Best conferences

[Silenoz]

Well off the top of my head I know multiple teams played NAIA Quincy last year. So... fail

Great West Conference = 2nd best conference in 2009 AMIRITE?

TEAM CONF OVERALL
UC Davis 3-1 6-5
North Dakota 2-2 6-5
South Dakota 2-2 5-5
Southern Utah 2-2 5-6
Cal Poly 1-3 4-7

[AZGrizFan]

Is that such a big deal? Looks pretty similar to the MVFC. I dont think there were any D2s included in the MVFC record either. I do know of at least one BCS/FBS win. Adjust your records for D2/lower division exhibition that shuldnt be included anyway and take a look at the won/loss against BCS/FBS and get back to me, ok man?

Besides, everybody in the Sky above UNC had a guaranteed 3 wins on the schedule. Take 2 of those out because everyone in the MVFC had 1 guaranteed win and things look a little diffent. Things look a lot different when you play in a strong conference with parity then they do in a weaker conference with a top and bottom tier.

You could make a statistician commit suicide.

If you do this and if you do this and if you do that and take this out and adjust that and change this and move that and forget this and fix that and and and and....if you do all those things, somehow in your mind MVFC is the better conference, despite having your conf champ lose to fucking LEHIGH in the first round, having your other entrant be reduced to making excuses about referees and cowbells for shitting themselves against EWU, and despite having NO NC appearances and NO NC's over since YSU decided to take the decade off.

[EWURanger]

Great West was the best conference until NDSU left.

[Gil Dobie]

Great West was the best conference until NDSU left.

The Big Sky stepped up last year, well at least EWU did, bumping the Sky up to #2.

[bjtheflamesfan]

You guys fight like the folks on Desperate Housewives sometimes...who gives a flying hoot which is the best conference?

[EWURanger]

Great West was the best conference until NDSU left.

The Big Sky stepped up last year, well at least EWU did, bumping the Sky up to #2.

Well, I think when a conference has a championship game participant three years running, it's probably at least in the top 3.

[houndawg]

Two trick pony, but if you think about it you've just described every conference not named the CAA or BSC over the past decade.

BSC was One trick. Who else was any good? On the other hand the MVFC had good teams wall-to-wall and it showed in the parity of the final standings.

The idea the conference was down is a provincial viewpoint transferring thier disappointment in their own teams performance to the entire conference.

At least thats what that guy said at a party the other day. You should know that as usual, he had "several" drinks.

JaBBer, nobody in the MVC finished with fewer than five losses.


Boy, you sho is ignurnt...

[Gil Dobie]

The Big Sky stepped up last year, well at least EWU did, bumping the Sky up to #2.

Well, I think when a conference has a championship game participant three years running, it's probably at least in the top 3.

The CAA has been in 7 of the last 8 championship games, won 4 and the So Con has won 3 leaving the BSC with last years title. Winning a title is called stepping up.

[Gil Dobie]

JaBBer, nobody in the MVC finished with fewer than five losses.


Boy, you sho is ignurnt...

Don't know about your basketball converence, MVC, but the football conference, the MVFC had a team in the championship game 6 years ago, and has been down since.

[clenz]

The MVFC had a team play a D2 and a NAIA last season jbb, you dumb fuck

[93henfan]

Clown football!

[clenz]

JaBBer, nobody in the MVC finished with fewer than five losses.


Boy, you sho is ignurnt...

Don't know about your basketball converence, MVC, but the football conference, the MVFC had a team in the championship game 6 years ago, and has been down since.

Oh, also the MVFC of 07 and 08 were twice the conference of 05

[EWURanger]

Well, I think when a conference has a championship game participant three years running, it's probably at least in the top 3.

The CAA has been in 7 of the last 8 championship games, won 4 and the So Con has won 3 leaving the BSC with last years title. Winning a title is called stepping up.

I agree.

Don't think anyone can argue that the CAA has been the top conference........at the moment, I think the SoCon and BSC are fairly similiar, and MVFC is probably fourth, only because they've yet to have a championship participant in the last several years.

Big Sky could probably make a case for the #2 spot, though, seeing as it's had two different schools compete for a NC the last three years, whereas the SoCon has only had App. Will be interesting to see what Ga Southern does this year in that regard.

[JBB]

BSC is a one trick pony. 2 teams at 7-1. Montana State was demolished by the NDSU BISON, some Big Sky Fans say they quit, which is possible to believe. Why wouldn’t they? It was a total beat down. EWU rode a wave of officiating to their snickers title resulting in the huge egos and instant football experts we see emerging from their impressive following.

The rest of the conference is average to terrible. The three bottom teams didn’t beat anybody outside of that elite BSC group. All teams in the Big Sky started with a 3-0 record. That right there tells me there are a lot of homers on this thread that don’t know a thing about football if they are saying the BSC is the best, or second best. The conference can lay claim to 4th maybe.

Oh yea, dont forget the moral victory UND had against Idaho. They will be another great addition!

[kalm]

BSC is a one trick pony. 2 teams at 7-1. Montana State was demolished by the NDSU BISON, some Big Sky Fans say they quit, which is possible to believe. Why wouldnt they. EWU rode a wave of officiating to their snickers title.

The rest of the conference is just plan average to terrible. The three bottom teams didnt beat anybody outside of that elite BSC group. All teams in the Big Sky started with a 3-0 record. That right there tells me there are a lot of homers on this thread that dont know a thing about football if they are saying the BSC is the best, or second best. The conference can lay claim to 4th maybe.

EWU and Montana both started 2-2. Need we explore the rest of the conference to find out how inaccurate you are?

[JBB]

First of all the schedule did not show one FBS win. Tough to lay claim to the best, or even second best, if you cant compete. NDSU defeated BCS Kansas last year in its long, impressive run against the BCS squads.

Next, take a look at the bottom 3 teams. All 3 are among the worst in the country and assured everyone else in the conference at least 3 wins.

The conference had 2 good teams at 7-1 (4-1) without the gimmees), neither were that good, one quits after they get kicked around for 3 qtrs, or were just soundly beaten, the other skates in for a snickers behind bill fette.

After that its 5-3 (2-3) if you take out the gimmees.

Then you come to NA, 4-4 (1-4) if you take out the gimmees.

Then you have the 3 gimmees. Not impressive. A very weak conference that added Cal Davis and UND!

Eastern Washington 7-1
Montana State 7-1
Montana 5-3
Sacramento State
Weber State 5-3
Northern Arizona 4-4
Northern Colorado 2-6 .
Portland State 1-7
Idaho State 0-8 (UND went toe to toe with these guys and claimed a moral victory )

I didnt include OOC because I didnt have time to sort out all the D2/NAIA teams.

[JBB]

Great West was the best conference until NDSU left.

The Big Sky stepped up last year, well at least EWU did, bumping the Sky up to #2.

I agree with that Gil, but I dont agree they were bumped up. Too many weak teams. The BSC was a 1 team wonder and there are a lot of questions surrounding the 1 team wonder too.

There is no criteria set as to what makes a conference good. Some of you think an entire conference is good because 1 team makes an appearance in the NC game. I dont think thats a very good measure of a conferences strength.

What you want to see is a strong conference that competes well OOC and is not completely dominated by 1 team. When a conference is completely dominated by 1 team and there are a lot of teams with no wins or 1 win you dont have a strong conference.

[kalm]

I didnt include OOC because I didnt have time to sort out all the D2/NAIA teams.

That must by why you had all the teams in the BSC starting at 3-0.

The Big Sky stepped up last year, well at least EWU did, bumping the Sky up to #2.

I agree with that Gil, but I dont agree they were bumped up. Too many weak teams. The BSC was a 1 team wonder and there are a lot of questions surrounding the 1 team wonder too.
There is no criteria set as to what makes a conference good. Some of you think an entire conference is good because 1 team makes an appearance in the NC game. I dont think thats a very good measure of a conferences strength.

What you want to see is a strong conference that competes well OOC and is not completely dominated by 1 team. When a conference is completely dominated by 1 team and there are a lot of teams with no wins or 1 win you dont have a strong conference.

1) The National Champion is the only team that finishes the year without any questions.

2) You're absolutely right about the criteria, so I will add that going back to 2005, the BSC has made 4 semi appearances, 3 NC appearances, and going back to 2005 is 3-1 against MVFC playoff opponents. But clearly the MVFC is a better conference.

[JBB]

Yes, and how many different teams participated in that glorious record?

NDSU has only been playoff eligible for 2 yrs and already are 1-1 against the BSC, if you are going to count the EWU game as decisive.

[kalm]

Yes, and how many different teams participated in that glorious record?

NDSU has only been playoff eligible for 2 yrs and already are 1-1 against the BSC, if you are going to count the EWU game as decisive.

Twice more than the number of MVFC teams that made the finals and equal to the number that reached the semi's.

[EWURanger]

Next, take a look at the bottom 3 teams. All 3 are among the worst in the country and assured everyone else in the conference at least 3 wins.

Every conference has its weak teams - the Big Sky, CAA, SoCon, and MVFC are no exceptions. Saying that, Idaho State should see some measured improvement with their new coach. The same is true of Portland State. I'm not sure about UNC, but I think over time they will benefit from their geographical footprint in a fairly good recruiting area. There will be more parity in the Big Sky next year, as there should be four teams that have a very legit shot of reaching 7 Division I wins. If Cal-Poly were beginning league play next year, that number would be 5, with Southern Utah perhaps on the cusp as well.

A very weak conference that added Cal Davis and UND!

I noticed you mentioned Davis and UND, and left out Cal-Poly and SUU. Coincidence? Hmmmm.....

It's very likely that in 2012 you will start seeing 3-4 playoff participants from the Big Sky on an annual basis. Hell, we had 3 in 2009 with only 9 members.

Idaho State 0-8 (UND went toe to toe with these guys and claimed a moral victory )

I'm confused, man. UND played the University of Idaho Vandals......not the Idaho State Bengals, which is the team you're referencing above.

[DJH]

The MVFC has had 4 DIFFERENT national semifinalists in the last 10 years. BSC 2.

The MFFC has had 6 national semifinal appearances in the last 10 years. BSC 6, with Montana claiming 5 of those.

The MVFC has had 26 playoff wins in the last 10 years. BSC 25, with an astonishing 16 of those wins belonging to Montana.

The MVFC has had 6 different schools WIN playoff games in the last 10 years. BSC 5.

[kalm]

The MVFC has had 4 DIFFERENT national semifinalists in the last 10 years. BSC 2.

The MFFC has had 6 national semifinal appearances in the last 10 years. BSC 6, with Montana claiming 5 of those.

The MVFC has had 26 playoff wins in the last 10 years. BSC 25, with an astonishing 16 of those wins belonging to Montana.

The MVFC has had 6 different schools WIN playoff games in the last 10 years. BSC 5.

Well as I said, I was going back to 2004 - I had to massage the facts a little.

I've always had the belief that the CAA is #1 with the the other three pretty much equal, swapping places depending on the year. That will change with Big Sky expansion.

[EWURanger]

The MVFC has had 4 DIFFERENT national semifinalists in the last 10 years. BSC 2.

The MFFC has had 6 national semifinal appearances in the last 10 years. BSC 6, with Montana claiming 5 of those.

The MVFC has had 26 playoff wins in the last 10 years. BSC 25, with an astonishing 16 of those wins belonging to Montana.

The MVFC has had 6 different schools WIN playoff games in the last 10 years. BSC 5.

And 0 National Champions or runners-up.........which, at the end of the day, is all that really matters.

[Grizalltheway]

The MVFC has had 4 DIFFERENT national semifinalists in the last 10 years. BSC 2.

The MFFC has had 6 national semifinal appearances in the last 10 years. BSC 6, with Montana claiming 5 of those.

The MVFC has had 26 playoff wins in the last 10 years. BSC 25, with an astonishing 16 of those wins belonging to Montana.

The MVFC has had 6 different schools WIN playoff games in the last 10 years. BSC 5.

And 0 National Champions or runners-up.........which, at the end of the day, is all that really matters.

UNI was '05, but your point is valid regardless.