SDSU-USD Game Finally Set For 2012

[JBB]

There were only 4 places in the MVFC this year: first, second, third and last. There was a lot of parity among some of the nations best teams.

The NDSU BISON were tied for 3rd place with several other teams, all of them good. SIU trailed badly losing every tie breaker in heartbreak land. Some say coaching others say injury.

By seasons end The BISON had gelled into one of the nations best teams. They were fulfilling the promise of that stunning upset of Big 12 Charter Member The Kansas Jayhawks to open the 2010 BISON Campaign.

The final pole tells it all. No team from the MVFC was ranked higher. The regular season results tend to support the argument the BISON werent the best team in the MVFC. The final National Poll, a consensus of the nations top experts, had The NDSU BISON ranked in the top 10. That supports my position.

[JBB]

"It's been the largest sporting event in the history of the Dakotas." ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? I know for a FACT that the Nickel Trophy games were WAY bigger than any "Dakota marker" trophy. It is sad if you have forgotten that. The nickel trophy is a key part to NDSU and UND's history. I'm sure SDSU & USD would agree that their rivalry was MUCH bigger than our little dakota marker rivalry is. It was a nice addition to spark a dull rivalry between SDSU & NDSU, and it has filled in the void left by the Nickel Trophy game. I'm glad to see SD finally realizing they need that rivalry back. Hopefully ND follows

You are flat out wrong, incorrect, mistaken, bullshitting, dreaming, etc.

THE LARGEST SPORTING EVENTS IN THE HISTORY OF THE DAKOTA TERRITORIES ARE THE MARKER GAMES. ITS A MATTER OF RECORD. HIGHEST ATTENDANCE EVER AT THE FABULOUS FARGO DOME IS FOR THE MARKER. HIGHEST ATTENDANCE AT CAUGHLIN EVER WAS FOR THE MARKER GAME.

You have it right. The nickel is part of history but it is not part of the future. You are wallowing in the mud of the past. The Big 3 Dakota schools are: NDSU, SDSU and USD. You can play und all you want but it wont count as far as the de facto championship goes.

[Thundering Herd]

"It's been the largest sporting event in the history of the Dakotas." ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? I know for a FACT that the Nickel Trophy games were WAY bigger than any "Dakota marker" trophy. It is sad if you have forgotten that. The nickel trophy is a key part to NDSU and UND's history. I'm sure SDSU & USD would agree that their rivalry was MUCH bigger than our little dakota marker rivalry is. It was a nice addition to spark a dull rivalry between SDSU & NDSU, and it has filled in the void left by the Nickel Trophy game. I'm glad to see SD finally realizing they need that rivalry back. Hopefully ND follows

You are flat out wrong, incorrect, mistaken, bullshitting, dreaming, etc.

THE LARGEST SPORTING EVENTS IN THE HISTORY OF THE DAKOTA TERRITORIES ARE THE MARKER GAMES. ITS A MATTER OF RECORD. HIGHEST ATTENDANCE EVER AT THE FABULOUS FARGO DOME IS FOR THE MARKER. HIGHEST ATTENDANCE AT CAUGHLIN EVER WAS FOR THE MARKER GAME.

You have it right. The nickel is part of history but it is not part of the future. You are wallowing in the mud of the past. The Big 3 Dakota schools are: NDSU, SDSU and USD. You can play und all you want but it wont count as far as the de facto championship goes.

That is true, but in December, the first NDSU-UND basketball game since we moved up was played in the FargoDome and had 10,000+ fans (By far a NDSU basketball record). Just imagine the attendence for the first football game back... 20,000+ is a possibility if they sell a lot of SRO tickets. The fans want to see these rivalries back. The numbers speak for themselves.

I would bet that the SDSU-USD game in 2012 will set an attendence record for SDSU, or be very close to it.

[JBB]

That game was all promotional hype. 2,500 tickets given away by BWW. Lots of comps handed out, lots of empty seats, boring game and no atmosphere. There was very little there for the folks that want to take the program down memory lane. Whats good for basketball may not be good for football. Its best to look ahead. If they were to join the same conference they would be in, but they arent. Play UND all you want but it doesnt mean a hoot as far as the Big 3 are concerned.

I dont think the SDSU fans are too excited about the renewal with USD. The fact we are all in the same conference playing for the same stakes that we played for as elite members of the old NCC establishes a bond between the schools and a true claim to the Championship of the Dakota Territories. If Und happens to beat one of the three in their OOC games it wont give them any claim to anything because they arent in the group. Its like saying University of Sioux Falls won the GWC because they beat UND. It doesnt make any sense.

If the USD game sets an attendance record at SDSU it will be a good thing for the Big 3. It will substantiate what I am saying about this elite group of the Big Dakota 3: NDSU, SDSU and USD.

[SloStang]

You are flat out wrong, incorrect, mistaken, bullshitting, dreaming, etc.


You have it right. The nickel is part of history but it is not part of the future. You are wallowing in the mud of the past. The Big 3 Dakota schools are: NDSU, SDSU and USD. You can play und all you want but it wont count as far as the de facto championship goes.

That is true, but in December, the first NDSU-UND basketball game since we moved up was played in the FargoDome and had 10,000+ fans (By far a NDSU basketball record). Just imagine the attendence for the first football game back... 20,000+ is a possibility if they sell a lot of SRO tickets. The fans want to see these rivalries back. The numbers speak for themselves.

I would bet that the SDSU-USD game in 2012 will set an attendence record for SDSU, or be very close to it.

JBB can wallow in the past when it is convenient to his arguement and ignore facts like attendance figures at a basketball game when it does not fit his arguement. The big 3 is something only in JBB's mind.

[JBB]

Whats your point slostang? You are talking basketball attendance at a game that was heavily subsidized with attendance over stated. Even if you take it at face value it doesnt put UND in the Big 3. Thats the point. Play them in basketball. Good. Play them in football. Good. But they arent in the Big 3 and the results of any contest with them will not count in the Dakota Territory Football Championship. That is the providence of the Big 3 Dakota Schools: NDSU, SDSU and USD.

The traditions of the NCC are restored for the Big 3: NDSU, SDSU and USD. UND is not part of that club and traditions are not restored. They play out west somewhere and dont have any stake in the conference titles, playoff spots, the Dakota Territory Football Championship and home field for playoffs that the Big 3 share. A game against UND is only an OOC game nothing else. It might draw, it might not. The last game in GF didnt sell out. But your point is moot if you think a basketball game makes them a member of the elite Dakota Big 3.

The Big 3 are traditional rivals playing for the same historic stakes they did in the elite NCC. UND is not in that situation. They play schools like Weber State, Cal Poly, Portland etc. None of them are in the Dakotas and none of them have a stake in the Dakota Territory Football Championship. In that sense they are the same as UND.

Now maybe Ill finish with some sort of nasty insult about you slostang, its something I am learning from you and a few others. But, on second thought you are doing a fine job of making yourself look bad, you dont need my help. Maybe you should talk to someone about your inability to maintain a civil discourse with folks that dont agree with you? Just a suggestion.

[Trapped in CA]

"Big 3 of the Dakotas" is the metaphorical equivalent of being the world's tallest midget

[SloStang]

Now maybe Ill finish with some sort of nasty insult about you slostang, its something I am learning from you and a few others. But, on second thought you are doing a fine job of making yourself look bad, you dont need my help. Maybe you should talk to someone about your inability to maintain a civil discourse with folks that dont agree with you? Just a suggestion.

JBB if I am the problem why is it that I have never been banned from any message board and you have been banned from one NDSU's boards and over at AGS. I think you need to take a long look in the mirror and do a little self evaluation. When you can not even get along with the fans of your own team you may have a problem. I do not appologize to you, but I do apppologize to this board for ruining many threads argueing with you. I will try to do better in the future and ignore your bs.

[Green Laser]

"Big 3 of the Dakotas" is the metaphorical equivalent of being the world's tallest midget

[Thundering Herd]

Now maybe Ill finish with some sort of nasty insult about you slostang, its something I am learning from you and a few others. But, on second thought you are doing a fine job of making yourself look bad, you dont need my help. Maybe you should talk to someone about your inability to maintain a civil discourse with folks that dont agree with you? Just a suggestion.

JBB if I am the problem why is it that I have never been banned from any message board and you have been banned from one NDSU's boards and over at AGS. I think you need to take a long look in the mirror and do a little self evaluation. When you can not even get along with the fans of your own team you may have a problem. I do not appologize to you, but I do apppologize to this board for ruining many threads argueing with you. I will try to do better in the future and ignore your bs.

Apology excepted SloStang It's hard not to say something though

[JBB]

I accept his apology too. Good man. He did ruin a lot of threads with his intolerant BS.

Now back to the Big 3: NDSU, SDSU and USD.

NOW FOR SOME ADVICE:

The remaining legacy of the great NCC will play each other in a round robin every year. A clear champion will emerge. Every contest will be huge because each is a championship event for the Dakota Title. UND wont be playing all of the Big 3 so they are just another competitor OOC, nothing more. The tradition, Ill say "THE GREAT TRADITION OF THE NCC" is now in the hands of the Big 3: NDSU, SDSU and USD.

[clenz]

"Big 3 of the Dakotas" is the metaphorical equivalent of being the world's tallest midget

I thought the "Big 4" thing here in Iowa (UNI, Iowa, Iowa State, and Drake for those that don't know) was crazy...a "Big 3" that leaves a school out and covers that much area....well...

[SloStang]

Cal Poly will get a good look at both SDSU and USD as both visit Spanos Stadium in 2011. Glad to see the Jacks back on the schedule.

[JBB]

UND isnt left out, they just left. USD made the move to the Summit and MVFC and restored the old traditions with the Mighty Land Grants. Its just silly to include a school that doesnt play each of the BIG 3 every year and doesnt compete with them for anything except a win.

Cal Poly plays 2 of the BIG 3 this coming season, that doesnt make the Mustangs a member of the Dakota BIG 3. They just dont have a dog in the fight any more than UND does. Its time for UND to develop new traditions with all of their new rivals out west. Maybe they can do something with old NCC conference mate UNC? But fact is they dont play in the Dakotas anymore and dont carry on any legacy with the Elite NCC Legacy Schools in the Dakotas.

The BIG Dakota 3 are reunited as the Dakota NCC legacy schools enjoying conference competition in Division 1. They are playing for all the marbles. Im sure Cal Poly is looking forward to the South Dakota schools making the trip but certainly they aren't trying to pretend they are BIG 3 legacy games.

[SloStang]

Did I say that playing SDSU and USD would make Poly a member of the made up big 3? No I did not. This thread is not about a made up big 3, it is about SDSU and USD. Keeping with the topic of the thread, SDSU and USD, I said that Cal Poly will get a good look at both in 2011 seeing that both travel to SLO. Stay on topic please.

[Thundering Herd]

Did I say that playing SDSU and USD would make Poly a member of the made up big 3? No I did not. This thread is not about a made up big 3, it is about SDSU and USD. Keeping with the topic of the thread, SDSU and USD, I said that Cal Poly will get a good look at both in 2011 seeing that both travel to SLO. Stay on topic please.

[JBB]

When the SDSU/USD game was scheduled a lot of things were set in motion. The game represents the last formality in the reuniting of The Big 3 Dakota Schools in Conference competition and in competition for the Football Championship of the Dakotas.

***********OFF TOPIC DISCUSSION**************

Slostang made a big deal out of the Dakota Legacy schools forming the Big 3. He thinks it should be the big 4 and to prove his point He figured that he would insult me. Here are a couple of his "on-topic" gems:

JBB can wallow in the past when it is convenient to his arguement and ignore facts like attendance figures at a basketball game when it does not fit his arguement. The big 3 is something only in JBB's mind.

This is coming from a guy who is such a punk that he gets banned from his own school's message board and it is not the only board you have been banned from. I just have no patience for your anti UND BS and call you on it and you respond with personal insults. The only thing I am intolerant of is you and your BS. What a sad little man you are.

Maybe Skoal said it best:

Look who showed up right on cue, UND's toadie from Cali! I don't know why or when slostang started his internet crusade against all things NDSU, but today's slostang is quite different than the one that used to post at Bisonville and AGS. I don't understand why you are so negatively obsessed with NDSU, the two teams haven't played in years. Feeling betrayed over NDSU/SDSU leaving the Great West? Perceived loyalty to UND now that they are conference mates?

As much as slostang want's to turn this into a NDSU/UND flame thread, I will not let him goad me into posting UND smack. I will not attack UND for his twisted sense of amusement. It is not fair to the other posters here who want to talk about the 3 MVFC Dakota schools. Not everything needs to be about UND, slostang.

**********resume topic discussion***************


Fact is you cant discuss this game without discussing the Big 3 Dakota Legacy schools. Its not a controversial issue unless you are anally obsessed with some type of fetish attraction to UND.

Its sad to see a person like slostand crumble into a heap of frustrated, vengeful intolerance. Yes this thread is about the SDSU/USD game. But remember, that is the first game in what will become the restored elite NCC Legacy Schools from the Dakotas, the Big 3: NDSU, SDSU and USD.

Im glad the game was scheduled and certainly slostangs saccharin interest not withstanding, it is a big deal here in the Dakota Territories. Im glad to see slostang is not pretending Cal Poly is among the Big 3 because they are playing both SDSU and USD, but really slostang cal poly is no different than UND when it comes to belonging to the Big 3. You have correctly observed, by deduction, that neither has a legitimate claim to the honor.

[SloStang]

Just can not stay on topic can you.

I appologized for going off topic and will not let you pull me off again. Can you say the same? Now back to the topic of SDSU and USD. I think it is great for the state of South Dakota that the two premier schools will play each other in 2012. Good for both schools and good for the state.

[JBB]

I accepted your apology. I too am sorry that you are unable to control yourself but encouraged as you seem intent on self improvement. If you do back slide remember you have friends here that are ready to help you get back up on your feet and find the straight and narrow. It wont be easy, but you can do it.

Here is a little history of the Dakota Territories. It should help put in context the importance of the Big 3 NCC Dakota Legacy Schools NDSU, SDSU and USD and where we are today in the Football Championship of the Dakotas:

This weekend marks the 150th anniversary of the formation of the Dakota Territory.

The U.S. Senate passed legislation creating the territory on Feb. 26, 1861. President James Buchanan signed it into law on March 2, less than 48 hours before his term ended.

The area originally included much of what is now Montana and Wyoming. Dakota Territory was divided into the states of North Dakota and South Dakota on November 2, 1889.

[JBB]

In the past there was no Big 3 or Dakota Territory Football Championship. When the Mighty Land Grants made the move to D1 UND and USD quit playing. UND was hell-bent for leather attacking the NDSU move at every turn, even in the State legislature. It was an amazing display of a state supported institution melting down and going crazy. USD on the other hand was just along for the ride, under the UND influence of anger and frustration that was vaulting UND into a alarming, but humorous/abusrd, state of flailing self-destruction.

As things turned out the Mighty Land Grants established the Border Marker game and the de facto Football championship of the Dakotas. The event was huge. The largest sporting events every held in the Dakotas. It was amazing as both the Mighty Land Grants also enjoyed huge attendance increases in all sports.

In the meantime attendance for the outsiders was falling as was athletic success. USD began to question why they were aligning with UND. The alliance had nothing to offer, it was a losing proposition. As this realization matured USD was admitted into the Summit. A bit later the Big Sky came calling a little desperate themselves. UND, as is their way, bolted immediately and ran after the first stick thrown. Woof, Woof.

The entire spectacle was reminiscent of UNDs staggering and lurching drunken sailor odyssey into D1 in the first place.

USD was a little more cautious and thoughtful. They kept the lines open with the Big Sky but also began to talk with the MVFC. In a brilliant move they were able to maneuver through the situation and gain a berth in the MVFC restoring something to the Dakotas that many felt had been lost. It reunited old rivals in conference competition and the Big 3 was born!

[SloStang]

No appology offer to you so there is none for you to accept. None will ever be offered. I am willing to move on and obviously you are not. Grow up and move on. This is not a UND or NDSU thread, it is a SDSU and USD thread. Please stay on topic.

[JBB]

Well! Talk about haughty! My word slostang. I've never been witness to such unbecoming behavior!

This should be a real good matchup. SDSU is carrying the flag of the larger program and an original co-founder of the de-facto Dakota territory Football Championship along with NDSU.

USD is coming in looking for a chance to redeem themselves.

The set-up:

There are elements of the natural rivalry between in-state institutions.

There are elements of the MVFC battle.

There is the added excitement of Big 3 competition

Depending on the strength of the teams:

1) there could be playoff opportunities at stake.
2) there could be national ranking at stake
3) there could be home playoff games at stake
4) there are MVFC standings at stake, possibly the championship

Because they are members of the Dakota NCC Legacy Schools Big 3:

1) there will be elements of the Dakota Big 3 Championship at stake
2) there will be the mystic of the legacy "stakes" associated with the Dakota traditions shared by the Big 3
3) there will be huge fan interest across the Dakotas

What might be considered:

1) Inaugural game for a traveling trophy given to the winner of any Dakota NCC Big 3 Legacy game
2) Use the spelling Dacotah when promoting the Dakota NCC Legacy Schools Big 3 competition.

[Thumper 76]

I gotta say that I like the NDSU rivalry better than the USD one for the fact that I can go up and party with the NDSU guys, but it still is a heated rivalry where there is no other team I would rather beat. There is a ton of trash thrown around at each other before, during and after the game but its not something that people start brawls over and such because both fan bases have respect for each other in general (even though dem Bison fans may be a bit big headed). Plus the games always tend to have a big impact on either team. From '07 on the games have had large implications on the conference race, or playoff implications. This won't be true for the latter rivalry for a while, which makes it a lesser rivalry IMO.

The USD-SDSU rivalry is one of just pure hate. No respect between either side except for some lame olive branch offerings on the message boards. When we had USD come up to Brookings a while back to play a womens bball game they were so worried about it getting out of hand that they made people take shirts off or turn them inside out that said Screw the U go back to DII. Really not that vicious of a shirt IMHO, but they are that worried about a spark setting the rivalry back to what it was, which is inevietable if you ask me. Hell, at their homecoming USD still has shirts that trash on SDSU, and we haven't played for years. Once the football and mens bball games start up again, things are going to go back to the old hate that there was. Its too deeply embedded in the people of SD. When a rivalry goes as long as this one has, you can't just wash away the way people feel about the other team. Sure that first game may set attendance records, but it will be because its been so long since they have played each other, not because is has much of an affect on standings or anything, because USD hasn't found its footing yet in the FCS world and aren't going to be quite up to snuff with the Jacks because they had the late start in making the jump. Will they eventually be a contender in the MVC? I think eventually maybe, but right now and in 2012, I don't think so. I think this will deteriorate into what the rivalry between Wisconsin and Minnesota is, just with more hate in it. Both teams are rivals and dislike each other due to proximity, but when was the last time anyone was excited to see the outcome of a Badgers-Gophers football game outside of the fanbases?

I think that this would be the same for the NDSU-UND fanbase because of the same reasons I posted above. I think that the game will be good for the state of SD, but may backfire on USD should they start getting beat year in and year out by SDSU due to both teams fighting over the Souix Falls market, and I would have to say that its easier to win that market if you can place yourself head and shoulders above your competitors on the field of play.

[JBB]

Thats a big drawback for you guys at SDSU, Ill certainly admit that. There is no question in my mind that the SDSU rivalry is far more fun than the UND game ever was too.

Those folks think a rivalry has to be hate and fight and quarrel, all things negative. Its like a cancer and can spread to other people too as we saw earlier in the thread with slostang.

I either laugh or shake my head when they try and talk down the NDSU/SDSU rivalry by pointing out nobody is bitter or angry like they are. I guess they are motivated by hate? But, its an unanswered question why they are like that at UND and If i hear you correctly you are saying that about USD.

The game between USD and NDSU has always been cordial so as far as the Big 3 go its easier for us than you fans at SDSU.

[SloStang]

Thats a big drawback for you guys at SDSU, Ill certainly admit that. There is no question in my mind that the SDSU rivalry is far more fun than the UND game ever was too.

Those folks think a rivalry has to be hate and fight and quarrel, all things negative. Its like a cancer and can spread to other people too as we saw earlier in the thread with slostang.

I either laugh or shake my head when they try and talk down the NDSU/SDSU rivalry by pointing out nobody is bitter or angry like they are. I guess they are motivated by hate? But, its an unanswered question why they are like that at UND and If i hear you correctly you are saying that about USD.

The game between USD and NDSU has always been cordial so as far as the Big 3 go its easier for us than you fans at SDSU.

Can not let it lie can you. I am not a UND fan. If I favor UND over NDSU (I do not) it would only be because you are not a fan of UND. I have always respected NDSU and 99% of the Bison fans. Not that I need to say it, but you are in the 1%. You are all that you say is wrong with the rivalry. You are bitter, angry and full of hate and it colors all you do and say here. UND's hate did not spread to me, your hate did. Leave me out of your hate fest.