Charlotte declines full CAA membership, wants football-only

[49RFootballNow]

A10 has a bigger TV contract than the CAA do they not. No one would take a pay cut. I don't see anyone turning down joining if it brings in more money.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/4928 ... im-the-fat

Why does the Atlantic 10 have a television contract that would embarrass low major conferences such as the NEAC or the MAC?

The answer is simple, the bottom of the Atlantic 10 is a pitiful collection of pathetic basketball programs that put no effort into their programs and ultimately cause great damage to those Atlantic 10 schools that do try to put a respectable product on the court. The bottom of the conference is littered with RPI poison and schools that have no fans or following.

Bleacher Report?

[89Hen]

ooooh quotes from the bleacher report. Let me bust out the Enquirer to respond to that. There's no NEAC in D-I or D-II by the way. You can't just cut La Salle, but keep reading their shit.

Then find me their lucrative TV contract.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Then you're retarded because currently the best program is VCU. Those numbers don't mean shit. No 1 or 2's are in the final four. I believe Butler again and VCU told the RPI find a new formula

This is worthless if I have to stop and explain everything to you.

Why don't you talk to Ralph so you can be the smart one in the conversation.

[dbackjon]

This is worthless if I have to stop and explain everything to you.

Why don't you talk to Ralph so you can be the smart one in the conversation.

Note:

89Hen was quoting Director's Cup standings, which take into account ALL sports. Basketball is not finished. VCU will get a big boost from that. But it looks at ALL sports.

[Fresno St. Alum]

ooooh quotes from the bleacher report. Let me bust out the Enquirer to respond to that. There's no NEAC in D-I or D-II by the way. You can't just cut La Salle, but keep reading their shit.

Then find me their lucrative TV contract.

Why, you'll just make something else up as a comeback. I know it is. You can ask collegesportsinfo he keeps all that shit on file. If for some amazing reason it's not then the 2 conf would be meh towads each other. If the A10 expands I see Butler as the first option anyway. This is really a useless conversation but I still enjoy arguing.

[89Hen]

Why don't you talk to Ralph so you can be the smart one in the conversation.

Note:

89Hen was quoting Director's Cup standings, which take into account ALL sports. Basketball is not finished. VCU will get a big boost from that. But it looks at ALL sports.

I figured when I said

You say the A10 is more than bball. Did you know that there are only FOUR teams from the A10 that are even in the Director's Cup stadings?

that he might realize the standings that followed were in fact more than bball and were the Director's Cup standings.

My bad.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Why don't you talk to Ralph so you can be the smart one in the conversation.

Note:

89Hen was quoting Director's Cup standings, which take into account ALL sports. Basketball is not finished. VCU will get a big boost from that. But it looks at ALL sports.

Whatever he thinks will make his case. Stanford/UCLA are good in director cups but no one thinks they're a better bball or football program than Oregon/Auburn or Duke/UNC. The Big 10 didn't come after a school for their dCup stats. just like the MWC didn't come after Boise Fresno Nevada for their lack of it

[89Hen]

Why, you'll just make something else up as a comeback. I know it is. You can ask collegesportsinfo he keeps all that shit on file. If for some amazing reason it's not then the 2 conf would be meh towads each other. If the A10 expands I see Butler as the first option anyway. This is really a useless conversation but I still enjoy arguing.

I can't find the numbers anywhere. It was an honest question. When you search for A10 TV contract or revenue, that's all that comes back. Can't be too lucrative if the A10 website didn't have any press releases about it.

[89Hen]

Whatever he thinks will make his case. Stanford/UCLA are good in director cups but no one thinks they're a better bball or football program than Oregon/Auburn or Duke/UNC. The Big 10 didn't come after a school for their dCup stats. just like the MWC didn't come after Boise Fresno Nevada for their lack of it

Again, this is a lot less fun when you can't keep up. The Director's Cup standings were in reponse to:

Go back to school if you think the A10 only care about basketball.

I clearly said that. But the fact that you thought those were basketball rankings... maybe I am wasting my breath.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Why, you'll just make something else up as a comeback. I know it is. You can ask collegesportsinfo he keeps all that shit on file. If for some amazing reason it's not then the 2 conf would be meh towads each other. If the A10 expands I see Butler as the first option anyway. This is really a useless conversation but I still enjoy arguing.

I can't find the numbers anywhere. It was an honest question. When you search for A10 TV contract or revenue, that's all that comes back. Can't be too lucrative if the A10 website didn't have any press releases about it.

I told you who has them. If you don't believe me, it's fine. I got all kinds of hate from the App St. fans when I said they'd have to start in the SBC or MAC if they moved up, they showed me this article how a CUSA invite was coming they just need to make sure they can afford it yada yada. not happening!

I'm aware my posts on this stuff aren't popular because no one wants to hear that a conf. who has looked equal at best over the last 5 years(small in the 100s of years these schools have been around where more than one school has left for the A10.) to the CAA would leave for the A10 but if the spot came open and a CAA got an invite, they'd go. SoCon is the real overall match to the CAA. No one will leave either for the other as far as I can see.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Whatever he thinks will make his case. Stanford/UCLA are good in director cups but no one thinks they're a better bball or football program than Oregon/Auburn or Duke/UNC. The Big 10 didn't come after a school for their dCup stats. just like the MWC didn't come after Boise Fresno Nevada for their lack of it

Again, this is a lot less fun when you can't keep up. The Director's Cup standings were in reponse to:

Go back to school if you think the A10 only care about basketball.

I clearly said that. But the fact that you thought those were basketball rankings... maybe I am wasting my breath.

yeah I just saw rankings and jumped on bball, my bad. but like i said DCup rankings didn't get Nebraska and Colorado into their new conf. or keep Boise Fresno Nevada out of theirs. So if you wanna hang on me missing a post that has nothing to do with conf. movement, by all means keep quoting it.

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I couldn't find what the contract is worth, but men's CAA basketball games reached 20,221,810 televisions last year.

[89Hen]

I'm aware my posts on this stuff aren't popular because no one wants to hear that a conf. who has looked equal at best over the last 5 years(small in the 100s of years these schools have been around where more than one school has left for the A10.) to the CAA would leave for the A10 but if the spot came open and a CAA got an invite, they'd go.

It's not that. it's the fact that you are trying to pass your opinion off as fact.

The facts are:
- The A10 is BARELY higher rated in basketball.
- It maybe has a better TV contract at the moment.
- The CAA has more highly rated schools when it comes to overall athletics.
- The CAA has put two different teams in the Final Four in the last 5 years.

Whether an ODU, VCU, W&M, whomever would accept an invite to join the A10 is PURE SPECULATION on your part. All three of those schoools have a LOT more in common with their fellow CAA schools than A10 schools.

[Fresno St. Alum]

I couldn't find what the contract is worth, but men's CAA basketball games reached 20,221,810 televisions last year.

Quinn should have it somewhere. Like I said if some how the CAA makes more money then no one would leave for A10. As long as it's not they would. Even if somehow the A10 is a little less I don't see them "stepping down" (in their mind) to join or re-join the CAA.

[89Hen]

Quinn should have it somewhere. Like I said if some how the CAA makes more money then no one would leave for A10. As long as it's not they would. Even if somehow the A10 is a little less I don't see them "stepping down" (in their mind) to join or re-join the CAA.

I'm not sure anyone has said that.

[Fresno St. Alum]

I'm aware my posts on this stuff aren't popular because no one wants to hear that a conf. who has looked equal at best over the last 5 years(small in the 100s of years these schools have been around where more than one school has left for the A10.) to the CAA would leave for the A10 but if the spot came open and a CAA got an invite, they'd go.

It's not that. it's the fact that you are trying to pass your opinion off as fact.

The facts are:
- The A10 is BARELY higher rated in basketball.
- It maybe has a better TV contract at the moment.
- The CAA has more highly rated schools when it comes to overall athletics.
- The CAA has put two different teams in the Final Four in the last 5 years.

Whether an ODU, VCU, W&M, whomever would accept an invite to join the A10 is PURE SPECULATION on your part. All three of those schoools have a LOT more in common with their fellow CAA schools than A10 schools.

Are you reading the post. AT BEST the A10 is equal if not shttier than the CAA over the last 5 years. The Top of CAA was better than the top on the A10 This year and maybe a time or 2 in other years. That doesn't make the A10 all of a sudden become the NEC or AEC. You see what I mean?

[dbackjon]

The conferences have different characters. A-10 is mostly smaller private schools, with only four publics (Temple, URI, UMass and Charlotte). All except URI would leave for a good FBS conference in a heartbeat.

CAA is mostly large public schools, with three large, non-religious privates (Drexel, NErn and Hofstra)

[Fresno St. Alum]

Quinn should have it somewhere. Like I said if some how the CAA makes more money then no one would leave for A10. As long as it's not they would. Even if somehow the A10 is a little less I don't see them "stepping down" (in their mind) to join or re-join the CAA.

I'm not sure anyone has said that.

Would the CAA allow Richmond to return as a full member? Probably are we holding our breath, no. Why because the A10 is seen as the better conf. even if it currently isn't, the money must be better too because it makes no sense to be in a conf that pays less and isn't as good as another one that would take you.

[∞∞∞]

I couldn't find what the contract is worth, but men's CAA basketball games reached 20,221,810 televisions last year.

Quinn should have it somewhere. Like I said if some how the CAA makes more money then no one would leave for A10. As long as it's not they would. Even if somehow the A10 is a little less I don't see them "stepping down" (in their mind) to join or re-join the CAA.

BTW, I should've provided a link (page 4):
http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/8500/su ... EM_ID=8500

Interestingly, our top 4 markets are thanks to Hofstra, Drexel, Northeastern, and Georgia State. Here's a clear example (albeit on a lesser scale) why conferences expand into markets that geographically don't make sense.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Quinn should have it somewhere. Like I said if some how the CAA makes more money then no one would leave for A10. As long as it's not they would. Even if somehow the A10 is a little less I don't see them "stepping down" (in their mind) to join or re-join the CAA.

BTW, I should've provided a link (page 4):
http://www.nmnathletics.com/fls/8500/su ... EM_ID=8500

Interestingly, our top 4 markets are thanks to Hofstra, Drexel, Northeastern, and Georgia State. Here's a clear example (albeit on a lesser scale) why conferences expand into markets that geographically don't make sense.

Almighty dollar. It's like drilling for oil, you find a spot that's not too far of a stretch it's worth it if you hit oil(market penetration or assumption of it) Like the WAC did with SJSU

[89Hen]

Are you reading the post. AT BEST the A10 is equal if not shttier than the CAA over the last 5 years. The Top of CAA was better than the top on the A10 This year and maybe a time or 2 in other years. That doesn't make the A10 all of a sudden become the NEC or AEC. You see what I mean?

I guess we have a communication breakdown. Here's what I've read:

FSA: Any CAA school would jump at an invite to the A10.

89: I don't think you can say that with certainty. The A10 is only marginally better at bball, which is where it's supposed to hold the upper hand.

FSA: The A10 is more than bball.

89: When you factor in all sports, the A10 is actually inferior. I don't think you can say a team would jump at the offer.

FSA: It's a fact that any CAA school would jump at the offer.

[89Hen]

I'm not sure anyone has said that.

Would the CAA allow Richmond to return as a full member? Probably are we holding our breath, no. Why because the A10 is seen as the better conf. even if it currently isn't, the money must be better too because it makes no sense to be in a conf that pays less and isn't as good as another one that would take you.

I don't think Richmond would return. I also don't think ODU or VCU would jump to the A10. This was my entire point.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Are you reading the post. AT BEST the A10 is equal if not shttier than the CAA over the last 5 years. The Top of CAA was better than the top on the A10 This year and maybe a time or 2 in other years. That doesn't make the A10 all of a sudden become the NEC or AEC. You see what I mean?

I guess we have a communication breakdown. Here's what I've read:

FSA: Any CAA school would jump at an invite to the A10.

89: I don't think you can say that with certainty. The A10 is only marginally better at bball, which is where it's supposed to hold the upper hand.

FSA: The A10 is more than bball.

89: When you factor in all sports, the A10 is actually inferior. I don't think you can say a team would jump at the offer.

FSA: It's a fact that any CAA school would jump at the offer.

you are only talking sports A10 has academic standards B10 's are higher than the SEC. We both can say the SEC is better fb/bball conf. however B10 pays more and has AAU standards that the SEC doesn't meet.

If offered CAA would join A10. Really not important because both conf. are full and the A10 aint going to 15, if they did I say Butler gets the call. Last 5 years CAA>A10 in basketball. That doesn't make it the better conf over it's what 30, 40, 50 years of existence. It also doesn't give it a better TV contract. If it continues for a longer period of time then sure a better contract will come. A10 getting their conf tourney on CBS College and title game on ESPN w/ games thoughout the season. CAA gets a few games/ and only a title game on ESPN, less exposure/money. That's why they'd leave for the A10 if offered

[Fresno St. Alum]

Would the CAA allow Richmond to return as a full member? Probably are we holding our breath, no. Why because the A10 is seen as the better conf. even if it currently isn't, the money must be better too because it makes no sense to be in a conf that pays less and isn't as good as another one that would take you.

I don't think Richmond would return. I also don't think ODU or VCU would jump to the A10. This was my entire point.

See I think the jump would happen. I've been following this for 21 year(conf movement part) but like I said both conf. have more than enough members, no one is going to add anyone from the other for a while. If Charlotte got a full invite to CUSA then I say Butler gets the call. But if it was ODU or VCU then I say they'd go to A10 because of the factor whether they're real (money, better conf, better academics) or some prestige bs made up over time.

[dbackjon]

I don't think Richmond would return. I also don't think ODU or VCU would jump to the A10. This was my entire point.

See I think the jump would happen. I've been following this for 21 year(conf movement part) but like I said both conf. have more than enough members, no one is going to add anyone from the other for a while. If Charlotte got a full invite to CUSA then I say Butler gets the call. But if it was ODU or VCU then I say they'd go to A10 because of the factor whether they're real (money, better conf, better academics) or some prestige bs made up over time.

And I would say with 100% certainity that VCU or ODU would not leave the CAA for the A-10.