St Louis Rioting

[93henfan]

Why were they there in the 1st place?

They're photojournalists.

I'm going to have to go with: "photographing a news story"

And I'll add, the most trending news story in the country.

[Ibanez]

Yes. I know. I've tested them with police from 10 different states. That's why I've made that statement 3 or 4 times in this thread.

How many Departments use these cameras?

More than you can imagine.

[clenz]

How many Departments use these cameras?

More than you can imagine.

I've seen a lot of cops in Iowa using them.


I know this is a bad example to show how far they've gotten in terms of how "popular" but a good number of "cop dramas" are starting to have them appear on the cops person.

[Ibanez]

More than you can imagine.

I've seen a lot of cops in Iowa using them.


I know this is a bad example to show how far they've gotten in terms of how "popular" but a good number of "cop dramas" are starting to have them appear on the cops person.

There's some debate over the use of them. Is your privacy being violated? I say no. People aren't against security cameras at the WaWa, why be concerned when law enforcement wears them? It's a great tool.

[YoUDeeMan]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AFia3Uo0TQ[/youtube]

Cop is a clown. Video guy is a clown. Video guy's friends and cohorts are clowns.

I say fire the cop, fire the other guys from whatever jobs they have for being stupid, and then have them get into a cage match extravaganza to the death.

So many clowns...so little time.

[YoUDeeMan]

Look at countries with low rates of police officers killed in the line of duty and follow their results.

Fuck, most cops in the UK don't even carry guns.

13 police officers killed in the line of duty in the last decade. 5 police officers shot in the the UK in the last decade.

Why is that?

Let's make a bet...do you think the number of officers shot in England will go up or down over the next decade?

I'm going with the up.

Why is that?

And, how many police officers were shot in Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya?

Why is that?

[YoUDeeMan]

I just flipped back and forth between Lawrence O'Donnell (MSNBC) and Lou Dobbs (Fox) talking about Fergusson, MO. Wow! the coverage couldn't be any different.

I am going to be watching to see if there are really any witnesses that corroborate the story that Brown charged the officer. Dobbs says there are a dozen and O'Donnell says there are none. However it goes will go a long way in swaying me as to how true what each network reports.

This is what really pisses me off about the case.

There are witnesses that are obviously saying different things.

It would be a totally different matter if the damn cop car had a dashcam with sound.

Sure, you can pay for it by simply taking the money from Ferguson's education funding...they don't seem to be using that money anyway.

[houndawg]

The disconnect I haven't seen addressed yet is the Crenshaw video. The shooter doesn't look like he has any damage to his face. He had just been brutally assaulted and had a busted eye socket yet he managed to pursue the kid and shoot very accurately at a range that didn't leave any powder burns on the kid.

Not sure what the "Crenshaw video" is. Link?
I saw one video of him pacing near the body. I was, somewhat, looking to see if he showed any actions as to being injured. The camera was way to far away to see any marks on his face, but I was looking for him to put his hand up to his face/eye or something. I didn't notice it the one time I watched it, but I'll have to watch it again closer.
But still, I'm not sold that any of that would matter. it would help, but it would not be the one piece of evidence needed. The hospital would have taken photos and xrays. THAT is what is more important.

Congrats on noticing, your buddies won't touch it..

His uniform isn't even rumpled and he just struggled with and took a blow, that should have KOd him if it did break his eye socket, from a 300lb. kid. Instead he's out of the car in a flash, chases and guns the kid down within 35 ft. of the car with a nice tight group to the body and a couple of finishing head shots. He does this with a fractured skull. And then we get this story about week later and a half later, not long after the shooter has a girlfriend go to the media with his version of events in a move that would normally get him into deep kimche with his superior officers. I think if the officer had a fractured skull from the encounter he would have received prompt treatment and the xrays would have hit the street at least as quickly as the photo of somebody alleged to be Brown stealing cigars.

[CAA Flagship]

I've seen several interviews of Dorian Johnson. I have to say that many of his accounts have been consistent from one interview to another. He has made a couple of unintended mistakes but I don't think they are of major concern.

But one thing I have been wondering is:

He said Wilson told them to "Get the fuck on the sidewalk" after having driven right up next to them. Then he pulled away, but then stopped and backed up rapidly and stopped on a diagonal where he essentially blocked the whole road. Apparently, this maneuver was such that he stopped mere inches from them, and he tried to open the door but it only opened an inch or so before hitting Brown and (to lesser extent) Johnson.

First, while possible, it seems to be a long shot that he could back up rapidly and stop that close to them. And the more likely possibility would be if he turned the wheel to the left (vs. the right) while backing up and stopping in a diagonal position. (I have not seen what direction he turned to get in that position.)

Second, what made Wilson stop and back up after initially pulling away? Several theories can be made here, but the most probable is that they made no effort to get out of the road. Maybe they yelled something as he pulled away. Maybe Wilson caught a glimpse of the cigars as he pulled away. I don't know. It will be interesting to find out.

But getting back to the first point, could it be that after backing up, Brown and Johnson approached the car, thus placing them so close?

Anyone have any thoughts here?

[ASUG8]

Has a tornado blown through Ferguson - I mean, a really selective one that sucks the shirts off every male in town?

[andy7171]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jx3WLnt6Q8[/youtube]

[Skjellyfetti]

Let's make a bet...do you think the number of officers shot in England will go up or down over the next decade?

I'm going with the up.

Hmm. Ok. Doubt anyone will check on this in 10 years... but, I'll play along.

And, how many police officers were shot in Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya?

Why is that?

They're warzones, dumbass. It's not even remotely comparable.

[89Hen]

Look at countries with low rates of police officers killed in the line of duty and follow their results.

Fuck, most cops in the UK don't even carry guns.

13 police officers killed in the line of duty in the last decade. 5 police officers shot in the the UK in the last decade.

Why is that?

Before you whip out a chart, just tell me what you think the solution is.
It seems you are suggesting a UK model. So how do we get from where we are to where they are?

Tube is out of the toothpaste.

[CAA Flagship]

Not sure what the "Crenshaw video" is. Link?
I saw one video of him pacing near the body. I was, somewhat, looking to see if he showed any actions as to being injured. The camera was way to far away to see any marks on his face, but I was looking for him to put his hand up to his face/eye or something. I didn't notice it the one time I watched it, but I'll have to watch it again closer.
But still, I'm not sold that any of that would matter. it would help, but it would not be the one piece of evidence needed. The hospital would have taken photos and xrays. THAT is what is more important.

Congrats on noticing, your buddies won't touch it..

His uniform isn't even rumpled and he just struggled with and took a blow, that should have KOd him if it did break his eye socket, from a 300lb. kid. Instead he's out of the car in a flash, chases and guns the kid down within 35 ft. of the car with a nice tight group to the body and a couple of finishing head shots. He does this with a fractured skull. And then we get this story about week later and a half later, not long after the shooter has a girlfriend go to the media with his version of events in a move that would normally get him into deep kimche with his superior officers. I think if the officer had a fractured skull from the encounter he would have received prompt treatment and the xrays would have hit the street at least as quickly as the photo of somebody alleged to be Brown stealing cigars.

I don't know how you can tell if his uniform is "rumpled" or not. And I don't know how your uniform can get "rumpled" from a punch to the eye. I'm wondering about the eye injury, though. Yeah the girlfriend story is weird.

Tell me how a 300 lb person can have so much trouble escaping from a person's grip in the situation as described (i.e. officer seated in car, reaching out with left hand (not sure if dominant hand or not), etc.). And while trying to escape, he turned to Johnson and told him to hold the cigars. Honestly, that sounds more like a person attacking the cop rather than a person trying to break free.

[YoUDeeMan]

Let's make a bet...do you think the number of officers shot in England will go up or down over the next decade?

I'm going with the up.

Hmm. Ok. Doubt anyone will check on this in 10 years... but, I'll play along.

And, how many police officers were shot in Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya?

Why is that?

They're warzones, dumbass. It's not even remotely comparable.

You don't think Detroit is a war zone? Do you think people are being shot in a friendly game of chicken?

You don't think there is a war going on in LA? Perhaps they play checkers to determine turf boundaries.

Yes, because when we have more deaths and shootings in a weekend in Chicago than in Baghdad, you can classify the Iranian deaths as casualties of war, but the American deaths are simply about gun control.

[LeadBolt]

Great analysis from E. T. Williams:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B2PfVw ... Be&index=3[/youtube]

Preach it Brother!

[LeadBolt]

Jason Riley: "I know something of growing up black in a black neighborhood in the city:



http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeffrey-me ... ce-mission

“the same weekend that this went down in Ferguson, we had 26 shootings in Chicago. But Al Sharpton didn't head to Chicago. He headed to St. Louis because he has an entirely different agenda, which is to continue to blame whites.”

[YoUDeeMan]

Great analysis from E. T. Williams:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B2PfVw ... Be&index=3[/youtube]

Preach it Brother!

Good find, Leadbolt.

E.T. Williams should be on every TV channel available and then go to every city and speak on every street corner.

kkklean, of course, would shout Williams down as an uncle Tom.

[BDKJMU]

They're photojournalists.

I'm going to have to go with: "photographing a news story"

And I'll add, the most trending news story in the country.

99% of the reporters, FNC included, aren't simply providing objective reporting of the story. They are injecting their opinions and themselves into the story, becoming part of the story. The media is as big a problem as the looters & instigators...

[ASUG8]

And I'll add, the most trending news story in the country.

99% of the reporters, FNC included, aren't simply providing objective reporting of the story. They are injecting their opinions and themselves into the story, becoming part of the story. The media is as big a problem as the looters & instigators...

Welcome to 24 hour news channels, where they have to fill time with interviewees about "what if..." and "don't you think...."

[93henfan]

Office GoFuckYourself has been suspended. Just saw that on CNN.

[89Hen]

I don't know how you can tell if his uniform is "rumpled" or not...

Guys like houndawg know everything as soon as the story breaks, while some of us let it play out because we don't have a first hand account.

[houndawg]

Congrats on noticing, your buddies won't touch it..

His uniform isn't even rumpled and he just struggled with and took a blow, that should have KOd him if it did break his eye socket, from a 300lb. kid. Instead he's out of the car in a flash, chases and guns the kid down within 35 ft. of the car with a nice tight group to the body and a couple of finishing head shots. He does this with a fractured skull. And then we get this story about week later and a half later, not long after the shooter has a girlfriend go to the media with his version of events in a move that would normally get him into deep kimche with his superior officers. I think if the officer had a fractured skull from the encounter he would have received prompt treatment and the xrays would have hit the street at least as quickly as the photo of somebody alleged to be Brown stealing cigars.

I don't know how you can tell if his uniform is "rumpled" or not. And I don't know how your uniform can get "rumpled" from a punch to the eye. I'm wondering about the eye injury, though. Yeah the girlfriend story is weird.

Tell me how a 300 lb person can have so much trouble escaping from a person's grip in the situation as described (i.e. officer seated in car, reaching out with left hand (not sure if dominant hand or not), etc.). And while trying to escape, he turned to Johnson and told him to hold the cigars. Honestly, that sounds more like a person attacking the cop rather than a person trying to break free.

Don't get wild on me, my point is that he doesn't look like he just had a 300lb kid halfway in the car with him going for his gun, you'd think he'd bust a button or something, maybe he did, I don't know. As for being left-handed, IF he is then the story is certain bullshit since the eye he would have sighted with wasn't available because of his busted eye socket.

And tell me how the officer wasn't KOd by a blow that fractured his eye socket. I suspect we'll find the source of these x rays to be some right-wing wackjob like BDMBFK or Teabagged who got them from a textbook or something...

And the girlfriend story is more than a little weird, you know he was told to lay low and shut up. Maybe he figures the real story as he sees it isn't going to be told.....

[houndawg]

I don't know how you can tell if his uniform is "rumpled" or not...

Guys like houndawg know everything as soon as the story breaks, while some of us let it play out because we don't have a first hand account.

You're going to be so embarrassed when I'm right about the x rays and everybody going to be whenever you post....

[andy7171]

You can fracture a bone and not get knocked out. I know Sean Casey the baseball player. He got hit in the face on a throw to first that he wasn't ready for or looking. He didn't get KO'ed. Suffered same injury. I'm guessing much worse than dough boys punch. Just saying.