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ChairmanMAO67 wrote:Great news.

Yesterday I spoke to a property owner right in the path of the proposed peripheral canal. They're not happy...but have been told "It's gonna happen, so you better prepare for it." They own several parcels of land in the area, and will be forced to sell two through eminent domain, one actually in the path of the canal, and another to be used to relocate "bird sanctuary" land needed for the canal.
Project is going to be 5-8 years...but the owner had been told by a Fed rep. they have apparently pulled all stops to fund it and solve this crisis.

A pile of the landowners are pissed off, but most are also farmers so they understand the need to build it.

A light at the end of the tunnel.
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Appaholic wrote:
Be sure to thank Obama and his stimulus money....must hurt realizing you suckle at the government teet as well as D1B, Cappy, UNH......where is that gritty-pull-yourselves-up-by-bootstraps-republican-cando-spirit now, you fokking socialist... :lol:

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2011 update:

Crazifornia: Delta smelt refuse to die in pumps

05/25/2011
By Laer Pearce

http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/25/crazi ... -in-pumps/
In Tracy, California, where the massive California Water Project pumps stand ready to move up to 15,450 cubic feet of Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta water southward every single second, it’s been a busy spring.

The pumps have been a mere shadow of their old selves ever since U.S. District Court Judge Oliver Wanger began ratcheting them down in 2007 in response to environmentalist lawsuits brought under the auspices of the Delta smelt. The environmentalists blamed the pumping for the precipitous drop in the smelt population, ignoring any number of other Delta ills that could be decimating the little fish, including ammonia from Sacramento’s sewage plant, farm chemical runoff and hungry non-native bass prized by the very sports fishermen who joined the environmentalists in blaming the pumps.

But the 2010-2011 storm season has been a wet one, with about twice the average rainfall and snowfall. That, and his growing skepticism of the adequacy of the science justifying restrictions on pumping, has loosened Judge Wanger’s grip on Southern California’s spigot, and the pumps have been running at up to 80 percent of their capacity. As the water rushes out of the Delta and toward the pumps, it’s channeled through an ingenious series of sieve-lines designed to keep the smelt away. In a nearby building, traps catch any that do get through, and whenever the pumps are running, state employees stand ready to count any dead smelt — and if even a few are found, the pumps can be stopped or slowed down.

So what have they found? With all those pumps spinning away and all that water hurtling south, smelt corpses should be piling up as fast as debt in D.C. Any other result would cast the scientific theories of the smelt’s champions as not much better than alchemy and astrology, right?

Right. According to Tom Philp, executive strategist for the Metropolitan Water District of Southern California (the user of most of that water), the sum total smelt body count since they switched on the California Water Project pumps is zero.


Philp says turbidity — muddy water — saved the smelt. Since big fish like to eat little fish, smelt like to hide in turbid water, and Delta turbidity this year has been far from the pumps. The muddy conditions in the Delta caused by this year’s high runoff levels from the mountains couldn’t come at a better time, because Judge Wanger recently gave the slow-moving biolocrats (or is it burologists?) at the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service two more years to clean up their science or give up trying to justify continued pumping restrictions.

If it can be shown that pumping levels should be controlled by the proximity of turbid water to the pumps instead of fish counts in non-turbid water or, for that matter, where we happen to be in the smelt’s reproductive cycle, much more water will be able to move south than can now. The volume of data supporting the turbidity theory as a viable alternative to the “the pump ate my fish” theory favored by the environmentalists is growing, but no one expects Gaea’s Army to meekly retreat.

Instead, we fully expect new environmentalist legal motions and “scientific” studies to be falling as thick as last winter’s snow in the Sierras. This is California, after all.
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So open the pumps. Now that it's been determined not to affect the natural habitat / life, then I have no problem with the pumps being left open. However, to do so before this was determined was as irresponsible as building unsustainable farmland in an arid region to begin with....
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Makes me think of the unsustainable cities that we have built in the arid west.
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Wedgebuster wrote:Makes me think of the unsustainable cities that we have built in the arid west.
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Grizalltheway wrote:
Wedgebuster wrote:Makes me think of the unsustainable cities that we have built in the arid west.
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God will take care of it, he clearly wants us to be there. :tothehand:
Ahh! Biblical Manifest Destiny. :nod: :nod: :nod:
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Face it faTman, the hippies were right. :nod: Big ag and greedy profiteers like you have decimated the land and water. Conservation and living within our means will ultimately have to rule the day.

Can't wait till Z and Tbags come crawling to Wisconsin in search of water. I will personally have them arrested at the state line and kick them in the teeth with my boot.
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Does anyone else think that trying to save some little guppy or minnow that only lives in one or two little streams is kind of idiotic? Spending millions and millions of dollars trying to save this animal that should be dead long ago? If it cannot survive then so be it. No sense in bringing down a productive industry that provides food for the nation because some dirt hippie wants to keep this minnow alive one more year.
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grizzaholic wrote:Does anyone else think that trying to save some little guppy or minnow that only lives in one or two little streams is kind of idiotic? Spending millions and millions of dollars trying to save this animal that should be dead long ago? If it cannot survive then so be it. No sense in bringing down a productive industry that provides food for the nation because some dirt hippie wants to keep this minnow alive one more year.
Those dirty hippies tried to tell them for the last 45 years that they're fouling their nest and at some point they gotta pay. You need a better scapegoat than those who had foresight about CA's problems. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:Does anyone else think that trying to save some little guppy or minnow that only lives in one or two little streams is kind of idiotic? Spending millions and millions of dollars trying to save this animal that should be dead long ago? If it cannot survive then so be it. No sense in bringing down a productive industry that provides food for the nation because some dirt hippie wants to keep this minnow alive one more year.
Those dirty hippies tried to tell them for the last 45 years that they're fouling their nest and at some point they gotta pay. You need a better scapegoat than those who had foresight about CA's problems. :coffee:
I usually just use Hippie's as an umbrella for folks who put out unneeded eco-regulation.

If there was a field somewhere in central America that could grow all the food this nation could use and provide all the jobs for the people out of work but the only catch was that 3 species of bird would die, 2 species of fish would die, a ferret and a bettle would also die and become extinct....would America do it? I think not.
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houndawg wrote:
Those dirty hippies tried to tell them for the last 45 years that they're fouling their nest and at some point they gotta pay. You need a better scapegoat than those who had foresight about CA's problems. :coffee:
I usually just use Hippie's as an umbrella for folks who put out unneeded eco-regulation.

If there was a field somewhere in central America that could grow all the food this nation could use and provide all the jobs for the people out of work but the only catch was that 3 species of bird would die, 2 species of fish would die, a ferret and a bettle would also die and become extinct....would America do it? I think not.

:roll: Irrigation is a dicey proposition in times of climate change.
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D1B wrote:Face it faTman, the hippies were right. :nod: Big ag and greedy profiteers like you have decimated the land and water. Conservation and living within our means will ultimately have to rule the day.

Can't wait till Z and Tbags come crawling to Wisconsin in search of water. I will personally have them arrested at the state line and kick them in the teeth with my boot.
Didn't know Falkin moved to Wisconsin.

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houndawg wrote:
grizzaholic wrote:
I usually just use Hippie's as an umbrella for folks who put out unneeded eco-regulation.

If there was a field somewhere in central America that could grow all the food this nation could use and provide all the jobs for the people out of work but the only catch was that 3 species of bird would die, 2 species of fish would die, a ferret and a bettle would also die and become extinct....would America do it? I think not.

:roll: Irrigation is a dicey proposition in times of climate change.
:roll: Rationality is a dicey proposition in times of environmental crusade.
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travelinman67 wrote:
houndawg wrote:

:roll: Irrigation is a dicey proposition in times of climate change.
:roll: Rationality is a dicey proposition in times of environmental crusade.
So is Los Angeles.
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D1B wrote: Conservation and living within our means will ultimately have to rule the day.

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dude you weigh like 750lbs so you're living within the means of at least 4 people.


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citdog wrote:
D1B wrote: Conservation and living within our means will ultimately have to rule the day.

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dude you weigh like 750lbs so you're living within the means of at least 4 people.


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travelinman67 wrote:
houndawg wrote:

:roll: Irrigation is a dicey proposition in times of climate change.
:roll: Rationality is a dicey proposition in times of environmental crusade.
Yeah, good one Joltin Joe. Again, like a cultist, you're ultimately going to have confront the truth, which is we're paying the price for living beyond our means and shitting all over our planet.

The hippies were right Tbag. :nod:
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He's hated hippies since they saw through his crooked land deal and left his waterfront property 1000 feet above sea level. ****ing honks and their entitlement mentality. :ohno:
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I say that if enough water doesn't naturally occur where you live, then you should move.

Like our ancestors did 10,000 years ago.

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D1B wrote:
citdog wrote:
dude you weigh like 750lbs so you're living within the means of at least 4 people.


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houndawg wrote:He's hated hippies since they saw through his crooked land deal and left his waterfront property 1000 feet above sea level. ****ing honks and their entitlement mentality. :ohno:
Dude, you're more fucked up than D1B.

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CID1990 wrote:I say that if enough water doesn't naturally occur where you live, then you should move.

Like our ancestors did 10,000 years ago.

(I haven't read this thread at all, I just based my response on the subject line)
Our ancestors used clay pots to carry the water to their crops. We used concrete aquaducts.

Next.

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travelinman67 wrote:
CID1990 wrote:I say that if enough water doesn't naturally occur where you live, then you should move.

Like our ancestors did 10,000 years ago.

(I haven't read this thread at all, I just based my response on the subject line)
Our ancestors used clay pots to carry the water to their crops. We used concrete aquaducts.

Next.

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More people live in L.A., Vegas, and the Valley of the Sun today than all of planet earth back when clay pots were popular.

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kalm wrote:
travelinman67 wrote:
Our ancestors used clay pots to carry the water to their crops. We used concrete aquaducts.

Next.

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More people live in L.A., Vegas, and the Valley of the Sun today than all of planet earth back when clay pots were popular.

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Any yet, the economic impact of this bizarre blip of envirowhackism, as cited in the thread title, was the impact to farming, in particular, the western central valley farms/cities/workers supporting industries who lost billions last year.

Open your book of ideologic rhetoric and look up, Big Farma.

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