Coronavirus COVID-19

[SeattleGriz]

The difference is that those things affect only you. In terms of resources, we as a society have built up the infrastructure to deal with it. We also have medicine to deal with that stuff.

I respectfully disagree. You see who's filling up the hospital beds don't you? Those with comorbidities. The average COVID death has 6 comorbidities. What is the root cause of why they are there?

I'm not saying it is right, or we should do it, but going after only the unvaccinated is purely agenda driven.

[∞∞∞]

The difference is that those things affect only you. In terms of resources, we as a society have built up the infrastructure to deal with it. We also have medicine to deal with that stuff.

I disagree. You see who's filling up the hospital beds don't you? Those with comorbidities. The average COVID death has 6 comorbidities. What is the root cause of why they are there?

I'm not saying it is right, or we should do it, but going after only the unvaccinated is purely agenda driven.

But they're mostly unvaccinated and that's the primary factor. Comorbidity is the secondary factor after vaccination status.

That's the point.

Think of the vaccine as the primary line of defense, the person's health status as the secondary line, and doctors as third.

Edit: If I'm vaccinated and have a comorbidity, I'm less likely to take up a hospital resource, all else being equal, than an unvaccinated person with the same comorbidity.

[kalm]

The difference is that those things affect only you. In terms of resources, we as a society have built up the infrastructure to deal with it. We also have medicine to deal with that stuff.

I respectfully disagree. You see who's filling up the hospital beds don't you? Those with comorbidities. The average COVID death has 6 comorbidities. What is the root cause of why they are there?

I'm not saying it is right, or we should do it, but going after only the unvaccinated is purely agenda driven.

I share some of your thoughts on comorbidities but you’re missing his point. And who’s agenda?

I could make a case that choosing to not get vaccinated is also agenda driven.

[GannonFan]

I respectfully disagree. You see who's filling up the hospital beds don't you? Those with comorbidities. The average COVID death has 6 comorbidities. What is the root cause of why they are there?

I'm not saying it is right, or we should do it, but going after only the unvaccinated is purely agenda driven.

I share some of your thoughts on comorbidities but you’re missing his point. And who’s agenda?

I could make a case that choosing to not get vaccinated is also agenda driven.

Indeed. Just get vaccinated. It's really not that difficult. And who cares if we need a booster shot every 6 or 12 months going forward. I get a flu shot now every year, it's not a big deal. Waiting for every place to go ahead and mandate vaccines - schools, businesses, stadiums, travel, etc. Those who don't want the vaccine are welcome to not get one, just don't come out in public and mingle.

[AZGrizFan]

I respectfully disagree. You see who's filling up the hospital beds don't you? Those with comorbidities. The average COVID death has 6 comorbidities. What is the root cause of why they are there?

I'm not saying it is right, or we should do it, but going after only the unvaccinated is purely agenda driven.

I share some of your thoughts on comorbidities but you’re missing his point. And who’s agenda?

I could make a case that choosing to not get vaccinated is also agenda driven.

Make it.

[AZGrizFan]

I share some of your thoughts on comorbidities but you’re missing his point. And who’s agenda?

I could make a case that choosing to not get vaccinated is also agenda driven.

Indeed. Just get vaccinated. It's really not that difficult. And who cares if we need a booster shot every 6 or 12 months going forward. I get a flu shot now every year, it's not a big deal. Waiting for every place to go ahead and mandate vaccines - schools, businesses, stadiums, travel, etc. Those who don't want the vaccine are welcome to not get one, just don't come out in public and mingle.

Are flu shots mandated? And if YOU’RE vaccinated, why do you care if I am?

[kalm]

I share some of your thoughts on comorbidities but you’re missing his point. And who’s agenda?

I could make a case that choosing to not get vaccinated is also agenda driven.

Indeed. Just get vaccinated. It's really not that difficult. And who cares if we need a booster shot every 6 or 12 months going forward. I get a flu shot now every year, it's not a big deal. Waiting for every place to go ahead and mandate vaccines - schools, businesses, stadiums, travel, etc. Those who don't want the vaccine are welcome to not get one, just don't come out in public and mingle.

It’s already happening. I know someone who was denied entry to a Cyprus Hill show because they didn’t have proof of vaccination…

Some might say that’s insane?

They’re

[kalm]

Indeed. Just get vaccinated. It's really not that difficult. And who cares if we need a booster shot every 6 or 12 months going forward. I get a flu shot now every year, it's not a big deal. Waiting for every place to go ahead and mandate vaccines - schools, businesses, stadiums, travel, etc. Those who don't want the vaccine are welcome to not get one, just don't come out in public and mingle.

Are flu shots mandated?

Still holding out hope it’s just the flu?

[GannonFan]

Indeed. Just get vaccinated. It's really not that difficult. And who cares if we need a booster shot every 6 or 12 months going forward. I get a flu shot now every year, it's not a big deal. Waiting for every place to go ahead and mandate vaccines - schools, businesses, stadiums, travel, etc. Those who don't want the vaccine are welcome to not get one, just don't come out in public and mingle.

Are flu shots mandated? And if YOU’RE vaccinated, why do you care if I am?

Because I don't want to have to keep reacting to all of this crap. I don't want to wear masks anymore, I don't want to have debates over this anymore. Vaccines work, the evidence is overwhelming. The government should be working faster to determine boosters for everyone and they should be working faster to get the vaccine available for all kids under 12. And I care because I don't want rampant community spread that results in over-burdening the hospital system. We have tons of required vaccines to get into schools and to get into the military and to travel to and from certain countries. This is just adding one more vaccine. Like I said, if someone doesn't want it, no problem. Just be ready to be unable to enter a school, transportation, restaurants, stadiums, the military, and so on. I have no problem with someone making that choice.

[Gil Dobie]

Are flu shots mandated? And if YOU’RE vaccinated, why do you care if I am?

Because I don't want to have to keep reacting to all of this crap. I don't want to wear masks anymore, I don't want to have debates over this anymore. Vaccines work, the evidence is overwhelming. The government should be working faster to determine boosters for everyone and they should be working faster to get the vaccine available for all kids under 12. And I care because I don't want rampant community spread that results in over-burdening the hospital system. We have tons of required vaccines to get into schools and to get into the military and to travel to and from certain countries. This is just adding one more vaccine. Like I said, if someone doesn't want it, no problem. Just be ready to be unable to enter a school, transportation, restaurants, stadiums, the military, and so on. I have no problem with someone making that choice.

Agree! measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines are required by most colleges for example.

[SeattleGriz]

Are flu shots mandated? And if YOU’RE vaccinated, why do you care if I am?

Because I don't want to have to keep reacting to all of this crap. I don't want to wear masks anymore, I don't want to have debates over this anymore. Vaccines work, the evidence is overwhelming. The government should be working faster to determine boosters for everyone and they should be working faster to get the vaccine available for all kids under 12. And I care because I don't want rampant community spread that results in over-burdening the hospital system. We have tons of required vaccines to get into schools and to get into the military and to travel to and from certain countries. This is just adding one more vaccine. Like I said, if someone doesn't want it, no problem. Just be ready to be unable to enter a school, transportation, restaurants, stadiums, the military, and so on. I have no problem with someone making that choice.

What about those with natural immunity? Will the gold standard of antibody testing be accepted as proof?

[GannonFan]

Because I don't want to have to keep reacting to all of this crap. I don't want to wear masks anymore, I don't want to have debates over this anymore. Vaccines work, the evidence is overwhelming. The government should be working faster to determine boosters for everyone and they should be working faster to get the vaccine available for all kids under 12. And I care because I don't want rampant community spread that results in over-burdening the hospital system. We have tons of required vaccines to get into schools and to get into the military and to travel to and from certain countries. This is just adding one more vaccine. Like I said, if someone doesn't want it, no problem. Just be ready to be unable to enter a school, transportation, restaurants, stadiums, the military, and so on. I have no problem with someone making that choice.

Agree! measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines are required by most colleges for example.

My school district requires at least 9 different vaccinations prior to entering kindergarten - Tetanus, Diphtheria, Acellular Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Hepatitis B, and Varicella. Then by 7th grade they require another dose of tetanus, diphtheria, and the pertussis, and then for 12th grade they need the MCV vaccination. Seriously, if I inserted the COVID vaccine in there, what's the big deal, it's actually one of the easier vaccinations. Mandate the vaccine and move on.

[∞∞∞]

GF with the correct take.

Don't take the vaccine, but society has a right and duty to protect itself.

[GannonFan]

Because I don't want to have to keep reacting to all of this crap. I don't want to wear masks anymore, I don't want to have debates over this anymore. Vaccines work, the evidence is overwhelming. The government should be working faster to determine boosters for everyone and they should be working faster to get the vaccine available for all kids under 12. And I care because I don't want rampant community spread that results in over-burdening the hospital system. We have tons of required vaccines to get into schools and to get into the military and to travel to and from certain countries. This is just adding one more vaccine. Like I said, if someone doesn't want it, no problem. Just be ready to be unable to enter a school, transportation, restaurants, stadiums, the military, and so on. I have no problem with someone making that choice.

What about those with natural immunity? Will the gold standard of antibody testing be accepted as proof?

If they have natural immunity what's the danger of getting the vaccine? And the booster shots? Just get the vaccine and move on.

[SeattleGriz]

Agree! measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines are required by most colleges for example.

My school district requires at least 9 different vaccinations prior to entering kindergarten - Tetanus, Diphtheria, Acellular Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Hepatitis B, and Varicella. Then by 7th grade they require another dose of tetanus, diphtheria, and the pertussis, and then for 12th grade they need the MCV vaccination. Seriously, if I inserted the COVID vaccine in there, what's the big deal, it's actually one of the easier vaccinations. Mandate the vaccine and move on.

Not making fun of your post, just like this movie.

[Ivytalk]

That’s what I just said. Read it again.

Yes. You got it correct both times!

So, when in doubt, get the vaccination. What’s so hard about that? And you’ll be getting right with Jesus in the process.

[SeattleGriz]

What about those with natural immunity? Will the gold standard of antibody testing be accepted as proof?

If they have natural immunity what's the danger of getting the vaccine? And the booster shots? Just get the vaccine and move on.

Because natural immunity is superior and there is no need for a vaccine. Why would you take a vaccine if you didn't need it? Hell, for that matter, let's just drop antibody testing and simply mandate everyone gets one of everything when the government feels like it.

[SeattleGriz]

Yes. You got it correct both times!

So, when in doubt, get the vaccination. What’s so hard about that? And you’ll be getting right with Jesus in the process.

I have no clue why it's so hard for those that should.

To rehash my old worn out story, back during the H1N1 pandemic, my wife was going through chemo, so we all got vaccinated and we limited our social interactions. Our kids couldn't play with other kids and I was the only one who went out in public. Made sure to wash my hands as soon as I walked in the house. Essentially, we did what we needed to do to protect ourselves and especially my wife.

This is really my second go around at the level of precautions we have in place.

[SDHornet]

Dude....the vast vast VAST majority of new cases are unvaccinated people. The vast vast VAST majority of hospitalizations and deaths are unvaccinated.

Pandemic of the vaccinated makes little to no sense. Anyone thinking the vaccine will give 100% protection against all strains isn't using common sense. The fact that the break through case rate in your post is .6%, lends credence to the fact the vaccine works.

I get that. This is about deaths, not case count.

It always has been.



Regarding the "save the children" narrative, in the US there is about 74M people under the age of 18 and the China Virus has accounted for 361 deaths.

[Ivytalk]

Here’s a bit of relevant scripture from St. Paul’s Second Letter to the Grizzalonians, chapter 8, v. 36-37:

“And when confronted by the Great Assyrian Plague, three vaccinations shalt thou get, and the count of vaccinations shalt be three.

And trust not thy body to make the decision for thee, because the body is weak and lacks wisdom.”

[AZGrizFan]

Agree! measles, mumps, and rubella vaccines are required by most colleges for example.

My school district requires at least 9 different vaccinations prior to entering kindergarten - Tetanus, Diphtheria, Acellular Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Hepatitis B, and Varicella. Then by 7th grade they require another dose of tetanus, diphtheria, and the pertussis, and then for 12th grade they need the MCV vaccination. Seriously, if I inserted the COVID vaccine in there, what's the big deal, it's actually one of the easier vaccinations. Mandate the vaccine and move on.

Yes, because vaccines that have been around for 30, 40, 50 years are exactly like ones that were rushed to market, untested, in 8 months.

[SeattleGriz]

Here’s a bit of relevant scripture from St. Paul’s Second Letter to the Grizzalonians, chapter 8, v. 36-37:

“And when confronted by the Great Assyrian Plague, three vaccinations shalt thou get, and the count of vaccinations shalt be three.

And trust not thy body to make the decision for thee, because the body is weak and lacks wisdom.”

Paul was always my favorite. He learned to quit kicking against the goads.

[GannonFan]

My school district requires at least 9 different vaccinations prior to entering kindergarten - Tetanus, Diphtheria, Acellular Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Hepatitis B, and Varicella. Then by 7th grade they require another dose of tetanus, diphtheria, and the pertussis, and then for 12th grade they need the MCV vaccination. Seriously, if I inserted the COVID vaccine in there, what's the big deal, it's actually one of the easier vaccinations. Mandate the vaccine and move on.

Yes, because vaccines that have been around for 30, 40, 50 years are exactly like ones that were rushed to market, untested, in 8 months.

They didn't wait 30 years to go by before adding vaccines to the list of vaccines needed to enter school. Sure, they probably didn't wait just 8 months, but it was much closer to 8 months than 30 years. The vaccines work, we're not about to create a zombie apocalypse, mandate the vaccines and those who choose not to get it can adjust their lives to skip the things and venues that require it. Homeschooling is always an option. Not taking that trip to Fiji is always an option. Not eating in that fancy restaurant downtown is always an option. Not taking public transportation is always an option. Not enrolling in the military is always an option. Not going to a sporting event is always an option.

[GannonFan]

If they have natural immunity what's the danger of getting the vaccine? And the booster shots? Just get the vaccine and move on.

Because natural immunity is superior and there is no need for a vaccine. Why would you take a vaccine if you didn't need it? Hell, for that matter, let's just drop antibody testing and simply mandate everyone gets one of everything when the government feels like it.

Do they have natural immunity opt-outs for all the other vaccines? Honestly don't know and if they do, great, then we can add that here too. Rather than getting the vaccine or the booster shot, you just need to have your antibodies tested at the same frequency. Happy with that?

[Gil Dobie]

My school district requires at least 9 different vaccinations prior to entering kindergarten - Tetanus, Diphtheria, Acellular Pertussis, Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Hepatitis B, and Varicella. Then by 7th grade they require another dose of tetanus, diphtheria, and the pertussis, and then for 12th grade they need the MCV vaccination. Seriously, if I inserted the COVID vaccine in there, what's the big deal, it's actually one of the easier vaccinations. Mandate the vaccine and move on.

Yes, because vaccines that have been around for 30, 40, 50 years are exactly like ones that were rushed to market, untested, in 8 months.

Covid vaccines were tested