Who is the NL MVP?

[Brock Landers]

[AZGrizFan]

Goldschmidt, and it's not even close.

[Brock Landers]

Goldschmidt, and it's not even close.

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[AZGrizFan]

McCutcheon: 494 PA, 437 AB, 73 R, 138 H, 31 2B, 2 3B, 17 HR, 68 RBI, 24 SB, .316 BA, .389 OBP, .513 SLG, .902 OPS
Goldschmidt: 518 PA, 441 AB, 77 R, 130 H, 25 2B, 0 3B, 29 HR, 93 RBI, 13 SB, .295 BA, .391 OBP, .549 SLG, .939 OPS
Molina: 390 PA, 361 AB, 49 R, 119 H, 30 2B, 0 3B, 8 HR, 54 RBI, 3 SB, .330 BA, .374 OBP, .479 SLG, .854 OPS

[Brock Landers]

But only one of them plays 1B

[89Hen]

Goldschmidt, and it's not even close.

How can a guy with no triples even be in the conversation?

[AZGrizFan]

Goldschmidt, and it's not even close.

How can a guy with no triples even be in the conversation?

Hell, Mauer has better numbers than Molina. Is HE going to be in the conversation for AL MVP? I don't think so...

[AZGrizFan]

Goldschmidt: tied for 1st in HR, 1st in RBI, 3rd in walks, 2nd in IBB, 5th in Runs Scored, 3rd in OBP, 2nd in SLG, 2nd in OPS, 5th in WAR

[Gil Dobie]

McCutcheon, great stats after a slow start, and leading his team to first place.

[AZGrizFan]

McCutcheon, great stats after a slow start, and leading his team to first place.

Without Goldschmidt, the Diamondbacks are in LAST place, almost guaranteed. He has singlehandely won 3 of the last 4 games for them alone.

[Ivytalk]

McCutchen, because of the Pirates' miracle season after 20 years of doormattery.o

Anybody but Puig!

[Gil Dobie]

Fangraph has McCutchen's value to the Pirates at $31 million: McCutchen Fangraph Link

Fangraph has Goldschmidt's value to the Dbacks at $25.2 million: Goldschmidt Fangraph Link

[AZGrizFan]

Fangraph has McCutchen's value to the Pirates at $31 million: McCutchen Fangraph Link

Fangraph has Goldschmidt's value to the Dbacks at $25.2 million: Goldschmidt Fangraph Link

Andrew McCutchen is living off of LAST year's performance.

[Gil Dobie]

ESPN voters would pick McCutchen. His WAR is higher this year than last.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/99619 ... 013-nl-mvp

1 Andrew McCutchen, CF, Pittsburgh Pirates 22
2 Paul Goldschmidt, 1B, Arizona Diamondbacks 6
3 Yadier Molina, C, St. Louis Cardinals 4

[dbackjon]

It should be Goldy, but he probably won't win it.


If Goldy had the numbers he had this year in LA, Boston, Chicago or NY, he'd be unanimous

[AZGrizFan]

It should be Goldy, but he probably won't win it.


If Goldy had the numbers he had this year in LA, Boston, Chicago or NY, he'd be unanimous

Haters gonna hate, jon.

[Gil Dobie]

It should be Goldy, but he probably won't win it.


If Goldy had the numbers he had this year in LA, Boston, Chicago or NY, he'd be unanimous

I don't think he beats on Miggy or Trout in the AL, if he's in any of those cities. McCutchen is in little ole Pittsburgh. It's like AZ's argument about first basemen in the Mauer thread, 36,125 is what you expect. Mark Teixeira had those numbers or better several years, played in NY and never won the MVP. If Goldschmidt played a different position, his WAR would be higher and he would get more MVP votes.

[Gil Dobie]

Fox is picking Goldschmidt

[AZGrizFan]

It should be Goldy, but he probably won't win it.


If Goldy had the numbers he had this year in LA, Boston, Chicago or NY, he'd be unanimous

I don't think he beats on Miggy or Trout in the AL, if he's in any of those cities. McCutchen is in little ole Pittsburgh. It's like AZ's argument about first basemen in the Mauer thread, 36,125 is what you expect. Mark Teixeira had those numbers or better several years, played in NY and never won the MVP. If Goldschmidt played a different position, his WAR would be higher and he would get more MVP votes.

36/125 may be what you expect, but in the NL there's not another 1st baseman even CLOSE to Goldies #'s.

1st in WAR (by .6 over the next closest, Joey Votto)
1st in HR (by 12 over the next closest, Joey Votto) And T1 1st in all of NL
1st in RBI (by 16 over the next closest, Freddy Freeman) And 1st in all of NL
1st in SB (by 9 over the next closest, Joey Votto)
1st in hits (by 5 over the next closest, Joey Votto) And 4th in all of NL
1st in OPS (by .026 over Joey Votto) And 1st in all of NL
1st in SLG (by .050 over Freddy Freeman) And 1st in all of NL
2nd in OBP (to Joey Votto) And 4th in all of NL
2nd in BB (to Joey Votto) And 3rd in all of NL3rd in 2B
T2 in 3B

Category: Goldie/McCutchen
WAR: 7.0/8.2
HR: 36/21
RBI: 126/84
SB: 15/27
Hits: 182/185
OPS: .952/.911
SLG: ..551/.508
OBP: ..401/.404
2B: 36/38
3B: 3/5

So, unless they're basing this award on stolen bases and WAR, only a retard would vote for McCutchen. I'm guessing we'll see a lot of retarded voting.

[Gil Dobie]

I don't think he beats on Miggy or Trout in the AL, if he's in any of those cities. McCutchen is in little ole Pittsburgh. It's like AZ's argument about first basemen in the Mauer thread, 36,125 is what you expect. Mark Teixeira had those numbers or better several years, played in NY and never won the MVP. If Goldschmidt played a different position, his WAR would be higher and he would get more MVP votes.

36/125 may be what you expect, but in the NL there's not another 1st baseman even CLOSE to Goldies #'s.

1st in WAR (by .6 over the next closest, Joey Votto)
1st in HR (by 12 over the next closest, Joey Votto) And T1 1st in all of NL
1st in RBI (by 16 over the next closest, Freddy Freeman) And 1st in all of NL
1st in SB (by 9 over the next closest, Joey Votto)
1st in hits (by 5 over the next closest, Joey Votto) And 4th in all of NL
1st in OPS (by .026 over Joey Votto) And 1st in all of NL
1st in SLG (by .050 over Freddy Freeman) And 1st in all of NL
2nd in OBP (to Joey Votto) And 4th in all of NL
2nd in BB (to Joey Votto) And 3rd in all of NL3rd in 2B
T2 in 3B

Category: Goldie/McCutchen
WAR: 7.0/8.2
HR: 36/21
RBI: 126/84
SB: 15/27
Hits: 182/185
OPS: .952/.911
SLG: ..551/.508
OBP: ..401/.404
2B: 36/38
3B: 3/5

So, unless they're basing this award on stolen bases and WAR, only a retard would vote for McCutchen. I'm guessing we'll see a lot of retarded voting.

Myself, I'm not a big WAR advocate, but what makes it important to the new age stat geeks is the points given for defensive position, making a non-first basemen a better all-around player using that system. I don't have a horse in the race, but there are a lot of retards voting in today's world.

[Gil Dobie]

Defensive WAR by Fangraph, from WIKI. First Base is almost as bad as DH.

the positional adjustment is a value dependent on the players position: +12.5 for a catcher, −12.5 for a first baseman, +2.5 for a second or third baseman, +7.5 for a shortstop, −7.5 for a left fielder, +2.5 for a center fielder, −7.5 for a right fielder, and −17.5 for a designated hitter.[13] These values are scaled to the number of games played by the player at each position.

[dbackjon]

Paul Goldschmidt - Gold Glove winner.


And from watching games, I can tell you his defense has led to some wins.


Stat geeks :smh:

[SuperHornet]

I went with the CM vote....