Alex Jones banned from Youtube, Podcasts, etc.

[AZGrizFan]

I'm not 24 (not sure why you think that since you've mentioned it twice now), and I've grown significantly more liberal as I've aged and seen how conservative policies treat vulnerable people in the real world.

I started out as a conservative, like my dad, but even he's left the modern GOP. He was a Republican all the way from Reagan (which he still loves) all the way through the end of the Bush Jr. years.

Very few people (myself included) consider ourselves members of the modern GOP. But it doesn’t change the fact that the alternative (DNC) is way, way worse.

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I'm not 24 (not sure why you think that since you've mentioned it twice now), and I've grown significantly more liberal as I've aged and seen how conservative policies treat vulnerable people in the real world.

I started out as a conservative, like my dad, but even he's left the modern GOP. He was a Republican all the way from Reagan (which he still loves) all the way through the end of the Bush Jr. years.

Very few people (myself included) consider ourselves members of the modern GOP. But it doesn’t change the fact that the alternative (DNC) is way, way worse.

Do something about it instead of being complicit in how the GOP is acting. The fact that Trump - a man everyone made fun of since forever - won the GOP primary instead of SIXTEEN other conservative candidates proves how off-the-rail the party has become.

And the worst part? Republicans didn't even have some twisted primary system like the Democrats. Voters simply supported Trump instead of the SIXTEEN alternatives.

[AZGrizFan]

Very few people (myself included) consider ourselves members of the modern GOP. But it doesn’t change the fact that the alternative (DNC) is way, way worse.

Do something about it instead of being complicit in how the GOP is acting. The fact that Trump - a man everyone made fun of since forever - won the GOP primary instead of SIXTEEN other conservative candidates proves how off-the-rail the party has become.

And the worst part? Republicans didn't even have some twisted primary system like the Democrats. Voters simply supported Trump instead of the SIXTEEN alternatives.

I didn’t vote for Trump. I can’t help what other people do...that’s one of them pesky FREEDOMS that you value so much. But as much of a looney tunes as he is, I like some of (certainly not all) the the things he’s done....gotta take the good with the bad.

[BDKJMU]

Well, of course. This is one of those assholes Trip was referring to, right Trip?

The ad was banned for the images at the start of the video, not her conservative message. Those images did violate Facebook's stricter TOS for ads, but I think the right decision was ultimately made.

Also why does she speak that way? It's weird and creepy AF.

Whoever decided to ban the video in the 1st place was probably a lefty who didn’t have the common sense to see the context in which the images at the start of the video were being used.

[BDKJMU]

This ^ isn't really very helpful
It's not a credible observation of an entire party and roughly 45% of the American population

The fringe right and fringe left have ruined logical discourse
and poisoned the well that we all need to drink from

Actually I find I agree with the Right almost 50% of the time on significant issues
and only "strongly disagree" about 10% to 20% of the key issues

We're not that far apart - the Left and the Right :

Liberals always play nice and compromise with Republicans, and when the GOP gains power, they end up absolutely dismantling progressive policies. The ACA and the Garland pick are prime examples of Democrats (and President Obama) being the GOP's bitch. Republican supporters will oppose anything liberals do; they don't give a **** about compromise. So why should I?

I want Dems to be ruthless in their approach. I want them to expose the GOP in the worst light and when liberals are in power, push the nation so far left that it's near impossible to dismantle anything.

This #winning and #librultears and #MAGA garbage is hurting actual people; it's not funny. America is supposed to be a place of opportunity, human freedom, progress, and global leadership. And that's why crushing the GOP is important; they're the antithesis to everything America stands for.

Through their own hubris, the GOP in its current form have become the villains in this chapter of America's history. And like the rest of America's villains, it will not end well.

America might bend, but its values are stronger than anything thrown at it.

Wait, you mean the ACA that the donks refused to compromise on, and with a brief 8-9 month supermajority rammed through Congress with zero conk votes..the donks with the ACA were the poster child for not caring about compromise..

[Ivytalk]

This ^ isn't really very helpful
It's not a credible observation of an entire party and roughly 45% of the American population

The fringe right and fringe left have ruined logical discourse
and poisoned the well that we all need to drink from

Actually I find I agree with the Right almost 50% of the time on significant issues
and only "strongly disagree" about 10% to 20% of the key issues

We're not that far apart - the Left and the Right :

Liberals always play nice and compromise with Republicans, and when the GOP gains power, they end up absolutely dismantling progressive policies. The ACA and the Garland pick are prime examples of Democrats (and President Obama) being the GOP's bitch. Republican supporters will oppose anything liberals do; they don't give a **** about compromise. So why should I?

I want Dems to be ruthless in their approach. I want them to expose the GOP in the worst light and when liberals are in power, push the nation so far left that it's near impossible to dismantle anything.

This #winning and #librultears and #MAGA garbage is hurting actual people; it's not funny. America is supposed to be a place of opportunity, human freedom, progress, and global leadership. And that's why crushing the GOP is important; they're the antithesis to everything America stands for.

Through their own hubris, the GOP in its current form have become the villains in this chapter of America's history. And like the rest of America's villains, it will not end well.

America might bend, but its values are stronger than anything thrown at it.

You’ve obviously never studied the Constitution. Oh, that’s right: you want to scrap the Constitution and start all over.

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You’ve obviously never studied the Constitution. Oh, that’s right: you want to scrap the Constitution and start all over.

I respect the Constitution for what it is: a revolutionary 18th century document on how to run government. However, it's severely outdated and flawed in how it approaches American values.

Other civilized nations regularly reform their Constitutions; yet we stick with ours because a handful of elite men in 1788 decided that it takes an inordinate amount of states - most of which have too much power for their population size - to make any meaningful change. Frankly it's a ridiculous system.

Welcome to the 21st century - America can do better.

[kalm]

You’ve obviously never studied the Constitution. Oh, that’s right: you want to scrap the Constitution and start all over.

I respect the Constitution for what it is: a revolutionary 18th century document on how to run government. However, it's severely outdated and flawed in how it approaches American values.

Other civilized nations regularly reform their Constitutions; yet we stick with ours because a handful of elite men in 1788 decided that it takes an inordinate amount of states - most of which have too much power for their population size - to make any meaningful change. Frankly it's a ridiculous system.

Welcome to the 21st century - America can do better.

Nice work here, Trip. I don’t agree with all you say as I’m sure you’ll have issues with some of my stances but the consternation and hand wringing you’ve created are delicious!

Here’s my effort at pot stirring, taken from a friend’s FB post. He has more money than god and makes me look like a staunch conservative. I have no clue who “thatjuliemiller is, but she’s honest and smart. I might be in love!

The following sums up the state our Land of the Free and home of the Utterly Self Absorbed and Careless rather well.

ThatJulieMiller
SeattleAug. 6
Elections have consequences, and some of them take decades to show up. A boomer myself, I feel compelled to note that my generation are the people who- in their heyday- sent Ronald Reagan to Washington, 48-2 states in 1980, and 49-1 in 1984.

Not all of us- but most of us- bought into the idea that "business" can always do a more efficient job than government. We learned to disdain unions and civil servants, and recoil from anything that smacked of a 'government handout.'

We traded collective bargaining, workers' rights and financial regulation for free markets, right to work, the Laffer Curve, and trickle-down. We pocketed tax cuts and voted for the politicians who promised more: even as the infrastructure decayed, the costs of education and healthcare soared, and everything that could be 'privatized,' was.

Not everyone voted for this 'every man/woman for themselves' world, but we all get to grow old in it.

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[Ibanez]

This ^ isn't really very helpful
It's not a credible observation of an entire party and roughly 45% of the American population

The fringe right and fringe left have ruined logical discourse
and poisoned the well that we all need to drink from

Actually I find I agree with the Right almost 50% of the time on significant issues
and only "strongly disagree" about 10% to 20% of the key issues

We're not that far apart - the Left and the Right :

Liberals always play nice and compromise with Republicans, and when the GOP gains power, they end up absolutely dismantling progressive policies. The ACA and the Garland pick are prime examples of Democrats (and President Obama) being the GOP's bitch. Republican supporters will oppose anything liberals do; they don't give a shit about compromise. So why should I?

I want Dems to be ruthless in their approach. I want them to expose the GOP in the worst light and when liberals are in power, push the nation so far left that it's near impossible to dismantle anything.

This #winning and #librultears and #MAGA garbage is hurting actual people; it's not funny. America is supposed to be a place of opportunity, human freedom, progress, and global leadership. And that's why crushing the GOP is important; they're the antithesis to everything America stands for.

Through their own hubris, the GOP in its current form have become the villains in this chapter of America's history. And like the rest of America's villains, it will not end well.

America might bend, but its values are stronger than anything thrown at it.

Wat? Which liberals are you watching? Certainly not the party as a whole. It might be 1 or 2 (like Paul and Harris teaming up on prison reform) but that's the exception, not the rule. LIberals sho did play nice when they pushed through the ACA or scoffed at the idea that the Russians are a threat in 2012 (remember that foreign policy crack Obama made to Mittens?).

Playing nice...c'mon man. I'm trying so hard to give you the benefit of doubt but you aren't making it easy.

[Ibanez]

You’ve obviously never studied the Constitution. Oh, that’s right: you want to scrap the Constitution and start all over.

I respect the Constitution for what it is: a revolutionary 18th century document on how to run government. However, it's severely outdated and flawed in how it approaches American values.

Other civilized nations regularly reform their Constitutions; yet we stick with ours because a handful of elite men in 1788 decided that it takes an inordinate amount of states - most of which have too much power for their population size - to make any meaningful change. Frankly it's a ridiculous system.

Welcome to the 21st century - America can do better.

States have too much power? That's what those "elite men in 1788" were hoping for. And they presented flawed American values? Oh brother.

I have to agree that our laws should change and be updated as our country grows and as we progress through different ages (reconstruction, industrial, post war, digital) but the Constitution is a set of guiding ideal, principles and laws which close to 1.5 Million lives have been lost in theater or battle (not to mention the 1.4 wounded or the ~40k still missing) all trying to defend. OR the millions upon millions that served/serve. They are doing so b/c of American Values. And some of them are immigrants.

But you seem to be ignoring or forgetting that we do just that. Our laws don't stop at #10. In fact, some of those laws have been expanded upon or reversed. Could we do a better job? Sure. But scrapping our history and something that is the hallmark of American Values does not seem to be the best move.

[89Hen]

Not all of us- but most of us- bought into the idea that "business" can always do a more efficient job than government.

What is your take on that kalm?

[UNI88]

You’ve obviously never studied the Constitution. Oh, that’s right: you want to scrap the Constitution and start all over.

I respect the Constitution for what it is: a revolutionary 18th century document on how to run government. However, it's severely outdated and flawed in how it approaches American values.

Other civilized nations regularly reform their Constitutions; yet we stick with ours because a handful of elite men in 1788 decided that it takes an inordinate amount of states - most of which have too much power for their population size - to make any meaningful change. Frankly it's a ridiculous system.

Welcome to the 21st century - America can do better.

Who should be responsible for updating or replacing the Constitution? The Republicans control the Presidency, Congress and most Governorships. Are you comfortable if they take the lead?

I don't think the Constitution is perfect but it is an excellent framework created by visionary leaders who were willing to work together and compromise for the good of the nation. Do we have enough leaders like that now? I would be extremely concerned about any significant reforms that were pushed through by either party. I would prefer to stick with what we have and use the existing methods to revise it rather than risk completely fvcking it up by veering off course and letting a bunch of partisan, power-hungry whores from either or both parties attempt to replace it. The law of unintended consequences is something that should seriously be considered before making significant changes to the Constitution.

[kalm]

Not all of us- but most of us- bought into the idea that "business" can always do a more efficient job than government.

What is your take on that kalm?

Most of the time it's true but not always. And I'm speaking from very close personal experience. Government can also be as corrupt, greedy, and monopolistic as business.

I'm like most thoughtful moderates in that I think government is a necessary evil but should be limited to things like infrastructure, legal system, emergency services, public owned lands, military, and healthcare.

[89Hen]

I'm like most thoughtful moderates in that I think government is a necessary evil but should be limited to things like infrastructure, legal system, emergency services, public owned lands, military, and healthcare.

So very little into "business".

[AZGrizFan]

I respect the Constitution for what it is: a revolutionary 18th century document on how to run government. However, it's severely outdated and flawed in how it approaches American values.

Other civilized nations regularly reform their Constitutions; yet we stick with ours because a handful of elite men in 1788 decided that it takes an inordinate amount of states - most of which have too much power for their population size - to make any meaningful change. Frankly it's a ridiculous system.

Welcome to the 21st century - America can do better.

Who should be responsible for updating or replacing the Constitution? The Republicans control the Presidency, Congress and most Governorships. Are you comfortable if they take the lead?

I don't think the Constitution is perfect but it is an excellent framework created by visionary leaders who were willing to work together and compromise for the good of the nation. Do we have enough leaders like that now? I would be extremely concerned about any significant reforms that were pushed through by either party. I would prefer to stick with what we have and use the existing methods to revise it rather than risk completely fvcking it up by veering off course and letting a bunch of partisan, power-hungry whores from either or both parties attempt to replace it. The law of unintended consequences is something that should seriously be considered before making significant changes to the Constitution.

And trip, YOUR mindset is precisely why the founding fathers set it up exactly the way they did.

[Chizzang]

Who should be responsible for updating or replacing the Constitution? The Republicans control the Presidency, Congress and most Governorships. Are you comfortable if they take the lead?

I don't think the Constitution is perfect but it is an excellent framework created by visionary leaders who were willing to work together and compromise for the good of the nation. Do we have enough leaders like that now? I would be extremely concerned about any significant reforms that were pushed through by either party. I would prefer to stick with what we have and use the existing methods to revise it rather than risk completely fvcking it up by veering off course and letting a bunch of partisan, power-hungry whores from either or both parties attempt to replace it. The law of unintended consequences is something that should seriously be considered before making significant changes to the Constitution.

And trip, YOUR mindset is precisely why the founding fathers set it up exactly the way they did.

agreed

There's nothing wrong with the Constitution for crying out loud...
Humanity and it's needs and concerns for organization and Rule of Law need no clever re-invention

I'm yet to hear even one solid explanation as to how it can be improved without breaking something

[Ibanez]

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bann ... esident-us

“F—k hope,” because it’s “the lazy way out,” liberal activist filmmaker Michael Moore says in an interview promoting his new anti-Trump film, “Fahrenheit 11/9,” which opens in theaters on September 21.

Legal means and exposing scandals can’t “save the country,” Moore told The Huffington Post in his vulgar attack on “hope”:

“F--k hope. Seriously, f--k hope. F--k despair, too. But f--k hope.

“Hope is passive. Hope gives you permission to let someone else do the work. Hope leads people to believe that tax returns, or a pee tape, or the FBI or an adult film star will save the country. Hope, and the passivity that comes with it, is what helped get us here to begin with. It’s the lazy way out.

“We don’t need hope. We need action.”

“There is a real insurgency taking place” – and it’s coming from an extremely surprising source, Moore said:

"The revolution is happening in the most unlikely of places. The resistance ― the true resistance ― is not coming from the Democratic Party or from the liberal establishment. I can’t reveal too much right now, but there is a real insurgency taking place."

Speaking of blowhards....

[Ibanez]

And trip, YOUR mindset is precisely why the founding fathers set it up exactly the way they did.

agreed

There's nothing wrong with the Constitution for crying out loud...
Humanity and it's needs and concerns for organization and Rule of Law need no clever re-invention

I'm yet to hear even one solid explanation as to how it can be improved without breaking something

I think it has to do with muskets and democrats losing the electoral college vote.

[dbackjon]

I'm not 24 (not sure why you think that since you've mentioned it twice now), and I've grown significantly more liberal as I've aged and seen how conservative policies treat vulnerable people in the real world.

I started out as a conservative, like my dad, but even he's left the modern GOP. He was a Republican all the way from Reagan (which he still loves) all the way through the end of the Bush Jr. years.

Very few people (myself included) consider ourselves members of the modern GOP. But it doesn’t change the fact that the alternative (DNC) is way, way worse.

[AZGrizFan]

Very few people (myself included) consider ourselves members of the modern GOP. But it doesn’t change the fact that the alternative (DNC) is way, way worse.

I laugh at the DNC every day too, Jon.

[AZGrizFan]

Very few people (myself included) consider ourselves members of the modern GOP. But it doesn’t change the fact that the alternative (DNC) is way, way worse.

I laugh at the DNC every day too, Jon.

[CitadelGrad]

Does that mean restaurants and hotels can now refuse service to negroes and other undesirables?

"HURITAGE NOT HATE!!", says guy with General Jenkins avatar, Confederate flag and Jefferson Davis quote in his siggy... and thinks "negroes" are "undesirables".

You didn't answer the question.

[kalm]

And trip, YOUR mindset is precisely why the founding fathers set it up exactly the way they did.

agreed

There's nothing wrong with the Constitution for crying out loud...
Humanity and it's needs and concerns for organization and Rule of Law need no clever re-invention

I'm yet to hear even one solid explanation as to how it can be improved without breaking something

The founders explained not only how but why it should be improved...and something, something, omelette...

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The founders explained not only how but why it should be improved...and something, something, omelette...

Jefferson famously wanted the Constitution to expire every 20 years because he didn't want dead people to govern the living. George Washington wrote letters that the Constitution was imperfect.

The founding fathers were radical philosophers; they didn't shape the Constitution so it can be followed for hundreds of years like some sort of religious text. They'd have laughed at Constitutionalists today.

These guys believed that the People should govern themselves however they want. That's how far ahead of their time they were; that even today, we're not as ballsy as them to revamp the Constitution.

I mean FFS, they even went through a different constitution before the current one. I'm glad they didn't think like today's society: "Well we ratified the Articles of Confederation, but we must stick to it forever and make it extremely difficult to make changes for all future people." F that, they just threw it out.

[Chizzang]

All that stuff is great ^ but it leaves out a few key distinctly critical points
The assumption you two are making is dangerous
You are assuming we're presently being governed by those with equal intellect and temperament
as the founding fathers and framers of said documents

Jefferson had no clue we'd be electing people that think islands are floating

The assumption that Jefferson (a slave holder) makes is that the ruling elite (people like him)
Wealthy land holding students of philosophy and history would be in charge

and that is NOT the case
We are governed by Television Personalities and Troglodytes