 door.

I'm not sure of your point here. Richmond joined the Yankee Conference in football in the 1980's and moved sports other than football to the A10 in 2001. It has been a football member through the A10 Football and CAA Football iterations. There was no sneaking back in, since Richmond football never left.

The CAA did not have football in 1980, nor 2001 and they merely took the entire A10 lock, stock and barrel. To have Richmond under the CAA banner is indeed back door. I'm not saying they planned it that way back in 2001, but that's how it ended up. Do you think if the CAA were forming a football conference from the ground up they would have invited Richmond? I don't.

[89Hen]

I'm not sure of your point here. Richmond joined the Yankee Conference in football in the 1980's and moved sports other than football to the A10 in 2001. It has been a football member through the A10 Football and CAA Football iterations. There was no sneaking back in, since Richmond football never left.

Then should the CAA let ODU continue to play in the CAA if they were ever invited to the A10? Which could be soon if Charlotte joins the SBC. I think he's saying were is it end. How many fb onlys is the CAA going to have?

IMO they should not. That said, I think they probably would.

[henfan]

The CAA did not have football in 1980, nor 2001 and they merely took the entire A10 lock, stock and barrel. To have Richmond under the CAA banner is indeed back door. I'm not saying they planned it that way back in 2001, but that's how it ended up. Do you think if the CAA were forming a football conference from the ground up they would have invited Richmond? I don't.

That's a highly hypothetical question & answer. We don't know what might have happened, only what did.

Technically, UR entered directly through the front door of CAA FB. The league office gave the option to all non-CAA members of joining CAA FB as full members. (CAA and CAA FB are separate entities.) UR was the only school among UMaine, UNH, URI, UMass and VU who initially hesitated and looked at the possibility of joining another FB league (the PL) as an affiliate members. After the shxt storm settled at UR, agreed to join CAA FB. That's about as front door as you can get.

The organizers of CAA FB (i.e.- the CAA and its CEO's) could have excluded any or all non-CAA members from their fledgling FB league but decided not to, mostly likely because they were more interested in preserving rivalries and bolstering membership. We don't know what they might have done had they had 8 or 9 CAA schools who played FB. I think it's highly speculative to presume they wouldn't have invited non-CAA members to CAA FB. That's just my opinion; I could be wrong.

[89Hen]

The organizers of CAA FB (i.e.- the CAA and its CEO's) could have excluded any or all non-CAA members from their fledgling FB league but decided not to, mostly likely because they were more interested in preserving rivalries and bolstering membership. We don't know what they might have done had they had 8 or 9 CAA schools who played FB. I think it's highly speculative to presume they wouldn't have invited non-CAA members to CAA FB. That's just my opinion; I could be wrong.

It is speculative and that's why I said that's what I think. There is no way the CAA would have excluded anyone when taking over for the A10.

BTW, don't count on the CAA and CAAFB to be separate forever.

[henfan]

IMO they should not. That said, I think they probably would.

ODU is a full member of CAA FB, irrespective of their membership in the CAA. If they moved their Olympic sports programs outside of the CAA, CAA FB would have little ground to expel them. CAA FB bylaws do not allow for expelling members without cause. Check out Section 7.10 of the CAA FB Handbook.

http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/8500/su ... EM_ID=8500

[henfan]

BTW, don't count on the CAA and CAAFB to be separate forever.

IMO, it would be the best thing for the CAA if they could dissolve CAAFB and make it part of the conference with affiliate members. I'm not sure that it would be possible according CAA FB's current bylaws, however. Why they set up the two as separate entities, I'll never understand. It could prove to be a fatal mistake, as the A-10 learned.

[93henfan]

My goal is to get all three-letter acronym Virginia schools out of the CAA. This would be a good start.

does an ampersand count as a letter?

No. The Tribe can stay. Save for the quarterfinals in 2004, they are not annoying.

[89Hen]

IMO they should not. That said, I think they probably would.

ODU is a full member of CAA FB, irrespective of their membership in the CAA. If they moved their Olympic sports programs outside of the CAA, CAA FB would have little ground to expel them. CAA FB bylaws do not allow for expelling members without cause. Check out Section 7.10 of the CAA FB Handbook.

http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/8500/su ... EM_ID=8500

Haven't we had this discussion 1000x? If they wanted to expell them, they would find a way.

[89Hen]

BTW, don't count on the CAA and CAAFB to be separate forever.

IMO, it would be the best thing for the CAA if they could dissolve CAAFB and make it part of the conference with affiliate members. I'm not sure that it would be possible according CAA FB's current bylaws, however. Why they set up the two as separate entities, I'll never understand. It could prove to be a fatal mistake, as the A-10 learned.

I'm only guessing that the CAA had rules concerning all sports membership in it's bylaws and this was the easiest way around rewriting the rules.

[JMUDuke2002]

IMO, it would be the best thing for the CAA if they could dissolve CAAFB and make it part of the conference with affiliate members. I'm not sure that it would be possible according CAA FB's current bylaws, however. Why they set up the two as separate entities, I'll never understand. It could prove to be a fatal mistake, as the A-10 learned.

I'm only guessing that the CAA had rules concerning all sports membership in it's bylaws and this was the easiest way around rewriting the rules.

Or Yeager is an idiot.

[henfan]

Come on. As commish, Tom Yeager is an easy target but he likely had very little to do with writing the bylaws. CAA and CAA FB AD's and CEO's make the decisions and vote on league issues.

From my perspective, CAA leadership look like a friggin' geniuses compared to some of the ineptitude UD suffered through with the America East and A-10 leaders.

[89Hen]

From my perspective, CAA leadership look like a friggin' geniuses compared to some of the ineptitude UD suffered through with the America East and A-10 leaders.

On that we can agree.

[aceinthehole]

Tough to predict the future on this one. UMass was close to dropping football then they go I-A. GMU and VCU have both thought about introducing football. Would the CAA invite them back in after leaving? Richmond kinda snuck back into the CAA through the Yankee/A10 door. IF the CAA wants to keep teams like Maine and UNH around for football and NU and Hoftsra around for all sports, it would make sense for the CAA maybe think about adding Albany and/or Stony. I've said it for years, if I had my druthers CAA football would only be for all-sport CAA teams. Nothing personal against Nova, Richmond, UNH or Maine.

How does that help UNH and Maine? Why wouldn't UNH and Maine be offered full CAA membership instead of adding UA and SBU?

Think about that. If the CAA took the 2 SUNYs as all sports memebrs, it decimates the AE where UNH and Maine would still be stuck for other sports.

If the CAA needs 1 full member, it could just add Stony Brook (likley over Hofstra's objection). However, I can't imagine the CAA basically killing the olympic sports of UNH and Maine, by bypasssing them for full membership in favor of UA and SBU together.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Tough to predict the future on this one. UMass was close to dropping football then they go I-A. GMU and VCU have both thought about introducing football. Would the CAA invite them back in after leaving? Richmond kinda snuck back into the CAA through the Yankee/A10 door. IF the CAA wants to keep teams like Maine and UNH around for football and NU and Hoftsra around for all sports, it would make sense for the CAA maybe think about adding Albany and/or Stony. I've said it for years, if I had my druthers CAA football would only be for all-sport CAA teams. Nothing personal against Nova, Richmond, UNH or Maine.

How does that help UNH and Maine? Why wouldn't UNH and Maine be offered full CAA membership instead of adding UA and SBU?

Think about that. If the CAA took the 2 SUNYs as all sports memebrs, it decimates the AE where UNH and Maine would still be stuck for other sports.

If the CAA needs 1 full member, it could just add Stony Brook (likley over Hofstra's objection). However, I can't imagine the CAA basically killing the olympic sports of UNH and Maine, by bypasssing them for full membership in favor of UA and SBU together.

Maine is way out of the way and is struggling w/ fb. UNH could but they already have their best sport. If they took SB and Albany they'd still have UNH and Maine fb. AEC would be down to 7. They could invite 1-3 NEC members. If for some reason they said no, then NJIT puts them back at 8. So in no way would UNH and maine have their other sports killed.

[mainejeff]

Why stick at 10 when you have 3 schools that have FBS interest. Georgia St., JMU, ODU. Wasn't something posted about how long will Maine be able to keep up w/ the CAA in fb? They may have to drop it or go to the NEC like URI. Nova has a coupon to join the BE for fb by 2015 but none of the posters think that Nova is going to join BE fb.

Maine isn't dropping football......but many non-Maine fans seem to keep banging the same drum like a bunch of morons.

[mainejeff]

How does that help UNH and Maine? Why wouldn't UNH and Maine be offered full CAA membership instead of adding UA and SBU?

Think about that. If the CAA took the 2 SUNYs as all sports memebrs, it decimates the AE where UNH and Maine would still be stuck for other sports.

If the CAA needs 1 full member, it could just add Stony Brook (likley over Hofstra's objection). However, I can't imagine the CAA basically killing the olympic sports of UNH and Maine, by bypasssing them for full membership in favor of UA and SBU together.

Maine is way out of the way and is struggling w/ fb. UNH could but they already have their best sport. If they took SB and Albany they'd still have UNH and Maine fb. AEC would be down to 7. They could invite 1-3 NEC members. If for some reason they said no, then NJIT puts them back at 8. So in no way would UNH and maine have their other sports killed.

How is Maine stugggling with football, moron????

Jeezus Christ......stopping talking out of your gaping azzhole!