I Wonder if Obama Even Cares....

[Appaholic]

Well I have a different take than a vote for Johnson is a vote for Hillary. I live in South Carolina which unless the world falls totally apart, is going to vote for Trump so I am freed up not to vote for him. (not that I would vote for him if that wasn't the case)

I have known for a long time that my politics aligns with libertarians. I have always been shy of voting that way because of the "waste my vote" concept. Additionally, many times the libertarian candidates do seem a little crazy and certainly a lot of their devotees seem a lot crazy. I voted for Ron Paul in the republican primaries each time he ran, but honestly might have had a difficult time voting for him for president because of that kinda crazy image that libertarians seem to give off.

So now I am sitting squarely in 2016. On the "who do you side with survey" (after taking the more extensive version) I am high 80% with Johnson, low 80% with Trump and about 50% with Clinton. So just taking that view point, I could easily justify voting for Trump. But the truth is if I was at 100% with Trump, I wouldn't vote for Trump. I have read all the stories from people that know him socially and say he is a reasonable, rational, calm, well meaning disciplined individual. Well unfortunately, I don't know that Trump and am not sure I believe a word of it. All I see is a mean spirited, temperamentally unsound, knowledge challenged individual with a childish attitude spending more time attacking those who criticize him that promoting rational reasons to vote for him. (ok, how was my JOS impression). On the other hand, even if I was 100% with Clinton, I wouldn't vote for her either. Whether you think she is a crook, or negligent or stupid, the email server shows she has an extreme lack of good judgment and is a liar ( and that isn't even the biggest issue with Hillary).

So, for the first time in a long time I will get to vote for the candidate that lines up with my political view. Other than the fact that I fear the next four years will be horrible under Trump or Clinton, I at least take comfort that I am not voting for either of the two parties that got us in the shape we are in today, nor am I voting for a billionaire (or wannabe billionaire depending on who you ask) that acts more like a two year old than my three year old granddaughter does.

A-fokking-men FU!

[Appaholic]

Bully for you. You are such a brave voter.

SC will be a very bright red state in November. If I still lived in NC, I'd reluctantly vote Trump because it would actually make a difference. I'm likely voting Johnson in SC.

I voted Johnson the last time and I'll vote him this time. I would vote for Johnson (or someone like him) whether he was a democrat or republican as well. His views align with mine the most. I'm not 100% solid with his stances, but I will never be with any candidate. This is my way of stating to the body politic that I'm voting for the most reasonable & pragmatic candidate regardless of party. Stating that it's a "wasted" vote is a coward's mentality...you don't think Trump or Hillary are going to get enough votes from the uneducated masses who just vote straight party line and have no idea what that vote means? To vote for a candidate you don't agree with strictly because you don't like the other candidate or because that candidate has the best chance of winning is the definition of a wasted vote....

[AZGrizFan]

SC will be a very bright red state in November. If I still lived in NC, I'd reluctantly vote Trump because it would actually make a difference. I'm likely voting Johnson in SC.

I voted Johnson the last time and I'll vote him this time. I would vote for Johnson (or someone like him) whether he was a democrat or republican as well. His views align with mine the most. I'm not 100% solid with his stances, but I will never be with any candidate. This is my way of stating to the body politic that I'm voting for the most reasonable & pragmatic candidate regardless of party. Stating that it's a "wasted" vote is a coward's mentality...you don't think Trump or Hillary are going to get enough votes from the uneducated masses who just vote straight party line and have no idea what that vote means? To vote for a candidate you don't agree with strictly because you don't like the other candidate or because that candidate has the best chance of winning is the definition of a wasted vote....

Agreed 1000%.

[89Hen]

I voted Johnson the last time and I'll vote him this time. I would vote for Johnson (or someone like him) whether he was a democrat or republican as well. His views align with mine the most. I'm not 100% solid with his stances, but I will never be with any candidate. This is my way of stating to the body politic that I'm voting for the most reasonable & pragmatic candidate regardless of party. Stating that it's a "wasted" vote is a coward's mentality...you don't think Trump or Hillary are going to get enough votes from the uneducated masses who just vote straight party line and have no idea what that vote means? To vote for a candidate you don't agree with strictly because you don't like the other candidate or because that candidate has the best chance of winning is the definition of a wasted vote....

Agreed 1000%.

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

[kalm]

Agreed 1000%.

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

I vote Johnson also because the system is corrupt and the establishment needs to lose power.

[89Hen]

I vote Johnson also because the system is corrupt and the establishment needs to lose power.

Good luck with that.

[kalm]

I vote Johnson also because the system is corrupt and the establishment needs to lose power.

Good luck with that.

Classic hen!


And it's already happening.

[Appaholic]

Agreed 1000%.

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

I can go with that.... ...directing my rant more at others who won't vote for Johnson (or any third party) because they don't have a legitimate shot at "winning". I won't vote for Trump or Hillary because I think they both suck and our country can do better, but not within the confines of the current system. So, this is my version of not "playing along"...but if you truly don't agree with Johnson and align more with another candidate, that's who you should vote for....just hate it when others can't understand that a vote for anyone by D or R is a "wasted vote", then turn around and bitch about the candidates offered by the Dem & Rep party...

[89Hen]

Good luck with that.

Classic hen!


And it's already happening.

Thanks to Johnson?

[kalm]

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[kalm]

Thanks to Johnson?

Thanks to information and an establishment media who's pants are being pulled down.

Johnson is a vehicle but he has a track record of successful governance and he's polling at 13%. That's significant.

Sorry you find this upsetting. You must like the full of shit politicians....

[AZGrizFan]

Agreed 1000%.

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

Who was talking about you here?

[89Hen]

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

Who was talking about you here?

Appa's reply had me quoted, so...

[89Hen]

Thanks to information and an establishment media who's pants are being pulled down.

Johnson is a vehicle but he has a track record of successful governance and he's polling at 13%. That's significant.

Sorry you find this upsetting. You must like the full of shit politicians....

You guys are delusional. Johnson won't get more than 2% of the popular and won't even be a footnote to this election. The fact that Z agrees with you ought to concern you more than anything.

[Ivytalk]

Thanks to information and an establishment media who's pants are being pulled down.

Johnson is a vehicle but he has a track record of successful governance and he's polling at 13%. That's significant.

Sorry you find this upsetting. You must like the full of **** politicians....

You guys are delusional. Johnson won't get more than 2% of the popular and won't even be a footnote to this election. The fact that Z agrees with you ought to concern you more than anything.

2%, Hen? I'll take the over for a four-pack of Greenwood BBQ chicken platters.

[AZGrizFan]

You guys are delusional. Johnson won't get more than 2% of the popular and won't even be a footnote to this election. The fact that Z agrees with you ought to concern you more than anything.

2%, Hen? I'll take the over for a four-pack of Greenwood BBQ chicken platters.

Good lord yes. I'll take the over for any amount of money you're willing to part with, Hen.

[UNI88]

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

89, your reasoning to not support for Johnson makes sense and I have no problem with it. But you seem to think that people should only support the candidate who most aligns with their "platform" and IMO this is myopic and condescending. There are a number of legitimate reasons that someone could support Johnson:
1) His platform most aligns with theirs.
2) They think Hillary is a liar and a crook and that Trump is a crazy egomaniac and they're scared to death of either winning the election.
3) They're sick of both parties and live in a strong red or blue state and believe that their vote for Hillary or Trump will make less of a difference than a protest vote for Johnson.
4) They're sick of both parties and want to see Johnson get above 15% so he is included in the debates.
5) While their platform might most closely align with Trump's they don't trust him or his commitment to his published platform enough to support him.

I'm sure there are some that I've missed and while you might not agree with them, some might so none of them is a "wasted" vote.

[kalm]

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

89, your reasoning to not support for Johnson makes sense and I have no problem with it. But you seem to think that people should only support the candidate who most aligns with their "platform" and IMO this is myopic and condescending. There are a number of legitimate reasons that someone could support Johnson:
1) His platform most aligns with theirs.
2) They think Hillary is a liar and a crook and that Trump is a crazy egomaniac and they're scared to death of either winning the election.
3) They're sick of both parties and live in a strong red or blue state and believe that their vote for Hillary or Trump will make less of a difference than a protest vote for Johnson.
4) They're sick of both parties and want to see Johnson get above 15% so he is included in the debates.
5) While their platform might most closely align with Trump's they don't trust him or his commitment to his published platform enough to support him.

I'm sure there are some that I've missed and while you might not agree with them, some might so none of them is a "wasted" vote.

"1889hen"



Good post too.

[Ibanez]

You guys KEEP whiffing on this. Appa, for you, a vote for Johnson isn't a wasted vote if "His views align with mine the most". That's not the case for me. I do NOT align with Johnson the most, so even though I despise Trump and Hillary, by your own definition it would be a wasted vote for me.

89, your reasoning to not support for Johnson makes sense and I have no problem with it. But you seem to think that people should only support the candidate who most aligns with their "platform" and IMO this is myopic and condescending. There are a number of legitimate reasons that someone could support Johnson:
1) His platform most aligns with theirs.
2) They think Hillary is a liar and a crook and that Trump is a crazy egomaniac and they're scared to death of either winning the election.
3) They're sick of both parties and live in a strong red or blue state and believe that their vote for Hillary or Trump will make less of a difference than a protest vote for Johnson.
4) They're sick of both parties and want to see Johnson get above 15% so he is included in the debates.
5) While their platform might most closely align with Trump's they don't trust him or his commitment to his published platform enough to support him.

I'm sure there are some that I've missed and while you might not agree with them, some might so none of them is a "wasted" vote.

1) Yes
2) Double Yes.
3) Triple Yes (Trump will win SC. So why add 1 more vote to the popular vote tally?)
4) Yes....diversity in the elections!
5) I think Trump and or CLinton will be 1 term presidents.

[Ivytalk]

89, your reasoning to not support for Johnson makes sense and I have no problem with it. But you seem to think that people should only support the candidate who most aligns with their "platform" and IMO this is myopic and condescending. There are a number of legitimate reasons that someone could support Johnson:
1) His platform most aligns with theirs.
2) They think Hillary is a liar and a crook and that Trump is a crazy egomaniac and they're scared to death of either winning the election.
3) They're sick of both parties and live in a strong red or blue state and believe that their vote for Hillary or Trump will make less of a difference than a protest vote for Johnson.
4) They're sick of both parties and want to see Johnson get above 15% so he is included in the debates.
5) While their platform might most closely align with Trump's they don't trust him or his commitment to his published platform enough to support him.

I'm sure there are some that I've missed and while you might not agree with them, some might so none of them is a "wasted" vote.

"1889hen"



Good post too.

Why not make it 1789hen, to commemorate Bastille Day?

I agree -- good UNIBOMBER88 post!

[89Hen]

I'm shocked that all you Johnson guys agree. That's really odd.


#1... we agree
#2... you think Johnson can win?????
#3... this is where we disagree
#4... the debates are before the election, we were talking about VOTING for Johnson, not polling for him
#5... redundant with #2

[Chizzang]

Watching Republicans talk about the core conservative voter is hilarious (Thank you)



Smug prick - Out !

[Grizalltheway]

89, your reasoning to not support for Johnson makes sense and I have no problem with it. But you seem to think that people should only support the candidate who most aligns with their "platform" and IMO this is myopic and condescending. There are a number of legitimate reasons that someone could support Johnson:
1) His platform most aligns with theirs.
2) They think Hillary is a liar and a crook and that Trump is a crazy egomaniac and they're scared to death of either winning the election.
3) They're sick of both parties and live in a strong red or blue state and believe that their vote for Hillary or Trump will make less of a difference than a protest vote for Johnson.
4) They're sick of both parties and want to see Johnson get above 15% so he is included in the debates.
5) While their platform might most closely align with Trump's they don't trust him or his commitment to his published platform enough to support him.

I'm sure there are some that I've missed and while you might not agree with them, some might so none of them is a "wasted" vote.

1) Yes
2) Double Yes.
3) Triple Yes (Trump will win SC. So why add 1 more vote to the popular vote tally?)
4) Yes....diversity in the elections!
5) I think Trump and or CLinton will be 1 term presidents.

Don't you live in NC now?

[Ibanez]

1) Yes
2) Double Yes.
3) Triple Yes (Trump will win SC. So why add 1 more vote to the popular vote tally?)
4) Yes....diversity in the elections!
5) I think Trump and or CLinton will be 1 term presidents.

Don't you live in NC now?

I live in Fort Mill, right near the cross roads of 21 and 160. Once we learned how high the taxes would be and how bad the school system is, we decided to stay in SC. Also, homes in SC are more affordable.

[Grizalltheway]

Got it. I'll update my notes shortly.